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**angelofvengeance**

Anyone think that the World Eater leviathan dread looks a bit too clean for something with gore-slicked siege claws?

**Theophony**

I always thought those siege drills would look excellent as siege flails if there would be chains connecting the fingers to the round drill tips. Just imagine a giant robot striding forward with energy dripping off of flails in its hands. The leviathan size might be the correct size for the mod if i ever got the money together to build a 30K force.

**Nevelon**

Theophony wrote:
I always thought those siege drills would look excellent as siege flails if there would be chains connecting the fingers to the round drill tips. Just imagine a giant robot striding forward with energy dripping off of flails in its hands. The leviathan size might be the correct size for the mod if i ever got the money together to build a 30K force.

For a chaos conversion, that would be awesome. I think it’s a little far from what would be sensible/practical/possible for a loyalist.

Can the traitors still take those scourge/whip things on their dreads? If so, that would be those, writ large.

**bubber**

Yes they can still take the whip things.

I love the new Lev Dread. Spent way too much over the last few weeks though (found the 'Oldhammer' page on FB :( ).
Will have to wait for the new year as it's too expensive to put on my Xmas list!!

**Commander Cain**

aka_mythos wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:
I'm just waiting until we see the Cortus Dreadnought.

What's that?
Publicly it was mentioned at the most recent open day at the FW presentation. It is a "scrappy" dreadnought, smaller and more close combat oriented and will show up in the next big book.

The Rumor: I've only seen one person say this but on an another forum, from someone who claims to have spoken with one of the designers at the event, is that It's supposed to be predominantly Ravenguard and is effectively a dreadnought designed for orbital drop without a drop pod, with some degree of jump pack use.

Speculatively: it sounds like it jumps out of thunderhawks or stormravens from high altitude and lands by means of that jump pack as it seems like a big departure for it to be a true drop-pod-less drop. This seems to be a throwback to the original Rogue Trader dreadnought rules that allowed a jump pack on dreadnoughts.

While I love the Leviathan, the Cortus sounds awesome! Dreads jump packing everywhere would be terrifying...

**Kirasu**

More expensive than a wraithknight.. I dont understand how they can believe that any dread is worth 285 pts base? It should be priced at 160.

**Olgerth Istaarn**

This dreadnought looks like a centurion suit for a contemptor.

Just horrible. First the boat on legs (deredeo), now this. FW should have just stopped with the contemptor. At least you can field them next to standard dreads and it still looks fine. Now the standard dreads are completely out-sized by this walking suitcase.

**Bulldogging**

Kirasu wrote:
More expensive than a wraithknight.. I dont understand how they can believe that any dread is worth 285 pts base? It should be priced at 160.

I don't know if i agree with 160, but 285 is ridiculous. It's not even a superheavy.

Slow, expensive, can be 1 shot by an non-D weapon.

Add a pod to get him into range for..well anything, and ceramite in the hopes 1 marine/tau/etc with a melta doesn't have it as easy to pop him, and you might as well just get an Imperial Knight.

Confusing.

Maybe he is good for 30k, I honestly don't know.

I think he'd be ok if he was a superheavy with those stats at 285 though.

**Yaraton**

I think FW is targeting more of the collectors niche than gamers with their Dreadnoughts.

**Tactical_Spam**

Bulldogging wrote:
Kirasu wrote:
More expensive than a wraithknight.. I dont understand how they can believe that any dread is worth 285 pts base? It should be priced at 160.

I don't know if i agree with 160, but 285 is ridiculous. It's not even a superheavy.

Slow, expensive, can be 1 shot by an non-D weapon.

Add a pod to get him into range for..well anything, and ceramite in the hopes 1 marine/tau/etc with a melta doesn't have it as easy to pop him, and you might as well just get an Imperial Knight.

Confusing.

Maybe he is good for 30k, I honestly don't know.

I think he'd be ok if he was a superheavy with those stats at 285 though.

In 30k this guy is a vertitable

train. Those Grav-flux bombards annihilate any infantry in the open and are the bane of vehicles with 3 hp and he can 1 turn kill a Mhara gul Derpnaught.

**Formosa**

13/13/12 with 3 hp, 4++ all the time, thats pretty boss, his weapons are very very nasty and will bypass EW most of the time due to multiple wounds, this means it can reliably take on almost any MC or even GMC, if it survives being hit, it will likely kill a wraithknight, not that likely but it can happen lol.

**krazynadechukr**

Can you use these new dreads in the Calth game?

**BrookM**

krazynadechukr wrote:
Can you use these new dreads in the Calth game?

No. Just the models supplied. You can have it count as a regular Contemptor, but other than that, no.

**shade1313**

Tactical_Spam wrote:
Bulldogging wrote:
Kirasu wrote:
More expensive than a wraithknight.. I dont understand how they can believe that any dread is worth 285 pts base? It should be priced at 160.

I don't know if i agree with 160, but 285 is ridiculous. It's not even a superheavy.

Slow, expensive, can be 1 shot by an non-D weapon.

Add a pod to get him into range for..well anything, and ceramite in the hopes 1 marine/tau/etc with a melta doesn't have it as easy to pop him, and you might as well just get an Imperial Knight.

Confusing.

Maybe he is good for 30k, I honestly don't know.

I think he'd be ok if he was a superheavy with those stats at 285 though.

In 30k this guy is a vertitable train. Those Grav-flux bombards annihilate any infantry in the open and are the bane of vehicles with 3 hp and he can 1 turn kill a Mhara gul Derpnaught.

What do you mean "in the open"? It allows no cover saves. Those things will be downright brutal on infantry who don't have invulnerable saves, and pretty hard on even those that do.

**Bulldogging**

Formosa wrote:
13/13/12 with 3 hp, 4++ all the time, thats pretty boss, his weapons are very very nasty and will bypass EW most of the time due to multiple wounds, this means it can reliably take on almost any MC or even GMC, if it survives being hit, it will likely kill a wraithknight, not that likely but it can happen lol.

If he gets the charge he has I5, which means he can kill the WK at the same time, in theory.

If he gets the charge he can kill an imperial knight before the knight even swings.

He has good "pieces" but his "whole" isn't good for the points, he really needed 12 inch movement.

A 6 inch movement vehicle doesn't do much against current shooting.

**Slayer-Fan123**

In the 40k rules he can take a Drop Pod. That helps a little with movement, but it's further investment.

**combat engineer**

Like it.

**Tactical_Spam**

Formosa wrote:
13/13/12 with 3 hp, 4++ all the time, thats pretty boss, his weapons are very very nasty and will bypass EW most of the time due to multiple wounds, this means it can reliably take on almost any MC or even GMC, if it survives being hit, it will likely kill a wraithknight, not that likely but it can happen lol.

4 hull points. If he's gonna cost as much as a land raider, he better be as tough

**Slayer-Fan123**

He's actually tougher than a Land Raider. 4++ > AV14

Remember, the rules ARE experimental and the design team actually listens to its customers. I sent an email talking about how they need CT and the 4 attacks base instead of losing them for each range weapon added, for example. Tell them what you think they need. Telling us only generates discussion, not results.

**Tactical_Spam**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
He's actually tougher than a Land Raider. 4++ > AV14

Remember, the rules ARE experimental and the design team actually listens to its customers. I sent an email talking about how they need CT and the 4 attacks base instead of losing them for each range weapon added, for example. Tell them what you think they need. Telling us only generates discussion, not results.

I would crank up the cost to 310 base and give him Enchanced Ferrmantic Rites or change his front and side armour to 14. I'd also give him the ability to take a demolisher cannon but that'd be crazy

**Bulldogging**

Actually for 40k, if he could run and still shoot and assault I'd like him.

He wouldn't be as fast as a superheavy on average.

I thought these were official rules BTW, It looks like the experimental tag is gone.

**Formosa**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
He's actually tougher than a Land Raider. 4++ > AV14

Remember, the rules ARE experimental and the design team actually listens to its customers. I sent an email talking about how they need CT and the 4 attacks base instead of losing them for each range weapon added, for example. Tell them what you think they need. Telling us only generates discussion, not results.

I disagree with chapter tactics but I'm heavily biased, as my ones would not affect it at all, bs2 overwatch... Meh, white scars hit and run is nice but that's about it.

Didn't realize it had 4 hp, even better lol, and I agree, 4 attacks base like all other dreads, contemptor should too, I'd also like them to make a list of Legion rules that affect dreads too, as chapter ones get it now, so should Legion, again biased, rage for my dreads would be ace.

**Tactical_Spam**

Formosa wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
He's actually tougher than a Land Raider. 4++ > AV14

Remember, the rules ARE experimental and the design team actually listens to its customers. I sent an email talking about how they need CT and the 4 attacks base instead of losing them for each range weapon added, for example. Tell them what you think they need. Telling us only generates discussion, not results.

I disagree with chapter tactics but I'm heavily biased, as my ones would not affect it at all, bs2 overwatch... Meh, white scars hit and run is nice but that's about it.

Didn't realize it had 4 hp, even better lol, and I agree, 4 attacks base like all other dreads, contemptor should too, I'd also like them to make a list of Legion rules that affect dreads too, as chapter ones get it now, so should Legion, again biased, rage for my dreads would be ace.

Alpha Legion dreads be like "I can infiltrate, have tank hunter, counter attack...

**Slayer-Fan123**

Formosa wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
He's actually tougher than a Land Raider. 4++ > AV14

Remember, the rules ARE experimental and the design team actually listens to its customers. I sent an email talking about how they need CT and the 4 attacks base instead of losing them for each range weapon added, for example. Tell them what you think they need. Telling us only generates discussion, not results.

I disagree with chapter tactics but I'm heavily biased, as my ones would not affect it at all, bs2 overwatch... Meh, white scars hit and run is nice but that's about it.

Didn't realize it had 4 hp, even better lol, and I agree, 4 attacks base like all other dreads, contemptor should too, I'd also like them to make a list of Legion rules that affect dreads too, as chapter ones get it now, so should Legion, again biased, rage for my dreads would be ace.

From a balance standpoint, CT helps Dreads a lot. Not all of them do stuff. But the ones that do include White Scars, Ultramarines, Iron Hands, Black Templars, Carcharodons, Red Hunters, Minotaurs, and Star Phantoms. Dark Angels and Space Wolves benefit a little too.

BS2 Overwatch isn't bad. Combine with the two Heavy Flamers and the average two hits from the Cannon and a lot of what's charging is hurt.

The possibilities of what it could do makes me giddy.

**Tactical_Spam**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Formosa wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
He's actually tougher than a Land Raider. 4++ > AV14

Remember, the rules ARE experimental and the design team actually listens to its customers. I sent an email talking about how they need CT and the 4 attacks base instead of losing them for each range weapon added, for example. Tell them what you think they need. Telling us only generates discussion, not results.

I disagree with chapter tactics but I'm heavily biased, as my ones would not affect it at all, bs2 overwatch... Meh, white scars hit and run is nice but that's about it.

Didn't realize it had 4 hp, even better lol, and I agree, 4 attacks base like all other dreads, contemptor should too, I'd also like them to make a list of Legion rules that affect dreads too, as chapter ones get it now, so should Legion, again biased, rage for my dreads would be ace.

From a balance standpoint, CT helps Dreads a lot. Not all of them do stuff. But the ones that do include White Scars, Ultramarines, Iron Hands, Black Templars, Carcharodons, Red Hunters, Minotaurs, and Star Phantoms. Dark Angels and Space Wolves benefit a little too.

BS2 Overwatch isn't bad. Combine with the two Heavy Flamers and the average two hits from the Cannon and a lot of what's charging is hurt.

The possibilities of what it could do makes me giddy.

Vehicles can't overwatch...

**Slayer-Fan123**

I thought Walkers could.

**Tactical_Spam**

I dont think so, but Id go find a rule book to make sure

**Bulldogging**

Walkers can definitely overwatch.

**Formosa**

Yep, walkers specifically can overwatch, and super heavy walkers specifically cannot... Normally.

**Tactical_Spam**

Lol, Dark Angels dreadnaught fire at BS4 for overwatch then...

The local TFG at our LFGS didn't know they could do that so he never ran dreads