Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

We know that a regular Dreadnought is controlled by the Marine in the Sarcophagus. But if that Dreadnought turned to Chaos would its chassis be possessed by a Daemon that is a separate entity to the Marine already in control? And if it does, which one will take control?

It's entirely possible for a dreadnought to be possessed by a demon, just like it's possible for a regular marine to be possessed. As to who would be in control... It depends on the will power of the marine in question

War Kitten wrote:
It's entirely possible for a dreadnought to be possessed by a demon, just like it's possible for a regular marine to be possessed. As to who would be in control... It depends on the will power of the marine in question

So we now have a bunch of mad Dreadnoughts with dissociative personality disorder? Now, there's a scary thought.

If the daemon controls the chassis then there's not much the marine could do about it, the daemon could just unplug him.

I was under the impression that the Chaos Dreadnought's "replacement," the Helbrute, was a Daemon Engine. Proper Chaos Dreads can still be possessed by Daemons though, as can any Chaos vehicle. There definitely used to be rules for it, but I don't know if that vehicle upgrade was taken out when everything useful got stripped from CSM...

Helbrutes are Chaos Dreads.
They are typically not possessed, just mutated.

Animus wrote:
Helbrutes are Chaos Dreads.
They are typically not possessed, just mutated.

Hmm... I like the old ones better. Or at least wish the old ones were still around.

 Lord Corellia wrote:

Animus wrote:
Helbrutes are Chaos Dreads.
They are typically not possessed, just mutated.

Hmm... I like the old ones better. Or at least wish the old ones were still around.

I'm sure you could pick up some on ebay or choose from Forgeworld's selection to represent your Helbrutes.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Word-Bearers-Mhara-Gal-Tainted-Dreadnought

 Lord Corellia wrote:

Animus wrote:
Helbrutes are Chaos Dreads.
They are typically not possessed, just mutated.

Hmm... I like the old ones better. Or at least wish the old ones were still around.

I think they created Helbrutes when they rebranded CSM so that they had their own style and flavor as opposed to just spiky SM, which is what they basically were back in 3rd and 4th edition. I do enjoy my old metal dreads, though.

 Lord Corellia wrote:
I was under the impression that the Chaos Dreadnought's "replacement," the Helbrute, was a Daemon Engine. Proper Chaos Dreads can still be possessed by Daemons though, as can any Chaos vehicle. There definitely used to be rules for it, but I don't know if that vehicle upgrade was taken out when everything useful got stripped from CSM...

No they are not generally daemon engines proper. Certainly not rules-wise. Their outward appearance merely reflects the insanity of the occupant. Metaphor becomes literal when you spend too long exposed to the warp.

Note, that Heldrakes DO count as daemon engines, even though they are technically crewed by a space marine. In this case, the machine has become so dominated by the daemonic spirit the pilot has become a vestigial part, trapped inside and dominated by the daemon. I suppose a Hellbrute could undergo the same process.

Lastly, I don't see why a Hellbrute's chassis couldn't be daemonically possessed and work in a way such as forge/mauler fiends, etc (i.e. without requiring an occupant). Sadly there would be no way to reflect this rules-wise.