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Because Tau.

 BrookM wrote:
Surprisingly, the rules do not have the "experimental" tag, so it's prolly going to stay like that.

I saw that too. I wonder if the Frontline guys are going to allow it


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I wonder which is will be better in play, the concentrated bombardment or the pattern bombardment Both are really quite boom-boom.

So I'm unfamiliar with Titan rules. How does this tack up against those? Primarily the Warhound since it seems like it could put some hurt on it.

I think I need more centurions.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I think I need more centurions.

Thats like the 40k statement of "We're gonna need a bigger boat..."

Wasn't one of the original design concepts for the Tau way back when they were created that they were a rapid reaction force with lots of aircraft, fast transports, and NO TITANS?

 jonolikespie wrote:
Wasn't one of the original design concepts for the Tau way back when they were created that they were a rapid reaction force with lots of aircraft, fast transports, and NO TITANS?

Things change in 10-15 years.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
Wasn't one of the original design concepts for the Tau way back when they were created that they were a rapid reaction force with lots of aircraft, fast transports, and NO TITANS?

Things change in 10-15 years.

I think that's the most important part of the Tau way to warfare - if something proves them wrong, they change their approach, unlike anyone else in the goddamn galaxy. "The enemy insist on bullrushing us with big honkin' suits? Well, if that's how we're playing, let's beat them on their own turf."

Yes, but $$$...
Wasn't the Riptide the "pinnacle of technology" etc, and his creator frowned upon ?
The response to Titan/gargants ?
Seriously, the scale of 40k is becoming ridiculous...
But to be on topic, it seems to be way more resistant than shooty.

 Gamgee wrote:
So I'm unfamiliar with Titan rules. How does this tack up against those? Primarily the Warhound since it seems like it could put some hurt on it.

I'd say it'd have some problems against the Warhound if the Warhound is kitted up for Superheavy Hunting with 2x Turbolasers firing off 4 D shots. This configuration is also the only fair matchup considering the only other contender, the Plasma Blastgun would be unreliable at best at getting through its 10 wounds in a 6 turn average game.

The Taunar would use its Triple Barreled Ion Cannon in the Coherent Beam firing mode to knock out the Void Shields, then nail the Warhound with the Multi Driver, but it only has a 1 in 6 chance of getting that Deathblow result you want. But that might not even kill it. So chances are the Warhound will have a second turn of firing.

Though if the Taunar gets within 12" with a Fusion Eradicator Loadout I'd definitely say it would swing in the Taunars favour... but that dooooes put you awfully close to the opponents battleline.

Yes, but $$$...
Wasn't the Riptide the "pinnacle of technology" etc, and his creator frowned upon ?
The response to Titan/gargants ?
Seriously, the scale of 40k is becoming ridiculous...
But to be on topic, it seems to be way more resistant than shooty.

I think I read somewhere that the Earth Caste engineer that keeps making these massive battlesuits designs them partially to spite the Ethereals who want him to design more stealthsuits.

Although I guess the Ethereals got their stealhsuit.... a giant stealthsuit.

The rules for this Tau KX139 Ta'unar Supremacy Armour are insane!

I'm just amased that this thing was advertized as an anti-Titan machine, and instead we got a Horde-remover and light vehicle glancer with ridiculous defences.

 Shigematsu wrote:

Though if the Taunar gets within 12" with a Fusion Eradicator Loadout I'd definitely say it would swing in the Taunars favour... but that dooooes put you awfully close to the opponents battleline.

Use the pattern bombardment on their firing line. Should help.

T9 W10 2+/4++ and halves Deathblow wounds?

This thing is pretty tough...

More survivable than a Nid Heirophant for about half the points.

ahahahahaha FW. No.

 The Wise Dane wrote:
I'm just amased that this thing was advertized as an anti-Titan machine, and instead we got a Horde-remover and light vehicle glancer with ridiculous defences.

It'll rough up the Knight Classes for sure. The sheer number of multi-melta/lascannon equivalent shots it can drop will have them hurting, and thats even before they recieve the D.

 godardc wrote:
Seriously, the scale of 40k is becoming ridiculous...
But to be on topic, it seems to be way more resistant than shooty.

The scale of 40k was meant to be about this sort of thing. Vast armies fighting each other while giant beasts and what not tower overhead. I'm not sure where you're coming from here.

 Ratius wrote:

T9 W10 2+/4++ and halves Deathblow wounds?

This thing is pretty tough...

More survivable than a Nid Heirophant for about half the points.

ahahahahaha FW. No.

Don't forget the far better weapons!

What's worse is that that this thing is probably still priced fairly when compared to a Warhound. It's like they belong to a different game to Hierophants, Stompas and the Lord of Skulls.

I posted way back when this was first rumoured FW would equal/outdo the Heiro.
Look, I actually dont have a massive problem with mega units and apoc style crazy.
However the Heiro is supposed to be a literal titan killer, 1vs1 awesome, in packs unstoppable.
Then FW drop this Tau thing......

More Nid love pluuuureeze.

 The Wise Dane wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
Wasn't one of the original design concepts for the Tau way back when they were created that they were a rapid reaction force with lots of aircraft, fast transports, and NO TITANS?

Things change in 10-15 years.

I think that's the most important part of the Tau way to warfare - if something proves them wrong, they change their approach, unlike anyone else in the goddamn galaxy. "The enemy insist on bullrushing us with big honkin' suits? Well, if that's how we're playing, let's beat them on their own turf."

Yeah, they're much more adaptable than the other forces (except Nids). Of course, there's the possibility they built it simply to show the imperium they could make better Titans.

How about crons get a useful LOW instead to T-Vault that cost 500 points with lol random powers so it actually sees the table... ever..

Same goes for all other codexes that dosen't have access to any decent LOW to answer all the latest ones coming out...

I was just about to ask a really dumb question, does a destroyer hit take the invulnerable save out of action even if it isn't saved, then remembered that you don't get an invulnerable save.

Grey knight paladins with daemon hammers for 5+ wounds and force in close combat and grav centurions to strip wounds maybe?

Christ, maybe assault centurions as well. Can't instant death them in close combat, and 3+ wounding in close combat with a decent amount of attacks that ignore the save, leaving it only with the 5+ inv, which may be knocked out due to a destroyer weapon.

It should really be initiative 1 though, to at least make it vulnerable to attacks in close combat, I was thinking a large death company with about 5 thunder hammers and furious charge also, but the fact it can instant death them and ignore the FNP along with striking before them is a concern.

Lastly, multiple knights will just get taken apart by this is seems.

So powerful. Multiple stern guard with grav and grav combi alpha strike as well maybe?

Christ, just so so so many wounds to deal with, you really need a few D weapons to try and get a good chance of knocking out its INV save for a turn and then hoping you can manoeuvre a grav alpha strike on it.




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Also, isn't the riptide frowned upon not because it is a big unit, but because of the nova reactor potentially killing it's own pilot.



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Posted in the other thread. So who's going to math hammer 3 of these things against a warlord?

I reckon with their durability plus weapons for stripping void shield before firing the D, a warlord is in trouble.

If a Knight can get into melee with it though, it can nicely cut it to shreds over a turn or two, it can't run away with Hit and Run, unlike its smaller cowardly brethren.

That thing can pump out so much fire power though, I don't think a knight will make it, I don't think two knights could make it.

Knights still have an Ion Shield going, which should take care of some of the incoming fire quite nicely.

But in all honesty, chances of one of these showing up around here are non-existent, instead I get to contend with three Riptides.

Just like Knights seem to be appearing on every IOM army, I suspect this new toy will be in every Tau army (600 points is pretty good for what you get). I wonder, though, how many people will just convert up a Riptide instead of buying the FW model.

And this monster makes my little Thanatar cry.

This thing is way larger than a Riptide, so using single Riptide to convert this thing is a no-no

Don't worry Ork players, you have your answer in your trusty Rokkit Launchas. Buy some 30-boy mobs, fill them with rokkit launchas!

You'll only need 38,000 points or so of them to kill it.

Seriously though, the thing looks rather fair compared to other titans. Broken in normal games of course, but that is to be expected.

It looks OP next to tyranid gargantuans because tyranid gargantuans suck.

FW should start using the 'next base size up' for these sort of things too.

 Alpharius wrote:
FW should start using the 'next base size up' for these sort of things too.

They'll need to make one then! This is on the biggest round base they do.

Exactly!

And I'll admit - I liked it a LOT better when 40K and APOCALYPSE were two separate things...