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 BrotherGecko wrote:


I want a dayum ABV.

Considering that Astartes have almost nothing when it comes to logistical/medical equipment/vehicles except for the Thunderhawk Transporter (which is also no longer available from FW) or any Techmarine specialized repair equipment/vehicles I think you are asking way too much.

Typhon?


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 Yaraton wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:


I want a dayum ABV.

Considering that Astartes have almost nothing when it comes to logistical/medical equipment/vehicles except for the Thunderhawk Transporter (which is also no longer available from FW) or any Techmarine specialized repair equipment/vehicles I think you are asking way too much.

Haha, I'm aware that it is a lot to ask. I just want to build a Iron Warrior breaching element capable of actual breaching lol.

You bring up a funny point though, Guilliman is supposed to be a master at logistics yet looks like a civilian taking a stab at what a military force would look like....

 Yaraton wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:


I want a dayum ABV.

Considering that Astartes have almost nothing when it comes to logistical/medical equipment/vehicles except for the Thunderhawk Transporter (which is also no longer available from FW) or any Techmarine specialized repair equipment/vehicles I think you are asking way too much.

Yeah if FW wants to make the Astartes seem more workable IRL they need to add a few variants:

-Rhino armored recovery vehicle
-Rhino apothecary ambulance
-Rhino engineering vehicle
-Land Raider ARV/Engineering for those super-heavy tanks

would be a good start. Simply releasing the kits to add onto a standard Rhino would be the simplest method, ala Chaos Rhino

 Yaraton wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:


I want a dayum ABV.

Considering that Astartes have almost nothing when it comes to logistical/medical equipment/vehicles except for the Thunderhawk Transporter (which is also no longer available from FW) or any Techmarine specialized repair equipment/vehicles I think you are asking way too much.

Wow, that's gone too? Seems like they're really slashing down their catalogue. I've noticed the medusa (original), vanheim basilisk, barracuda and aquila lander are gone now too.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:


I want a dayum ABV.

Considering that Astartes have almost nothing when it comes to logistical/medical equipment/vehicles except for the Thunderhawk Transporter (which is also no longer available from FW) or any Techmarine specialized repair equipment/vehicles I think you are asking way too much.

Haha, I'm aware that it is a lot to ask. I just want to build a Iron Warrior breaching element capable of actual breaching lol.

You bring up a funny point though, Guilliman is supposed to be a master at logistics yet looks like a civilian taking a stab at what a military force would look like....

Probably because the whole universe was created and written by civilians taking a stab at what a military force would look like.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Probably because the whole universe was created and written by civilians taking a stab at what a military force would look like.

Or because GW/FW know that non-combat support vehicles that rarely, if ever, see battlefield use are not going to sell well. Give FW some credit here, IA1 has fluff for IG support vehicles (cargo transports, a towing/recovery vehicle, etc) and the example regimental FOC includes those support elements. I'm pretty sure they understand that the logistics side of war exists, it's just something that mostly happens "off-camera".

 Peregrine wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Probably because the whole universe was created and written by civilians taking a stab at what a military force would look like.

Or because GW/FW know that non-combat support vehicles that rarely, if ever, see battlefield use are not going to sell well. Give FW some credit here, IA1 has fluff for IG support vehicles (cargo transports, a towing/recovery vehicle, etc) and the example regimental FOC includes those support elements. I'm pretty sure they understand that the logistics side of war exists, it's just something that mostly happens "off-camera".

And that too. I didn't mean it in a derogatory manner, just that the people who made the games are civilians so it's not going to be a perfect war simulation.

 Zuul wrote:
Wow, that's gone too? Seems like they're really slashing down their catalogue. I've noticed the medusa (original), vanheim basilisk, barracuda and aquila lander are gone now too.

If I am not mistaken, that Aquila Lander has been gone for two years now. There is a lot stuff missing but also the new things added.

BrotherGecko wrote:I really wish that FW would do some actual breaching units. Is it too much to ask to get either a whirlwind or vindicator variant with some MICLIC tubs?

I like the leviathan but it doesn't really say siege to me. Maybe it should just be leviathan class dreadnought. Outside of fist mounted melta it really doesn't have siege weapons.

To be fair, it also has the flamers (a weapon type heavily used in taking fortifications in WWII) and the Grav bombard is excellent at removing infantry from a defensive position with Ignores cover!

BrotherGecko wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

I think what he means is that punching a building to death is a bit meta... well rule wise he can do it, it doesn't mean it makes sense.

Something a bit more... reasonable would be nice.

Isn't what Legion Vindicators, Medusas and Basilisks are for?

That is what they do but isn't my point. The leviathan siege dreadnought has nothing that says siege other than a silly drill arm and/or melta guns. Which melta doesn't say seige either, its just a repurposed cutting tool.

The dread lacks all the tools to get to the defensive obstacle.

I was wishing that FW would create all the cool stuff that comes with seige warfare (modern versions). Like lane/obstacle clearing weapons (MICLICs, MOPPEMs..etc.) Actual breaching squads instead dudes with shields (which look awesome either way).

The vindicater is only one that is an actual seige breaker or fortification breacher.

I want a dayum ABV.

A proper AVRE would be awesome, I've considered making an IG army based on Hobbart's funnies in WWII. Would be fairly easy to represent with the IG tanks too. If Space Marine vehicles had access to the IG mine plough, that would go some way to making them more like combat engineer vehicles. At the moment, most Space Marine siege stuff is either heavy artillery or intended to kick the door down and/or burn the occupants alive within their bunker. I'm not quite sure how devices like explosive mine-clearing lines would translate into rules though, all barricades, obstacles, minefields etc under a 12" beam are removed on a 4+ or something?

I think the Breacher squads are not intended for Siege warfare so much as void combat along ship corridors and through bulkheads in room-to-room clearance. They have a sort of role in leading the forlorn hope to break a line too but I think their design fits mainly with combat in very close confines. They bring their barricades with them.

I also think Melta does say siege on infantry, as it makes sense for infantry to be trying to cut their way into a building and take out the occupants, but doesn't scale up very sensibly as a vehicle siege weapon.

Harriticus wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:


I want a dayum ABV.

Considering that Astartes have almost nothing when it comes to logistical/medical equipment/vehicles except for the Thunderhawk Transporter (which is also no longer available from FW) or any Techmarine specialized repair equipment/vehicles I think you are asking way too much.

Yeah if FW wants to make the Astartes seem more workable IRL they need to add a few variants:

-Rhino armored recovery vehicle
-Rhino apothecary ambulance
-Rhino engineering vehicle
-Land Raider ARV/Engineering for those super-heavy tanks

would be a good start. Simply releasing the kits to add onto a standard Rhino would be the simplest method, ala Chaos Rhino

I feel like the Thunderhawk Transporter fills the ARV role, as it can just fly in and pick up the hulks. All Space Marine aircraft all have life support systems too to my knowledge, so they double up as ambulances as well.

When considering the logistics of Marines, I don't think they can be considered in the same way as conventional military forces in real life. For a start they operate as special forces for the majority of missions, so wouldn't take extended equipment as they are extracted after the mission. If you consider the Strike cruiser in orbit as their base of operations, any logistical supplies would all be contained on the ship, and ferried back and forth in most situations, so most Marine logistical equipment is going to be travelling to or from orbit. I am sure Marines have supply drop pods for example, to drop to troops in the field, and use aircraft to ferry anything else. In the situations where Marines are forced to fight prolonged campaigns such as defensive operations where they cannot just extract after destroying the mission target, or in situations where they do not have orbital support, they probably can still use airborne assets to supply troops and extract casualties to bases of operations.

Basically, in my mind, the Thunderhawk/Storm Eagle/Storm Raven ARE the logistical vehicles of the Space Marines, along with Drop pods, so there isn't a need for specific models. (maybe rules for a supply Drop pod, which allows re-rolls of 1's to hit for allied units in 6" and replenishes one-shot weapons would be cool).

Not exactly sure what they would do without air supremacy, but I think Rhinos can fulfil many of the same roles on the ground for infantry. I don't think they would be refitted in anyway for such a use though, as they also have life support systems built in, so every Rhino is already an ambulance. A Rhino/Land Raider Techmarine variant for armoury use would be pretty awesome though.

Peregrine wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Probably because the whole universe was created and written by civilians taking a stab at what a military force would look like.

Or because GW/FW know that non-combat support vehicles that rarely, if ever, see battlefield use are not going to sell well. Give FW some credit here, IA1 has fluff for IG support vehicles (cargo transports, a towing/recovery vehicle, etc) and the example regimental FOC includes those support elements. I'm pretty sure they understand that the logistics side of war exists, it's just something that mostly happens "off-camera".

They did used to sell all the Chimera/Trojan trailers for ammo and fuel supply, and they still sell the Trojan and the Atlas ARV to my knowledge, so the Imperial Guard do have all that represented in model form too. As well as the air-drop Valkyrie.

The Trojan and Atlas have interesting rules reflecting their roles too.

Apologies if this has been posted, I did a search and don't find it

Fella on my FB feed sharing Mastadon pics.

Edit: Oh thank you iPhone. Thank you so much. >_< Trying again.

Chunky monkey

Heresy era CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT spotted!

feth it, here: http://imgur.com/a/6OWkD

Someone download them and get them in here if they're new. I can't get my phone to play fair.

Ta for that. I see Void Shield generators atop the thing

definitely want one of those. convert it for my admech

What did the Mastodon say to the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPOTRT?

"I'm going to eat you!"

"Oh it's not that big..." then I saw the space marine beside it and realised it's on a turn table for an airbrush extractor.

Isn't that the same pic we already saw months ago from one of the FW events?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Isn't that the same pic we already saw months ago from one of the FW events?

Yeah, it is.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Isn't that the same pic we already saw months ago from one of the FW events?

I found that, but I didn't find the other four in the album.

Supposedly it's ready to roll soon.

It reminds me of the hack jobs ISIS terrorists do on their home made armour produced in local garages from bulldozers and dump trucks. From a distance it looks like they put together two different tank chassis back-to-back and welded a Thunderhawk on the top of them, adding some Ork-style weaponry stations at the end.

 Yaraton wrote:
It reminds me of the hack jobs ISIS terrorists do on their home made armour produced in local garages from bulldozers and dump trucks. From a distance it looks like they put together two different tank chassis back-to-back and welded a Thunderhawk on the top of them, adding some Ork-style weaponry stations at the end.

or this

That mastodon is awesome

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:
It reminds me of the hack jobs ISIS terrorists do on their home made armour produced in local garages from bulldozers and dump trucks. From a distance it looks like they put together two different tank chassis back-to-back and welded a Thunderhawk on the top of them, adding some Ork-style weaponry stations at the end.

or this

better yet, the Halo Elephant!

Next up, the IG verion. BRING OUT THE LEVIATHAN!

I do like the mastodon the, the maw on the thing is properly terrifying. I would not want it getting near my forces for fear of what could be inside.

IIRC, the Mastodon's purpose is to breach fortifications. The meltas in the front cut a hole for it to push it's way into. Then, not only does it unload the dudes it's carrying, but it also has doors on the rear to allow more dudes to use it as a fortified tunnel into the enemy's fortifications.

Garro will be in the next White Dwarf weekly, so he may be popping on-line soon as well.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
IIRC, the Mastodon's purpose is to breach fortifications. The meltas in the front cut a hole for it to push it's way into. Then, not only does it unload the dudes it's carrying, but it also has doors on the rear to allow more dudes to use it as a fortified tunnel into the enemy's fortifications.

So it is basically a mobile gate that can be inserted into someone else's wall Pretty awesome.

I think it looks more like the Thundercats' tank.

 Breotan wrote:
I think it looks more like the Thundercats' tank.

I think a mix of that and a Batmobile (from the 3/4 end on view).
People may not agree, but it's not exactly an issue.