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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/18 15:19:52
Subject: [1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
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I was inspired by another poster wanting to make Cypher & CSM work. I came up with the following:
Fallen Champions Formation
Cypher
6- Chosen w/ 4 Plasma Guns
6- Chosen w/ 4 Plasma Guns
6- Chosen w/ 4 Plasma Guns
CSM CAD
Huron
14- Cultists: auto guns, flamer
13- Cultists: auto guns, flamer
2- Heldrakes
2- Maulerfiends: magma cutters
3- Obliterators: MoN
I infiltrate the Chosen to get some Plasma going, and either Infiltrate the Maulerfiends to be scary, or use the Infiltrate to put Cultists on Objectives. I know it's CSM, so it won't win a tourney, but would it hold up in general?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/18 16:02:13
Subject: [1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Lesser Daemon of Chaos
New England
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I've been attempting to make a Cypher CSM list work too.
I like this list.
Mine is different, I use Crimson slaughter supplement, sorcerer with PoV for daemon summoning and a MoS Lord hanging with Noise Marines- good mid, decent long range ignore cover shots.
I then infiltrate 3 squads of chosen as close as possible to do damage and distract as noise marines take pot shots and sorcerer summons daemon reinforcements.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/18 16:18:31
Subject: [1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
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KhorneontheCobb wrote:I've been attempting to make a Cypher CSM list work too.
I like this list.
Mine is different, I use Crimson slaughter supplement, sorcerer with PoV for daemon summoning and a MoS Lord hanging with Noise Marines- good mid, decent long range ignore cover shots.
I then infiltrate 3 squads of chosen as close as possible to do damage and distract as noise marines take pot shots and sorcerer summons daemon reinforcements.
I like the idea of the Noise Marines as backfield fire support, I may have to steal that idea.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
OK, here's another version using some Noise Marines. However, having to take 10 Noise Marines for one Blastmaster is B.S. So I decided to go with the AP3 flamers, particularly with all the Marines running around everywhere. What are everyone's thoughts on which is better?
Fallen Champions Formation
Cypher
6- Chosen w/ 4 Plasma Guns
6- Chosen w/ 4 Plasma Guns
5- Chosen w/ 4 Plasma Guns
CSM CAD
1- Chaos Lord: Mark of Slaanesh, Burning Brand of Skalanthrax, CCW, Sigil of Corruption
5- Noise Marines: Champion with Doom Siren, Rhino w/ Dozer Blades
5- Noise Marines: Champion with Doom Siren, Rhino w/ Dozer Blades
5- Noise Marines: Champion with Doom Siren, Rhino
2- Heldrakes
2- Maulerfiends: magma cutters
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2015/08/19 03:03:59
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/19 07:50:11
Subject: [1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Dakka Veteran
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Just FYI - You cannot iniltrate maulerfiends here. It must be infantry as per Huron's Warlord trait.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/19 10:52:01
Subject: [1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Lesser Daemon of Chaos
New England
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Noise marines were FAQ'ed a while back. You can take 1 blastmaster in a squad of 5 and 2 in a 10 man squad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/19 13:01:33
Subject: [1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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I think you wouls do better running dreadclaws in this list. Keeps the chosen protected a lot longer.
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~Ice~
Da' Burnin Couch 2018 Best Overall
Beef and Wing ITC Major GT Best Overall 2018
2019 ITC #1 Overall Best Admech
LVO 2019 #1 Admech |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/19 16:13:55
Subject: [1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Lesser Daemon of Chaos
New England
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Cypher's Chosen cannot take dedicated transports.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/08/19 16:14:15
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/19 23:53:52
Subject: [1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
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Ooh, 1 per 5 Blastmasters sounds like what I need.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/20 11:47:19
Subject: [1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Dakka Veteran
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Doesn't matter. IA13 Dreadclaws are available in the fast attack slot as well, so they can start he game embarked upon them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/20 12:39:02
Subject: [1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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Yup.
I feel like protection and scoring are issues for this list. It also lets you get those special weapons were you need them.
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~Ice~
Da' Burnin Couch 2018 Best Overall
Beef and Wing ITC Major GT Best Overall 2018
2019 ITC #1 Overall Best Admech
LVO 2019 #1 Admech |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/20 12:39:44
Subject: Re:[1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
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Dreadclaws are awesome, but at 100 points a pop, I can't afford to outfit the Chosen in a pimp-ride. Knowing I can take Blastmasters easier, how about:
Fallen Champions Formation
Cypher
6- Chosen w/ 4 Plasma Guns
6- Chosen w/ 4 Plasma Guns
5- Chosen w/ 4 Plasma Guns
CSM CAD
1- Chaos Lord: Mark of Slaanesh, CCW, Combi-Bolter
5- Noise Marines: Blastmaster
5- Noise Marines: Blastmaster
5- Noise Marines: Blastmaster
5- Noise Marines: Blastmaster
2- Heldrakes
2- Maulerfiends: magma cutters
I would think many opponents would have issues dealing with either the Chosen, the Maulerfiends, or the Blastmasters right off the bat. Much less deal with the Heldrakes after that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/20 12:41:27
Subject: [1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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I think you are trying to do too much in this list. Might as well drop the chosen (which was your main thing!) and go slaneesh if you want all those blast masters. 5 man units on foot will get annihilated.
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~Ice~
Da' Burnin Couch 2018 Best Overall
Beef and Wing ITC Major GT Best Overall 2018
2019 ITC #1 Overall Best Admech
LVO 2019 #1 Admech |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/20 18:32:01
Subject: [1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
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I think you should keep the Chosen, but get one melta squad in there. If you face AV14, you'll be hard pressed to crack it open and your Maulerfiend will be singled out so fast you might not be able to bring them into CC with the AV14 target.
Also, if you can, keep a couple of noise marines in Rhino from you previous list. These would be great at Objective grabbing/clearing.
Just a thought, but wouldn't it be more fun/efficient to run a Slaanesh sorcerer to unlock the noise marines or do you have to take a Lord for that?
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Praise the emperor, bless your weapon and pass the ammo!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/21 19:06:03
Subject: [1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Lesser Daemon of Chaos
New England
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Need a Lord with appropriate mark to unlock cult troops/ except for 1k sons- you need a sorcerer w/ MoT
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 15:53:35
Subject: Re:[1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
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Just wanted to follow up with a thanks for the advice from all. I got to get a game in with the below list and it did quite well! Turns out massed ignores cover will get some work done! My Rhinos were fantastic at zipping upfield and snagging objectives. My opponent was too busy trying to kill the Chosen and Noise Marines that he left them alone for the most part.
Fallen Champions Formation
Cypher
6- Chosen w/ 4 Plasma Guns
6- Chosen w/ 4 Plasma Guns
6- Chosen w/ 4 Melta Guns
CSM CAD
1- Chaos Lord: Mark of Slaanesh, CCW, Bolt Pistol
5- Noise Marines: Blastmaster, Rhino
5- Noise Marines: Blastmaster, Rhino
5- Noise Marines: Blastmaster, Rhino
2- Heldrakes
2- Maulerfiends: magma cutters
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 16:16:12
Subject: Re:[1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Love this list, looks like a lot of fun to play. Don't have any suggestions, looks pretty solid.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 17:34:28
Subject: Re:[1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
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Thanks, it was a blast to play!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/01 22:13:34
Subject: [1850] - Cypher & CSM
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'd say remove a squad of Noise Marines for another Heldrake.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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