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**Slayer-Fan123**

Formosa wrote:
Yep, walkers specifically can overwatch, and super heavy walkers specifically cannot... Normally.

Well, there you go. Theoretically, a Dark Angels Leviathan with Grim Resolve would land 4 S5 AP4 and 2 S7 AP3 and .33 S8 AP1 hits. That takes care of a lot of things.

**Tactical_Spam**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Formosa wrote:
Yep, walkers specifically can overwatch, and super heavy walkers specifically cannot... Normally.

Well, there you go. Theoretically, a Dark Angels Leviathan with Grim Resolve would land 4 S5 AP4 and 2 S7 AP3 and .33 S8 AP1 hits. That takes care of a lot of things.

If your Leviathan is getting charged, you aren't playing him right

but if he is, id hope youd double up on his storm cannons and teach the enemy a lesson

**GAdvance**

What on earth would even want to charge a leviathan, those claws will pretty most things big apart and tarpitting him will be hard if he's just taken one cannon he'll blast you in overwatch

He needs to lose like 60 points though, i'd totally play him then

**Tactical_Spam**

GAdvance wrote:
What on earth would even want to charge a leviathan, those claws will pretty most things big apart and tarpitting him will be hard if he's just taken one cannon he'll blast you in overwatch

He needs to lose like 60 points though, i'd totally play him then

a huge blob of orks, gaunts or conscripts. The leviathan's weakness is long range and being tarpitted (but you'll have to try super damn hard to do this)

**Formosa**

I'm gonna take 2 for primarch hunting, this thing is built to kill big creatures, super heavies and primarchs, it also minces units, for its price tag as an all round unit I think it's worth it, gonna proxy a couple and test it Monday.

**Tactical_Spam**

Formosa wrote:
I'm gonna take 2 for primarch hunting, this thing is built to kill big creatures, super heavies and primarchs, it also minces units, for its price tag as an all round unit I think it's worth it, gonna proxy a couple and test it Monday.

dont run one against Perturabo with "After Istavaan"

S10 Ap2 with Tank Hunter and Wrecker will put pain on this guy

**Formosa**

4 attacks, 2/3 hit, likely pen with 2 ish, will likely save 1, could kill me but 2 engaging peturabo will probably wound him enough for angry Ron to take down, obviously this is just off the top of My head, math hammer might prove me wrong, also can't remember it petty has 4/5 attacks lol

**GAdvance**

if the leviathan get's a charge it's likely to be an exceedingly close fight, he'll likely do 2-4 wounds a turn. Two of them AND Angron is excessive, 2 will do the job, the big test is going to be how you actually get them over their, seems like walking it is underwhelming

**Tactical_Spam**

GAdvance wrote:
if the leviathan get's a charge it's likely to be an exceedingly close fight, he'll likely do 2-4 wounds a turn. Two of them AND Angron is excessive, 2 will do the job, the big test is going to be how you actually get them over their, seems like walking it is underwhelming

What are you trying to kill with 2 Leviathans and Angron?

Titans got you down?

**GAdvance**

guy was talking about using them to deal with perturabo, i just did some quick math is all, i'm not in for titanhammer... not my cuppa personally

**Tactical_Spam**

GAdvance wrote:
guy was talking about using them to deal with perturabo, i just did some quick math is all, i'm not in for titanhammer... not my cuppa personally

2 Leviathans should kill him if we are in a vacuum

**Zuul**

I imagine half the time if somebody is trying to charge a leviathan they'll be doing it through a wall of phosphex template dangerous terrain.

**Tactical_Spam**

Zuul wrote:
I imagine half the time if somebody is trying to charge a leviathan they'll be doing it through a wall of phosphex template dangerous terrain.

Half the time, you already got tabled, said "YOLO!" and charged the "I Can't Believe it's not a Land Raider"

And you only get Phosphor dischargers in 30k. In 40k, you get hunter killers. Just when you needed 3 infinite range missiles

**Vash108**

aka_mythos wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:
I'm just waiting until we see the Cortus Dreadnought.

What's that?
Publicly it was mentioned at the most recent open day at the FW presentation. It is a "scrappy" dreadnought, smaller and more close combat oriented and will show up in the next big book.

The Rumor: I've only seen one person say this but on an another forum, from someone who claims to have spoken with one of the designers at the event, is that It's suppose to be predominantly Ravenguard and is effectively a dreadnought designed for orbital drop without a drop pod, with some degree of jump pack use.

Speculatively: it sounds like it jumps out of thunderhawks or stormravens from high altitude and lands by means of that jump pack as it seems like a big departure for it to be a true drop-pod-less drop. This seems to be a throwback to the original Rogue Trader dreadnought rules that allowed a jump pack on dreadnoughts.

A Jump walker? Very interesting to think about to say the least. Do you thunk it would get lower Armor that a regular dread to lighten it up for jump pack use?

**Tactical_Spam**

At this point, FW will say screw it and not give it down sides

**Temujin**

Tactical_Spam wrote:
Those Grav-flux bombards annihilate any infantry in the open and are the bane of vehicles with 3 hp and he can 1 turn kill a Mhara gul Derpnaught.

The grav bombard is strong against infantry, but terrible against vehicles. It only has 3D6 to penetrate, which averages 10.5, so you'll rarely get to make any use of the double hull point rule. Two times zero is still zero. They'll be the bane of Rhinos... half the time. And an expensive joke the other half.

The storm cannon has the same average roll of 10.5, but it gets 6 shots, +33% range, rerolls to penetrate, and half the points cost.

**Januine**

yup............and looks AWESOME!!!

**Tactical_Spam**

Temujin wrote:
Tactical_Spam wrote:
Those Grav-flux bombards annihilate any infantry in the open and are the bane of vehicles with 3 hp and he can 1 turn kill a Mhara gul Derpnaught.

The grav bombard is strong against infantry, but terrible against vehicles. It only has 3D6 to penetrate, which averages 10.5, so you'll rarely get to make any use of the double hull point rule. Two times zero is still zero. They'll be the bane of Rhinos... half the time. And an expensive joke the other half.

The storm cannon has the same average roll of 10.5, but it gets 6 shots, +33% range, rerolls to penetrate, and half the points cost.

a big upside is that the bombard inflicts 2 hp, not one

**DarthDiggler**

I suspect this thing will be great against Eldar Jetbike spam with Wraithknight. The Wraithknight has about a 27% chance to get a destroyer weapon shot though to do damage and all the scat bikes can't hurt this thing. I'm giving it the storm cannon and claws so it can take down armor 12 or less at 24" and threaten multi wound creatures even with eternal warrior.

I think the ability to get around eternal warrior makes this thing highly unique. Yes it should be about 50-60pts cheaper. That would put it in line with what its abilities are, but there is no doubting it is a threat to some seriously competitive units out there.

**rtb02**

I ran mine in a 7 player game yesterday. I want more! Ran with siege drill and claw and no looking back for me. The 4++ made it super survivable and it shrugged off two turns of being shot with no hull points lost. Dakka stompa couldn't scratch it

**BrotherGecko**

I really wish that FW would do some actual breaching units. Is it too much to ask to get either a whirlwind or vindicator variant with some MICLIC tubs?

I like the leviathan but it doesn't really say siege to me. Maybe it should just be leviathan class dreadnought. Outside of fist mounted melta it really doesn't have siege weapons.

**bubber**

So 2x melta shots before charging in with 5 strength 10 attacks at I5 isn't going to feth up any building!
I'd happily run that against any fortified position esp with the front armour 14, 4HP & a 4+ invun.

**Lockark**

bubber wrote:
So 2x melta shots before charging in with 5 strength 10 attacks at I5 isn't going to feth up any building!
I'd happily run that against any fortified position esp with the front armour 14, 4HP & a 4+ invun.

I think what he means is that punching a building to death is a bit meta... well rule wise he can do it, it doesn't mean it makes sense.

Something a bit more... reasonable would be nice.

**Bulldogging**

bubber wrote:
So 2x melta shots before charging in with 5 strength 10 attacks at I5 isn't going to feth up any building!
I'd happily run that against any fortified position esp with the front armour 14, 4HP & a 4+ invun.

Just a quick correction, hes only AV 13. Which is significant because it means a melta gun can pen him even with ceramite, and has a 50% chance to immobilize or outright kill it in one hit.

**rtb02**

Bulldogging wrote:
bubber wrote:
So 2x melta shots before charging in with 5 strength 10 attacks at I5 isn't going to feth up any building!
I'd happily run that against any fortified position esp with the front armour 14, 4HP & a 4+ invun.

Just a quick correction, hes only AV 13. Which is significant because it means a melta gun can pen him even with ceramite, and has a 50% chance to immobilize or outright kill it in one hit.

But first you have a 1/3 chance of missing and only a 17% chance of a pen which then has a 50% chance of pinging off its shields. If you get into short range and haven't been smashed to death first I'd be amazed especially as it doesn't tend to run around without friends which your theory hammer fails to take into account...

Like I said before I was shot at by 6 deff koptas twice, deth kannon from stompa twice, 2 lots of 3d6 s9 shots from gun batteries from the stompa yesterday and I took not a single hull point of damage. Screw the maths!

**Bulldogging**

rtb02 wrote:
Bulldogging wrote:
bubber wrote:
So 2x melta shots before charging in with 5 strength 10 attacks at I5 isn't going to feth up any building!
I'd happily run that against any fortified position esp with the front armour 14, 4HP & a 4+ invun.

Just a quick correction, hes only AV 13. Which is significant because it means a melta gun can pen him even with ceramite, and has a 50% chance to immobilize or outright kill it in one hit.

But first you have a 1/3 chance of missing and only a 17% chance of a pen which then has a 50% chance of pinging off its shields. If you get into short range and haven't been smashed to death first I'd be amazed especially as it doesn't tend to run around without friends which your theory hammer fails to take into account...

Like I said before I was shot at by 6 deff koptas twice, deth kannon from stompa twice, 2 lots of 3d6 s9 shots from gun batteries from the stompa yesterday and I took not a single hull point of damage. Screw the maths!

I'm sure it did fine in your game. Three weeks ago I had a base Dreadnought(AV 12, SW version so only 2 attacks) kill an entire missileside team, and a riptide(made it into assault and made each flee). He survived the entire game and only lost 1 HP. I won't for a second say that is the norm for a base Dread though.

Of course he will have friends to protect him, just like the other team isn't shooting him with a single melta gun at BS4. I was just stating his weakness, which is significant since he's 1) slow and 2) VERY expensive, 305 with just ceramite.

I think the model looks amazing, my favorite looking dread.

**Tactical_Spam**

BrotherGecko wrote:
I really wish that FW would do some actual breaching units. Is it too much to ask to get either a whirlwind or vindicator variant with some MICLIC tubs?

I like the leviathan but it doesn't really say siege to me. Maybe it should just be leviathan class dreadnought. Outside of fist mounted melta it really doesn't have siege weapons.

The "Siege" really only makes sense in 30k

**Kirasu**

Tactical_Spam wrote:
At this point, FW will say screw it and not give it down sides

Uh it's downside is that it costs an insane amount of points compared to better units.

**Yaraton**

Lockark wrote:

I think what he means is that punching a building to death is a bit meta... well rule wise he can do it, it doesn't mean it makes sense.

Something a bit more... reasonable would be nice.

Isn't what Legion Vindicators, Medusas and Basilisks are for?

**BrotherGecko**

Yaraton wrote:
Lockark wrote:

I think what he means is that punching a building to death is a bit meta... well rule wise he can do it, it doesn't mean it makes sense.

Something a bit more... reasonable would be nice.

Isn't what Legion Vindicators, Medusas and Basilisks are for?

That is what they do but isn't my point. The leviathan siege dreadnought has nothing that says siege other than a silly drill arm and/or melta guns. Which melta doesn't say seige either, its just a repurposed cutting tool.

The dread lacks all the tools to get to the defensive obstacle.

I was wishing that FW would create all the cool stuff that comes with seige warfare (modern versions). Like lane/obstacle clearing weapons (MICLICs, MOPPEMs..etc.) Actual breaching squads instead dudes with shields (which look awesome either way).

The vindicater is only one that is an actual seige breaker or fortification breacher.

I want a dayum ABV.