Forge World News and Rumour Thread : p212 Knight Porphyrion

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**Vintersorg**

zedmeister wrote:
Excellent day, though slightly disappointed that Fires of Cyraxus and the Vulterax wasn't available. The Moritat looked stunning and is currently being tooled, so not long hopefully. The Macrocarid too was stunning. Now, onto specialist games. Managed to collar the lads and spent a good amount of time pumping them for information:

And now, Adeptus Titancius. As mentioned above, the original play test box is quite the relic and was worth a look.
- They're digging into all previous Epic games for inspiration, but it will be a new rule set.
- Expect Titans to have a plasma reactor power tracker to keep track of how much power they have.
- They'll be able to overload the reactor to boost power with a risk (Overload voids, increase speed, etc)
- Harpoons will be back but nowhere near as ridiculous as they used to be!
- Expect 2nd edition Epic orders and damage charts
- Expect 1st edition campaign and upgrade rules
- Engine war will be a bit of a slugfest, with Titans slowly blasting each other to Atoms, staggering about, weapons missing, systems burnt out, but still able to fight until you smash the legs, pulverise the MIU's or cause the reactor to go nuclear.
- Manourberability is key - the heavier the Titan, the slower they are. He described a play test where his final warlord was scragged when an enemy warhound got behind it and he didn't have enough power to overload the reactor to take more turns than they can
- Knights are objective grabbers and shield droppers, don't expect them to go toe to toe with Titans and survive
- Campaign games are the default mode of play, similar to Necromunda as he described it. With options for competitive and open play.
- Machine spirit personality will play a role. This sounded really exciting. Titans will pick up a personality the more used they are. So you could end up wth a Titan geared for close combat and have it turn into a bit of berserker which will have an effect of it becoming less controllable in battle. 'Resting' the Titan becomes an important choice to make. Yes, your Titan could end up with PTSD or worse...
- They're starting out with the three classes and Knights, all in resin
- They'll be a game box that'll contain just the rules and terrain, a Horus heresy style black book for the main rules with additional background and colour imagery and the models in resin
- As for future Titans, expect a new class between warlord and reaver as well as a Nemesis class and, he got really excited, PsiTitans (at last)! Imperator would only appear if the game proves popular
- They're now running through play testing the game with a wider player base

That's all I can recall for now.

yes.

Yess.

Yesss!!

YEEESSSS!!!!

**Warhams-77**

Thanks all for the info

**AegisGrimm**

Unfortunately it sounds like AT will be as expensive as all hell to play.

**zedmeister**

AegisGrimm wrote:
Unfortunately it sounds like AT will be as expensive as all hell to play.

It was mentioned that a typical game would be 1 warlord, 1-2 reavers and 2-3 warhounds.

**Vintersorg**

So around 150-200 pounds? More? Less?

**Buddingsquaw**

Vintersorg wrote:
So around 150-200 pounds? More? Less?

I'd imagine a box set would be around £250. It is on 8mm scale after all, but it does put Warlords as being 6" tall.
(A fair bit bigger than a Domitar)
Keeping in mind it'll all be with Resin too.

**Thanatos73**

Was there any mention of the Space Wolves or Thousand Sons lists? They've been mentioned as different than the Crusade lists the other Legions are built off, but I was wondering how different. Particularly the Space Wolves as I'd like to get started building the Legion but would hate for it to be radically different.

**nagash42**

If they want a lot of people to play it they need to make it cheaper. Oh and add slaanesh knights.

**Gamgee**

Verviedi wrote:
Oh my goodness, dat Supremacy suit. I need one.

I'm sitting on mine and I want the heavy railgun array weapon. I need to finish my tidewall but I'm so busy all of a sudden unlike usual that I have only been able to paint once a week. Meaning its going to take ages to even get started. :( I can at least look at the box and resin in the bags.

**aka_mythos**

zedmeister wrote:
AegisGrimm wrote:
Unfortunately it sounds like AT will be as expensive as all hell to play.

It was mentioned that a typical game would be 1 warlord, 1-2 reavers and 2-3 warhounds.

In previous conversations with campaign rules being the default your force will start with just a single Warlord and your force will grow as you claim victory earning the honors to command greater forces.

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Buddingsquaw wrote:
Vintersorg wrote:
So around 150-200 pounds? More? Less?

I'd imagine a box set would be around £250. It is on 8mm scale after all, but it does put Warlords as being 6" tall.
(A fair bit bigger than a Domitar)
Keeping in mind it'll all be with Resin too.

6" is the height of a 40k Knight Paladin. Being resin it's unlikely there will be a "box" but I imagine a variety of bundles. As far as cost goes I think it'll be on the cheaper side of what it could be but I expect the warlord will cost about $150, somewhere between the cost of a 40k Knight Paladin and the larger FW Knights.

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nagash42 wrote:
If they want a lot of people to play it they need to make it cheaper. Oh and add slaanesh knights.

It's set in the early 30k era so I doubt we'll see those until the timeline of this game progresses. I don't think they'll be able to do this "cheap", they already said the warlord will be resin... So even if they do the other smaller Titans in plastic you're still looking $50-60 a warhound since at this scale they're similar to dreadnoughts in size.

**GoatboyBeta**

Its a shame that we wont be seeing the new epic titans in plastic, but I can understand the business reasons for it. Hopefully it will prove popular enough to warrant more resources in the future. Recent GW releases and the rumours of what's to come have me unwilling to rule anything out at the moment.

**Breotan**

Epic is gonna be expensive as hell if it's all resin.

**aka_mythos**

I don't think they've gone so far as to say it's all resin. Just that the Warlord is resin.

Unfortunately it's probably the only thing that would gain the most being plastic or partially plastic. If a warhound or reaver were resin... Those would be dreadnought and Contemptor sized models and be relatively easy to for the average gamer to deal with.

**AegisGrimm**

Yeah, it's so stupid that it'll probably be resin like the titans, as they could easily mimic Space Marine, having the first release be a box game with two forces each being made from one set of plastic sculpts that you paint up as your favorite legion. These days even that would look amazing, with the quality of the plastic sculpts lately.

I would estimate a battle-worthy AT force to be like buying a Mechanicum all-resin knight or two, with 3-5 contemptors alongside it. The game would have to be amazing for me to get with that, unfortunately, as even after all that I'd have to find another player in my area who would want to play a FW-only game.

It'd be like the Epic flyer game, which I would be surprised if even 3-4 players in this half of the state would even have bought working forces for.

**Breotan**

If we had a basic game in plastic and the Warlord in resin, that would be okay. Hopefully that is what we'll see instead of the all resin the rumor said.

**CragHack**

ForgeWorld got it covered in their own video:

https://www.facebook.com/ForgeWorldUK/videos/1427400373943905/

**MacMuckles**

What's with all the resin hate? It's not that difficult of a material to work with

**Lockark**

MacMuckles wrote:
What's with all the resin hate? It's not that difficult of a material to work with

I think most people commenting on the prices if it's all FW resin, instead of some nice plastic sets. The fact they mentioned plastic terrian in the 8mm scale for the game, i think some plastics will be expected.

**BrookM**

Forge World mass-producing with resin isn't exactly something a lot of people familiar with the company will be keen on.

**Lockark**

BrookM wrote:
Forge World mass-producing with resin isn't exactly something a lot of people familiar with the company will be keen on.

The limited edition preator from FW sold in GW stores shows that FW dose have the capability now TBH. I think it might of been a stress test for projects like this.

**Charax**

A new class of titan between Warlord and Reaver sounds good, not sure where it would come power-wise as there's a fairly linear progression in stats between the titans

**Yodhrin**

Lockark wrote:
BrookM wrote:
Forge World mass-producing with resin isn't exactly something a lot of people familiar with the company will be keen on.

The limited edition preator from FW sold in GW stores shows that FW dose have the capability now TBH. I think it might of been a stress test for projects like this.

I don't know that a few special edition models per-store is necessarily much larger volume than they normally do for a character sculpt, they're just distributed around rather than being held centrally and sold online.

That said, they're not going to have to worry about volume all that much if they're asking what, £300-ish+shipping(assuming "price between plastic knight and Cerastus" is roughly right, say £140ish for a Warlord, plus £60-ishx2 for the Reavers, then £30-ish for a unit of three Warhounds) for your average force for one player, for an all-resin Specialist Game, and then another FW-hardback-price book on top adds another £70+shipping.

GW have been struggling to get folk to buy armies for the main, well-supported, widely-played systems in plastic for that kind of money, I doubt many will be willing and able to spend that much on a niche game with conditional future development. Oh, no doubt FW will make money, they're evidently going after the same segment of GW customers who buy entire FW Knight households or multiple Titans, but people hoping this would be a fresh start for Epic will likely end up disappointed as that segment isn't big enough to support a whole new game system on their own; I fear it will be relegated to a nice-looking curiosity that most gamers simply never see outside of pictures online from the gaming dens of the better-off, like 40K scale Warlords.

Oh well, maybe if our richer brothers & sisters each spend a small fortune us peasants will get a plastic box in four or five years :/

**MajorWesJanson**

Charax wrote:
A new class of titan between Warlord and Reaver sounds good, not sure where it would come power-wise as there's a fairly linear progression in stats between the titans

A midrange titan between the two would be easy to imagine- Say 24 hull points, 2 reaver scale arm weapons and either a pair of warhound scale carapace mounts or a reaver scale cannon on a carapace mount. Something in the 2000 point range (with the Warlords 2750 and Reaver's 1450 to compare)
Other potential loadouts could be say a pair of warlord scale guns with no carapace mount, or a warlord scale gun above with a pair of warhound scale gun arms (a ranged siege titan). Could also do a quad reaver scale weapon mount, with a default of 2 reaver arms above and 2 CCWs below but can swap the CCW arms for more guns at a point cost.

The potential of plastic epic titans could also depend on the patterns made- say resin for mars pattern pretty ones, and then plastic for the blockier but easier to break into components lucius pattern titans. The epic Lucius Warlord is still a classic, and FW has made models of the warhound and reaver in lucius before. With less curved parts and a solid blocky structure as opposed to overlapping plates and a lot of undercuts, you could probably fit an epic scale lucius reaver with gun options into a single tank sprue, an a warlord onto 2. Say 2 warhounds to a sprue. For mars pattern, you are looking at basically the plastic Knight as a warlord- 3 sprues, with a smaller proportion to the upper carapace, but more gun options.

**Padre**

Folks, sorry if it's already been mentioned, but was there any mention at all on the day of release dates for some of the new models?

cough * Porphyrion * cough

**notprop**

If their going back to the original or 2nd edition as inspiration then you are looking at Titans having hardpoints that can accommodate a number of weapon "barrels" and approximation on tonnage if you will.

Each Warhound hardpoint could accommodate 2 "barrels", the Warlords 4.

The Reaver was the midpoint in terms of mixing manoeuvrability and 3 x 4 barrel hardpoints.

I would guess a new midpoint chassis might combine Warlord survivability, reduced weapons barrels/tonnage and better manoeuvring - a sort of heavyweight flanking CC machine.

**zedmeister**

In terms of the rules, he did mention that they'd take on and adapt rules from previous editions only if they made sense and added to the tactical experience. They wouldn't add them in for the sake of it. He also mentioned that they're not afraid of a bit of complexity if, again, it made sense.

Finally, I've just recalled that they're like to sell hulls without weapons and sell the weapons separately.

Personally, I think a fully equipped Warlord will be about the same as a fully equipped Leviathan Dreadnought.

**tneva82**

Yodhrin wrote:
That said, they're not going to have to worry about volume all that much if they're asking what, £300-ish+shipping(assuming "price between plastic knight and Cerastus" is roughly right, say £140ish for a Warlord, plus £60-ishx2 for the Reavers, then £30-ish for a unit of three Warhounds) for your average force for one player, for an all-resin Specialist Game, and then another FW-hardback-price book on top adds another £70+shipping.

Hopefully that 140£ is way off...

Hard to make good epic battle with multiple titans with THAT pricing. Sigh. Remember times when idea of multiple warlords in epic wasn't once in a blue moon? With that pricing who can afford that sight...

Used to own like 15 warlords myself before...

**badgermeister**

if its too expensive people will just proxy the old range with the new rules...... I wouldnt object to it.

I am however starting to save for this. I played a little of the game when i was a kid and i loved it but was too poor to collect it. This will be my life fulfilled when it gets released

**Vorian**

Adeptus Titianicus is all Resin - except for the terrain. From the horses mouth.

Don't expect anything else because you will be disappointed.

The budget for plastic is limited, and lots of scenery is required for the game - so that's getting priority

I'm captured in the background of one of the photos on the previous page playing the titan game - in some weird half sneer, haha

**Ashiraya**

I think I'll just get an Epic scale Warlord and be happy with that.