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While I really hate the contemptor design and never quite understood its success (well I do suspect a "forgeworld did it, must be great" phenomenon, or maybe just because its a dreadnought with legs that make sense) but the plastic one in particular doesn't look that much worse to me. Shame ofc that GW didn't take a challenge of making a best one ever but I don't expect much from them anyway these days.

125 euros for a boardgame with a board like the one on pics is bonkers though, who cares about comparisions with prices from another outwordly overpriced company. Not sure if it's not just my depression speaking now though lol.

 conker249 wrote:
For me, buying 2 sets of this for $300, to fill out 60 marines. 2 dreads, 10 terminators, and a few Centurions, is massive. For 60 Mk IV Forgeworld marines(With no weapons) alone is $445. This opens up a lot of money to buy other awesome tanks and units.

The 10 Cataphracti are another $100 or so too, and the 2 contemptors are well over $100, though that allows you to choose your weapons, and the 2 heroes would be fill the gap to a total of $300. In other words, 5 Cataphracti, 1 contemptor and 1 hero basically costs you $150 -- the cost of the box set -- for forge world resin. That's not including shipping or stupid customs handling charges and all that.

Setting aside comprison to FW prices its still a good deal compared to core GW model prices:

3 x Tac Squad - £75
1 x Dread - £28
1 x Terminator Squad - £28
2 x Characters - £36

Would be £167 before you account for tiles and dice etc.

So a flat £72 saving over core GW pricing. Assuming you dump all the boardgame stuff in the bin and just want models.

 -DE- wrote:
Lack of undercuts? Plastic kits can't have undercuts without sliding molds which are too expensive for such a niche product.

Everything else aside, this is wrong on two levels. First, because plastic kits can achieve a finished result with very few undercuts by breaking them down into smaller components, which GW does all the time - they chose not to do so in this case to make the model cheaper to produce and take up less space in the box. Which is perfectly valid, it's a starter box/boxed game, but it was their choice. Second, because the idea that slide-core tooled moulds are too expensive for wargaming is nonsense, especially for GW - they're not too expensive, they're too expensive for GW as currently run because the company is focused on extracting maximum shareholder value from the IPs at the expense of(or at least with total disregard for) long-term viability, so investing in new tooling technology to ensure they remain the premier plastic wargaming manufacturer(note wargaming, there's no argument they're inferior to most scale model kits) isn't something they care about.

Personally I'm not that fussed about the plastic Contemptor, I have 3 already and I'm not a fan of the "relic" style they went with on the plastic one for 30K, not for the Legions I like anyway. I'll probably use it to make a terrain piece.

Another way of looking at it is points per dollar.

From a 40k POV (don’t know 30k points)

2 captains w/moderate gear ~150 points each
5 man terminator squad ~200 points
MM/fist dread - 100 points
3x10 Man tac squads (ML/F) 160ea. 480 points

You are getting a semi-viable ~1,000 point army for $150. That’s about 6-7 points per dollar, depending on wargear and builds. You could fluff things up a lot on the captains (chapter master upgrades) or venerable a/o gun upgrades on the dread. Marines, one of the better armies on the point/dollar ratio, are normally closer to $1:4pts.

Artificier Armor Centurion, Cataphractii Terminator Praetor £33.00 For the set of two
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10) £48 plus £24 for the bolters
Cataphractii Terminator Squad (x5) £35 ea plus £17 for the weapons
Contemptor Dreadnought £33 ea (minus arms), plus £9.5 an arm x4
Coming out to a grand total of:

£372 = $568.00!!!

Space Hulk had 30 something models and so many tiles, still was cheaper. Comparisions to normal GW prices don't make sense, boxed game/ starters have to be cheaper or what's the point. Comparisions to FW, not sure if serious, that way everything is cheap. Betrayal is overpriced.

I am really trying to resist wanting two of the board game. I would do one as Crimson Fists, the other as Blood Angels. It would give me all I need to run a Gladius for Crimson Fists, and I would have the makings of an Angel's Fury Spearhead for the Blood Angels.


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Plumbumbarum wrote:
Space Hulk had 30 something models and so many tiles, still was cheaper. Comparisions to normal GW prices don't make sense, boxed game/ starters have to be cheaper or what's the point. Comparisions to FW, not sure if serious, that way everything is cheap. Betrayal is overpriced.

Space Hulk is 100% monopose. Completely different ballgame.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Space Hulk had 30 something models and so many tiles, still was cheaper. Comparisions to normal GW prices don't make sense, boxed game/ starters have to be cheaper or what's the point. Comparisions to FW, not sure if serious, that way everything is cheap. Betrayal is overpriced.

The point I was making is that if viewed as a Space Marine battle force this is amazingly good value, the boardgame stuff as extras aside you're saving a tonne just counting it as a marine battle force, and given that aside from the contemptors everything in the kit is a functional multi part kit there is no reason NOT to price it as full GW kits. this isnt a dark vengeance mono-pose so cheaper kit, the MKIV and Cataphractii are multi pose, multi armament models.

Ok, still apparently a boardgame tough.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Ok, still apparently a boardgame tough.

Most people who are going to buy it don't care about it being a board game.

When do pre-orders usually go live?

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Ok, still apparently a boardgame tough.

You do understand that none of us will use it as a board game, right?

Should be the 7th for pre order

Yep, trailer confirmed the 7th.

 kronk wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Ok, still apparently a boardgame tough.

You do understand that none of us will use it as a board game, right?

Yes. Does it change the fact that it is sold as boargame and is ridiculously priced for one? Not sure.

Oh, I should've been more clear. What time of day? Like, at midnight GMT or something? I have a distinct feeling it's going to sell out after hitting F5 the first time I see it.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Oh, I should've been more clear. What time of day? Like, at midnight GMT or something? I have a distinct feeling it's going to sell out after hitting F5 the first time I see it.

It'll be 10am. But it's not limited so it shouldn't sell out.

Cergorach wrote:


I agree, the sprues could have been made far better. Sliding molds might be more expensive, but certainly not astronomical. Just look at what Dreamforge and Maelstorm did. And the arguement that it's a starter kit is extremely strange because it would be the only sprue in the whole box that has that issue, the Terminators and the Tacticals are normal sprues, the special characters are also not that different from regular special characters. This isn't a DV or AoS starterbox release!

GW have, and use, sliding core molds. They don't use them as much as I would, but you see them being used every so often. First with the Baneblade, and the most recent I've seen was the Tidewall Gunrig.

No, what strikes me as being the oddest thing about the Contemptor sprue is that it's a full sized sprue with no way to split it for placement into the normal squad sized box. If they release all of these later, separately, it's the odd one that HAS to go into a tank sized box...BUT, it's just one sprue. I absolutely acknowledge that GW could be silly enough to put one single sprue into a big box, but a number of other options came to mind as I considered the matter.

Note, all of these are speculation.

1. They have a non-starter set Contemptor that has multipart/multipose legs/torso ready to go into the same size box that regular dreads are in. It would also be typical GW to include all different ranged weapons in that kit than are in the starter box.
2. They have a separate sprue WITH all those other weapon options that they'll put into the box with the monopose Contemptor, so the dread itself is the same, but the box isn't ridiculously empty with just one sprue in it.
3. They'll stuff three starter-box Contemptors into a single tank-sized box and sell them as a Contemptor talon. Or, knowing GW, they'll just put in two so you can't complete a full talon with just one box, while claiming it's "great news!" because people who bought the starter can now complete their Contemptor talon.

Of the three, and you note that they all have drawbacks since that's what I expect, I think I'd like the first option best.

Plumbumbarum wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Ok, still apparently a boardgame tough.

You do understand that none of us will use it as a board game, right?

Yes. Does it change the fact that it is sold as boargame and is ridiculously priced for one? Not sure.

It does. It's not sold as a board game in Argos for Christmas. It's sold as a board game by GW to fans of GW's gaming systems. And I'm going to buy 2 as a minimum

Plumbumbarum wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Ok, still apparently a boardgame tough.

You do understand that none of us will use it as a board game, right?

Yes. Does it change the fact that it is sold as boargame and is ridiculously priced for one? Not sure.

We don't even know if this is a 'boardgame' yet. Rumourmongers have been claiming that this is a permanent release and it will be replacing The Hobbit in stores. For all we know, this is the starter set for a new game system.

nudibranch wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Ok, still apparently a boardgame tough.

You do understand that none of us will use it as a board game, right?

Yes. Does it change the fact that it is sold as boargame and is ridiculously priced for one? Not sure.

We don't even know if this is a 'boardgame' yet. Rumourmongers have been claiming that this is a permanent release and it will be replacing The Hobbit in stores. For all we know, this is the starter set for a new game system.

That makes no sense, are you suggesting it will be a series of board games?

Plumbumbarum wrote:
I love mk.4 but hate Craptemptor dreadnoughts and Crapcraptii termies. Not sure what to do, I stopped buying 40k after AoS and this might be not worth breaking this wonderful GW free spell.

I'd love me another boardgame with good minis though, even in boring HH times (which I ofc hate). On the other hand the price seems a bit high. Sure it's good vs FW but quite bad vs other GW boxed games/ expansions/ starters. Will wait for reviews and then see I guess.

Sounds like you dislike most of the content of the box. Perhaps splitting it with someone else or just picking up some marines/rules/tiles via eBay or trade later on...

Joyboozer wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Ok, still apparently a boardgame tough.

You do understand that none of us will use it as a board game, right?

Yes. Does it change the fact that it is sold as boargame and is ridiculously priced for one? Not sure.

We don't even know if this is a 'boardgame' yet. Rumourmongers have been claiming that this is a permanent release and it will be replacing The Hobbit in stores. For all we know, this is the starter set for a new game system.

That makes no sense, are you suggesting it will be a series of board games?

I think they are suggesting it won't be a board game at all, but a starter set for a new product line.

nudibranch wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Ok, still apparently a boardgame tough.

You do understand that none of us will use it as a board game, right?

Yes. Does it change the fact that it is sold as boargame and is ridiculously priced for one? Not sure.

We don't even know if this is a 'boardgame' yet. Rumourmongers have been claiming that this is a permanent release and it will be replacing The Hobbit in stores. For all we know, this is the starter set for a new game system.

Board game, or not, I am in it for the miniatures alone!


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(However, it is a hex board system, as clearly shown on the box back & a rulebook page pic...)


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If it is an ongoing board game system, it might be like heroscape.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:


Well Heck, they have yet to get rid of any of their Regular Dreads

Actually FW started getting rid of Legion-specific old Chaos Dreads not that long ago. There is just a handful of them left now.

despite my comments re not really liking the dread, I'll still be buying a couple of sets.
like others, looking for the models not the game but will obs read the rules & that. my local GW will have the box & contents to look through on Saturday. Will probably spend the day there which is something I haven't done in years.

I'll buy one box just for curiosity but not as board game.
I'd like to have a look at the minis. They are a cheap add-on for my HH army. However, I prefer the premium class models to get a display army.

With the kits being multipart and having weapon options, it looks like this could be a sort of strange wargame/boardgame hybrid. We honestly don't know enough yet. We'll just have to wait in see.

Joyboozer wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Ok, still apparently a boardgame tough.

You do understand that none of us will use it as a board game, right?

Yes. Does it change the fact that it is sold as boargame and is ridiculously priced for one? Not sure.

We don't even know if this is a 'boardgame' yet. Rumourmongers have been claiming that this is a permanent release and it will be replacing The Hobbit in stores. For all we know, this is the starter set for a new game system.

That makes no sense, are you suggesting it will be a series of board games?

While that does sound ridiculous, it would be entirely possible to add more elements to a base hex grid and change the game significantly - you could add another faction, more models, whatever. It is effectively a "warhammer lite" where you don't need to measure distances or wonder about where things are relatively to each other.

Yeah, they could easily release add-ons consisting of another board section and a few extra models. Sort of like the old Heroquest and Space Crusade add-ons.