Arlington, Texas police raid marijuana farm

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**kronk**

Sorry!

They are suing for property and emotional damage, inflicted by the State, as well as seeking the recovery of legal expenses for this fiasco “because the City of Arlington and Detective Perez showed a reckless and callous indifference,” according to Reason magazine.

While I'm against hippyism, I'm even more against evil totalitarianism. I hope they get their money AND I hope the US Congress go ahead and legalize pot. Not for any hippy reasons, just fiscal conservatism. Pot heads in jail is money that could be spent on schools and roads. Also, sin tax the gak out of it like you do for cigarettes.

**CptJake**

Police seemingly take the easy way more and more often and execute raids/no-knocks rather than more old fashioned police work.

**cincydooley**

streamdragon wrote:

?? what sort of crap is Ohio up to now?

Item on the ballot that would allow a group called ResponsibleOhio to create a constitutional cartel to lord over production of marijuana in Ohio, limiting it to 10 farms owned by...you guessed it.... the people fronting ResponsibleOhio.

**Jihadin**

My oh my.......

**Tannhauser42**

What makes me scratch my head is that bit in the article about their website's use of marijuana slang. I'm not justifying the cops' actions in any way, here, but what exactly were they thinking when they decided on branding their food business "Uber Dank"? Maybe I'm just getting tired of businesses thinking they're clever by using drug slang in their names or their product names.

**Hordini**

Ouze wrote:
Just look at this clown. This is not a Navy SEAL, or a Force Recon guy behind enemy lines... this is a police officer! There are dudes in active war zones with less gear on than he has! What's with the assault pack - is he expecting a siege without resupply? Is he going to have to rappel somewhere? Why is he wearing full MARPAT? He's got his sidearm, he's got the required AR15 with a red dot sight, a side-flip magnifier, a flashlight, a laser, an angled foregrip, his flip up sights, looks like a suppressor, a magpul for his magazine, but obviously, not a helmet on his head. Why isn't he wearing a kevlar helmet? Is it more important to wear the boonie hat, as to keep the sun out of his eyes while he makes that long patrol from the back of his Bearcat 20 yards across the property?

There is so much wrong with policing in America these days, and man oh man, has this story got most of em covered.

It's the assault pack that really got me. I don't see any way how having an assault pack for a SWAT raid (even a fully justified one) makes sense. If I was doing a raid on a building, and I didn't have to hike to it first, or hike back when I was finished, an assault pack would be quite literally the last piece of gear I would want.

**Dreadclaw69**

Hordini wrote:
an assault pack would be quite literally the last piece of gear I would want.

But you would still want it

**kronk**

I like the part in jhadin's picture where it says he stores candy and slim Jim's...

**Hordini**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Hordini wrote:
an assault pack would be quite literally the last piece of gear I would want.

But you would still want it

Touche.

I would want it sitting in my gear locker, or in the vehicle I rode in, but not on my back.

**Ouze**

Well, this thread was totally worth it just for the "Geardo".

**stanman**

The only thing missing on the Geardo pic is an arrow at the groin stating "concealed micro penis; aka the reason why they need all this stuff".

**KingCracker**

I have a cousin that reminds me of that geardo picture. The guy literally calls my brother, a marine, and asks him his opinion on buying some new high tech gear for shooting. All. The. Time. He then will tell people that a marine told him it's good

Some people.

**Frazzled**

CptJake wrote:
Think of how much money the Arlington gov't could have saved had the cops conducted even rudimentary surveillance before unleashing the tacti-cool jackboots.

As for the picture of GI Joe, I have a bit of sympathy. They often get uniforms and other gear 'free' from DoD which may account for the camouflage instead of the traditional blue/black SWAT types used to wear. As for the amount of gear, a lot of folks subscribe to the 'better to have and not need than need and not have" school of thought. If it is a short duration raid and you are used to training in full gear, it won't slow you down all that much. If gak goes tango uniform and the raid turns into an extended confrontation, you have your gear/ammo/snacks/radios/reading material and so on with you. I just hope he had an E-Tool on the other side of that ruck. I would hate to think he would be a surface gakker if he had to poo during an extended op. Not much worse than a surface gakker.

What kind of "extended confrontation" an they have raiding a tomato farm? Its not like they are in the middle of the Dakotas about to pick a fight with the Lakotah nation.

**BrotherGecko**

First thing I thought when I saw the picture of Captain Camo was "NERD!!".

I only ever found ways to reduce the amount of crap I had to wear. Only piece of gear I ever made sure I had on mission was my scarf....cuz it got really cold in the winter lol.

Everybody wants to be SF but they don't want to put the work in. I didn't and so didn't want to be one. That and every SF guy I ever saw was in minimal gear possible, to include brain buckets and eyepro lol.

**Relapse**

Ouze wrote:
streamdragon wrote:
While I agree with pretty much everything in your post, I am compelled to point out that this guy isn't just "a police officer", he's a SWAT team member. He's not just "a police officer" in a similar (but smaller) fashion that an army ranger is not just "an army soldier". I'm not saying his loadout doesn't look like utter insanity, it does.

My thrust was that this guy doesn't appear in any way whatsoever to be a law enforcement officer. This guy is fully kitted out for combat, and I was trying to emphasize the problem with that approach, beyond just the bunker mentality: I think there is a total unnecessary risk to these officers just because they don't look like police officers and they are operating in a state with a highly armed populace. I feel like it's begging for someone to shoot at them who might not have shot at what they recognized as police officers.

They do have to keep up with the militias, though.

Seriously, though, I wonder if this is a case of use the funding or lose it. If you put toys in front of the kids and tell them they have to play with them or there won't be anymore, that could explain this over the top nonsense.

**Sienisoturi**

I still don't see any reason as to why it is a bad thing that the police takes their job (too) seriously.

PS I am still waiting for the police to start using tactical katanas

**-Shrike-**

Sienisoturi wrote:
I still don't see any reason as to why it is a bad thing that the police takes their job (too) seriously.

PS I am still waiting for the police to start using tactical katanas

You don't see a problem with police carrying more military gear than soldiers in active war zones? Seriously?

**BrotherGecko**

Ironically it would help the military beat them in a fight if enemies foriegn and domestic" needed to be enforced lol.

Bunch weighed down nerds in tacticool would make the fight pretty easy.

**Frazzled**

Sienisoturi wrote:
I still don't see any reason as to why it is a bad thing that the police takes their job (too) seriously.

PS I am still waiting for the police to start using tactical katanas

Because they are taking the WRONG job too seriously. They are PoPo not spetznatz.

**CptJake**

Frazzled wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Think of how much money the Arlington gov't could have saved had the cops conducted even rudimentary surveillance before unleashing the tacti-cool jackboots.

As for the picture of GI Joe, I have a bit of sympathy. They often get uniforms and other gear 'free' from DoD which may account for the camouflage instead of the traditional blue/black SWAT types used to wear. As for the amount of gear, a lot of folks subscribe to the 'better to have and not need than need and not have" school of thought. If it is a short duration raid and you are used to training in full gear, it won't slow you down all that much. If gak goes tango uniform and the raid turns into an extended confrontation, you have your gear/ammo/snacks/radios/reading material and so on with you. I just hope he had an E-Tool on the other side of that ruck. I would hate to think he would be a surface gakker if he had to poo during an extended op. Not much worse than a surface gakker.

What kind of "extended confrontation" an they have raiding a tomato farm? Its not like they are in the middle of the Dakotas about to pick a fight with the Lakotah nation.

No, but plenty of things could happen. The short raid on the Branch Davidian compound took how long? Even a simple hostage situation can extend hours to days.

**Relapse**

CptJake wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Think of how much money the Arlington gov't could have saved had the cops conducted even rudimentary surveillance before unleashing the tacti-cool jackboots.

As for the picture of GI Joe, I have a bit of sympathy. They often get uniforms and other gear 'free' from DoD which may account for the camouflage instead of the traditional blue/black SWAT types used to wear. As for the amount of gear, a lot of folks subscribe to the 'better to have and not need than need and not have" school of thought. If it is a short duration raid and you are used to training in full gear, it won't slow you down all that much. If gak goes tango uniform and the raid turns into an extended confrontation, you have your gear/ammo/snacks/radios/reading material and so on with you. I just hope he had an E-Tool on the other side of that ruck. I would hate to think he would be a surface gakker if he had to poo during an extended op. Not much worse than a surface gakker.

What kind of "extended confrontation" an they have raiding a tomato farm? Its not like they are in the middle of the Dakotas about to pick a fight with the Lakotah nation.

No, but plenty of things could happen. The short raid on the Branch Davidian compound took how long? Even a simple hostage situation can extend hours to days.

That was a raid that shouldn't have happened either, especially considering how it ended.

**CptJake**

You won't find me arguing otherwise. The ATF scum screwed the pooch royally, handed it off to others who showed the ATF what fething the dog really meant.

**Ouze**

-Shrike- wrote:
Sienisoturi wrote:
I still don't see any reason as to why it is a bad thing that the police takes their job (too) seriously.

PS I am still waiting for the police to start using tactical katanas

You don't see a problem with police carrying more military gear than soldiers in active war zones? Seriously?

No, no - when someone reads an article about a swat team raiding a location over a reported 2 ounces of marijuana (about $400 worth) and it turning out to be an organic tomato farm, while dressed up as Rambo, and their comment is "why shouldn't the police take their jobs seriously" - don't dignify that with a response. Just treat it like a stranger on the subway who pooped his pants and doesn't seem to have noticed it. You can't help him.

CptJake wrote:
No, but plenty of things could happen. The short raid on the Branch Davidian compound took how long? Even a simple hostage situation can extend hours to days.

Sure, but the police weren't, like, pinned down behind enemy lines with only the equipment on their back and strapped on their bodies to sustain them. It's not a good analogy.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

Ouze wrote:
-Shrike- wrote:
Sienisoturi wrote:
I still don't see any reason as to why it is a bad thing that the police takes their job (too) seriously.

PS I am still waiting for the police to start using tactical katanas

You don't see a problem with police carrying more military gear than soldiers in active war zones? Seriously?

No, no - when someone reads an article about a swat team raiding a location over a reported 2 ounces of marijuana (about $400 worth) and it turning out to be an organic tomato farm, while dressed up as Rambo, and their comment is "why shouldn't the police take their jobs seriously" - don't dignify that with a response. Just treat it like a stranger on the subway who pooped his pants and doesn't seem to have noticed it. You can't help him.

CptJake wrote:
No, but plenty of things could happen. The short raid on the Branch Davidian compound took how long? Even a simple hostage situation can extend hours to days.

Sure, but the police weren't, like, pinned down behind enemy lines with only the equipment on their back and strapped on their bodies to sustain them. It's not a good analogy.

Even if they were pinned down, the would still have access to reinforcements. Besides, is tacticool gear really needed for a hostage situation?

**Ouze**

In all fairness, we don't know what was in the bag. For all we know, it was a bag full of marshmallows, and if this had turned into the next Waco.... oh man, delicious.

**Frazzled**

CptJake wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Think of how much money the Arlington gov't could have saved had the cops conducted even rudimentary surveillance before unleashing the tacti-cool jackboots.

As for the picture of GI Joe, I have a bit of sympathy. They often get uniforms and other gear 'free' from DoD which may account for the camouflage instead of the traditional blue/black SWAT types used to wear. As for the amount of gear, a lot of folks subscribe to the 'better to have and not need than need and not have" school of thought. If it is a short duration raid and you are used to training in full gear, it won't slow you down all that much. If gak goes tango uniform and the raid turns into an extended confrontation, you have your gear/ammo/snacks/radios/reading material and so on with you. I just hope he had an E-Tool on the other side of that ruck. I would hate to think he would be a surface gakker if he had to poo during an extended op. Not much worse than a surface gakker.

What kind of "extended confrontation" an they have raiding a tomato farm? Its not like they are in the middle of the Dakotas about to pick a fight with the Lakotah nation.

No, but plenty of things could happen. The short raid on the Branch Davidian compound took how long? Even a simple hostage situation can extend hours to days.

Your examples prove my point. Officer Tacticool is not going to be sitting his ass out in th e middle of a tomato without support. None of those locations had people sitting out on their own.

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Ouze wrote:
In all fairness, we don't know what was in the bag. For all we know, it was a bag full of marshmallows, and if this had turned into the next Waco.... oh man, delicious.

I hope he brought his tacticool camel back filled with his favorite beverage to wash that down.

**NuggzTheNinja**

Ouze wrote:
In all fairness, we don't know what was in the bag. For all we know, it was a bag full of marshmallows, and if this had turned into the next Waco.... oh man, delicious.

If that was a BBQ joke, it's pretty tasteless considering that many of the people who burned to death were children and pregnant women.

**Relapse**

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Ouze wrote:
In all fairness, we don't know what was in the bag. For all we know, it was a bag full of marshmallows, and if this had turned into the next Waco.... oh man, delicious.

If that was a BBQ joke, it's pretty tasteless considering that many of the people who burned to death were children and pregnant women.

The ATF actually tried to get a memorial statue of an agent leading two children by the hand built on the site. It caused a gak storm back in the 90's.

**sebster**

CptJake wrote:
Police seemingly take the easy way more and more often and execute raids/no-knocks rather than more old fashioned police work.

Modern face of quantitatives. Just like the guy with the radar gets measured on the number of tickets he gives out, the drug squad gets measured on the number of raids they execute they produce arrests and convictions. It means the system is actually set up to show very little patience for long investigations, especially ones where there's a chance that it might come to nothing.

**Ouze**

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Ouze wrote:
In all fairness, we don't know what was in the bag. For all we know, it was a bag full of marshmallows, and if this had turned into the next Waco.... oh man, delicious.

If that was a BBQ joke, it's pretty tasteless considering that many of the people who burned to death were children and pregnant women.

No, it was a toasting marshmallows joke, and I think it's been pretty firmly established that time + tragedy = comedy.