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 Paradigm wrote:
Hmm... need better pics. On one hand the deal isn't as sweet as I was hoping, on the other, there's still a good bit in there compared to what you'd pay separately.

From GW:
3x Tactical Squads= £75
1xTerminators=£27
1xDread= £28
2x Characters= £30 (or more, these days)

So you're essentially paying for the PA Marines and a character, and getting the rest free'....

Anyone else severely pained by seeing HH marines painted in the clean, colourful GW style rather than FW's perfect gritty take?

Box of 40 Perry Miniatures £20

Your price comparisions only make sense IF you compare those minis with waaaaay overpriced GW miniatures.

Odd how the contemptor looks to be borderline snapfit and confined to one sprue when the tacticals are are a multipart kit with a ton of options
...

 Paradigm wrote:
Hmm... need better pics. On one hand the deal isn't as sweet as I was hoping, on the other, there's still a good bit in there compared to what you'd pay separately.

From GW:
3x Tactical Squads= £75
1xTerminators=£27
1xDread= £28
2x Characters= £30 (or more, these days)

So you're essentially paying for the PA Marines and a character, and getting the rest free'....

Anyone else severely pained by seeing HH marines painted in the clean, colourful GW style rather than FW's perfect gritty take?

Only if you're comparing to the normal plastic lineup. Compared to FW, it's about half the price. So it really depends on your perspective. If you're comparing purely on merits of plastic (so against Perry, etc), it's not a good deal. Compared to normal GW plastic, it's 'meh'. Compared to what you would have otherwise been paying for FW resin, it's pretty damn sweet.

nudibranch wrote:
Odd how the contemptor looks to be borderline snapfit and confined to one sprue when the tacticals are are a multipart kit with a ton of options
...

It's to encourage people to buy the FW ones

Mind you, I still want that Contemptor and the Cataphractii. But that's it, pretty much.

 Paradigm wrote:
Hmm... need better pics. On one hand the deal isn't as sweet as I was hoping, on the other, there's still a good bit in there compared to what you'd pay separately.

From GW:
3x Tactical Squads= £75
1xTerminators=£27
1xDread= £28
2x Characters= £30 (or more, these days)

So you're essentially paying for the PA Marines and a character, and getting the rest free'....

Anyone else severely pained by seeing HH marines painted in the clean, colourful GW style rather than FW's perfect gritty take?

Yeah, I was a little sad to see that. I'd guess a lot of new players will begin wondering what the difference between 30k and 40k is, now that they are painted the same way.

RoninXiC wrote:

Box of 40 Perry Miniatures £20

Your price comparisions only make sense IF you compare those minis with waaaaay overpriced GW miniatures.

I appreciate that, but since these are GW minis with very equivalent models already in the GW range, it seems sensible to use those as a baseline. To be honest, the old Terminators, and the current Dreads and Tactical sets I do feel are decent value; obviously I'd like them to be cheaper, but they're nothing like as hideously priced as the Sternguard or £15+ characters that I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

Ketara wrote:
Only if you're comparing to the normal plastic lineup. Compared to FW, it's about half the price. So it really depends on your perspective. If you're comparing purely on merits of plastic (so against Perry, etc), it's not a good deal. Compared to normal GW plastic, it's 'meh'. Compared to what you would have otherwise been paying for FW resin, it's pretty damn sweet.

Good point, this is definitely much cheaper than FW. It's a given that GW are probably going to charge more of equivalent numbers of minis than anyone else, but I do think there's good value in this set, especially compared to the recent Tau and RG sets that were just bundle discount on things that were already disgustingly overpriced.

RoninXiC wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Hmm... need better pics. On one hand the deal isn't as sweet as I was hoping, on the other, there's still a good bit in there compared to what you'd pay separately.

From GW:
3x Tactical Squads= £75
1xTerminators=£27
1xDread= £28
2x Characters= £30 (or more, these days)

So you're essentially paying for the PA Marines and a character, and getting the rest free'....

Anyone else severely pained by seeing HH marines painted in the clean, colourful GW style rather than FW's perfect gritty take?

Box of 40 Perry Miniatures £20

Your price comparisions only make sense IF you compare those minis with waaaaay overpriced GW miniatures.

the Perry comparison only applies if you are interested in their miniatures...
personally, i wouldn't buy 40 Perry miniatures even if the price was £5, because i have no passion for painting real world minis...
i want fantastical minis, that don't exist in a world outside of the imagination...
to me, GW's mini are not overpriced, because they are exactly what i want to paint...

if someone is happy with a purchase, they are getting their money's worth...
if they are not, then they will feel they were ripped off...
comparisons to a completely different genre and style are meaningless if you have no interest in that other genre...

cheers
jah

RoninXiC wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Hmm... need better pics. On one hand the deal isn't as sweet as I was hoping, on the other, there's still a good bit in there compared to what you'd pay separately.

From GW:
3x Tactical Squads= £75
1xTerminators=£27
1xDread= £28
2x Characters= £30 (or more, these days)

So you're essentially paying for the PA Marines and a character, and getting the rest free'....

Anyone else severely pained by seeing HH marines painted in the clean, colourful GW style rather than FW's perfect gritty take?

Box of 40 Perry Miniatures £20

Your price comparisions only make sense IF you compare those minis with waaaaay overpriced GW miniatures.

Box of any other hard plastic miniature that is not historical (and therefore generic and replacable with any other company's generic miniature) = way more than £20 for 40... comparing with historical miniatures doesn't work. They get all the concept design and background for free, and they need to be really cheap because otherwise people would buy them from another company. Compare with something like Dreamforge if you want legit comparisons for cheaper minis (that are still nowhere near as cheap as historicals).

Comparing GW to Perry is absolutely ridiculous

Did anyone else notice the backpacks on those marines?

From what I can tell both sides are using your standard Mk 7 backpacks from the current 40k kits.

 jonolikespie wrote:
Did anyone else notice the backpacks on those marines?

From what I can tell both sides are using your standard Mk 7 backpacks from the current 40k kits.

They're Mk IV backpacks. You can tell in the older sprue pics. They look similar from the front but have a different layout in the back.

Plastic multi-part horus heresy. I assume I've died and gone to heaven. I hope it's not a Limited Ed. box, I'm going to want more than one, that much is obvious.

After Lords of War Gaming stated their annoyance about Natfkas sources in their last post (Sorry, Alpharius, for posting the rant uncensored. My sincere apology :( ), Hastings has put the post into perspective and pointed out again the content will be released separately later. I think LoWG meant the same. Anyway

Originally Posted by Buddy Bear
Ok, so this will become an actual miniatures game and not be restricted solely to being a board game?

That's what I was told yes. Not sure on timeframe, but all so far is going exactly as I was told and posted.

Regarding the LoWG post

I'd disagree with some that

I don't think the timeframe allows for GW to be responsive to sales of HH for the first thing. For the second point my source (who gave me the info in January) had already seen boxes with the 30k logo on printed some boxes had 30k & 40k logos on, as I reported in February. I will not go into specifics as to what these kits were, but they are obviously worked on already if the boxes are done

Very rare GW change the order of their releases, I've known it happen only twice during my entire time in the hobby.

The plan is for 30k to replace LotR on the store shelves, that plan and the releases AFTER HH standalone box is already WELL into the production time cycle. So I would dispute that anyone else/any other site who DOES know what these printed boxes was IS NOT lying, my source certainly knows...... and so do I.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?412928-Horus-Heresy-Plastics-in-late-2015-Mk-II&p=7558094&viewfull=1#post7558094

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?412928-Horus-Heresy-Plastics-in-late-2015-Mk-II&p=7558112&viewfull=1#post7558112

@jono: the nozzles are the same as the mkvii, basically, but if you check the leaked sprue pics the back has the triple tiered layers that the FW Mkiv FW packs do...
the front and side view of the painted models don't show off the difference:(...

Edit:damn ninjas...

@Mymearan: i think the Dreamforge Eisenkern Stormtroopers are a valid comparison to a GW Tac. Squad...
some people even use them for counts-as Marines...
you get twice as many minis for nearly the same price from Dreamforge compared to GW...
the question then becomes, are you happy to use the Stormies for counts-as Marines???
some people are...

personally, i would rather pay $4 per GW Marine than $2 for a rough equivilant...
i want the iconic sculpt, so i am happy to pay that cost...

since mkiv is my favorite armor mark, and FW casts usually requires a lot of prep work, i could not be happier for plastic versions...

@Peregrine: the monopose Contemptor actually makes sense...
this way, people who want the posability will still go to FW for the "real" Contemptor, thus GW doesn't invalidate the whole line of sculpts with one plastic model...

cheers
jah

Eisenkern Stormtroopers are stand-ins for imperial guardsmen, it's the Valkirs who are the space marine equivalents. And if you compare the prices, DFG models are only a tiny bit cheaper than GW. And only if you happen to live in the States, otherwise they're more expensive with less options and bits. Hardly a bargain.

I'll defo be getting this, very exciting not wild about the marine backpacks (prefer the FW ones, fel a bit more heresy-era to me) but they can be changed think I'll use the whole kit to start that Thousand Sons army

Need better pictures.

Why can't people take better pictures?

Mono-Pose contemptor is disappointing, but not a deal breaker.

I'd rather have had MKIII, as I said earlier, but since my Imperial Fists army is good for 1850, I could use these to start a traitor legion.

Now to choo-choo-choose.

I play Ultramarines, so Mark 4 is fluffy. Thought the temptation to order the upgrade kit is now super strong...

TBH, if GW's intention was to suck people back into buying their stuff who have moved away from them onto other games, then in my case they've probably succeeded.
I've got no real interest in playing 40k, and the 30k FW prices were always offputting but this...well, I first got into gaming back in the RT days so being able to game the Heresy at a not so bad price (for GW anyway) is very, very tempting. I might even get two boxes.

I'll probably do Alpha Legion and Imperial Fists. Not hugely fluffy Heresy wise but they're my two favourite legions and they weren't on the best of terms pre-heresy so what the hey.

 Dark Lord Seanron wrote:
I'll defo be getting this, very exciting not wild about the marine backpacks (prefer the FW ones, fel a bit more heresy-era to me) but they can be changed think I'll use the whole kit to start that Thousand Sons army

The backpacks are the same as the ones you get with FW MkIV armour.

from a french forum

Pics really not helpful lol

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Pics really not helpful lol

That last french one actually is. It convinced me that I am deffo looking for that Contemptor on Ebay... Waiting for clearer Cataphractii pics now.

guru wrote:
from a french forum

At least this one legitimately looks like someone sneakily snapped it while in danger of being noticed, unlike the usual stuff that's obviously gakky on purpose.

I think I may be busy F5ing one the preorder day. Who needs money for food anyway.

Interesting, very interesting. Looking at the pictures, I doubt I'll be buying this now. Not be cause I don't want it, but because it doesn't give me anything new I need to carry on with my 30k Legions. Excellent starter set though (monopose Contemptor the exception).

There's a few things that may make me change my mind:

- What's the boardgame like?
- What else comes in the box?
- Limited edition shiney's?

Was really excited until I saw the pics, nothing wrong with them per day but what was in my head was better then anything they could have made I guess, that's hype for you. I'll just hope I can get the couple HQ characters on eBay.

 -DE- wrote:
Eisenkern Stormtroopers are stand-ins for imperial guardsmen, it's the Valkirs who are the space marine equivalents. And if you compare the prices, DFG models are only a tiny bit cheaper than GW. And only if you happen to live in the States, otherwise they're more expensive with less options and bits. Hardly a bargain.

To add to this... GW produce their models in Notthingham, England. Quite expensive compared to China. I don't think anyone else does it apart from Renedra?

Looking at the pictures it looks like* the sides are divided thus:

Ultramarines:
10 Tacticals
5 Terminators
2 characters?

Word Bearers:
20 Marines
Contemptor.

N.B: This may be completely wrong.

Most assumed that the sprues we saw months ago were genuine, and these latest leaks show them to be right on the money. That must be the biggest pictured leak lead time we have had in ages.

Mono-pose dread doesn’t bother me that much. There is only one, so it’s not like you have to have a dozen of the same identical thing on the table. Like the 2nd edition bolter hugging marines. The guys you have a ton of (marines) are fully modular.

If you are building an entire 30k legion from multiple boxes, sure, it’s an issue. Or not, if you have some moderate skill with a knife.

Still on the fence myself.