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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 10:01:31
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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If a unit of bikes has the Relic, are they allowed to flat out in the shooting phase? (Assuming they don't move more than 6")
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 12:09:34
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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By pure RAW: Technically, yes.
By RAI: not really.
Turbo-boost is Bikes version of running. It is not "instead of running" nor otherwise stated as an analog but we know it to be.
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This is my Rulebook. There are many Like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my rulebook is useless. Without my rulebook, I am useless.
Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 12:26:44
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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Kommissar Kel wrote:By pure RAW: Technically, yes.
By RAI: not really.
Turbo-boost is Bikes version of running. It is not "instead of running" nor otherwise stated as an analog but we know it to be.
Oh so Eldar Jet Bikes should be able to Battle Focus with Turbo Boosting then?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 12:54:23
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Dakka Veteran
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CrownAxe wrote: Kommissar Kel wrote:By pure RAW: Technically, yes.
By RAI: not really.
Turbo-boost is Bikes version of running. It is not "instead of running" nor otherwise stated as an analog but we know it to be.
Oh so Eldar Jet Bikes should be able to Battle Focus with Turbo Boosting then?
Eldar bikes don't have battle focus
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 13:04:30
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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Dman137 wrote: CrownAxe wrote: Kommissar Kel wrote:By pure RAW: Technically, yes.
By RAI: not really.
Turbo-boost is Bikes version of running. It is not "instead of running" nor otherwise stated as an analog but we know it to be.
Oh so Eldar Jet Bikes should be able to Battle Focus with Turbo Boosting then?
Eldar bikes don't have battle focus
Windriders and Farseers on Jetbikes do
I'm not reffering to the EJB rule in the book. Im refering to Eldar's jetbikes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 13:05:42
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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Maybe I wasn't clear enough for the usual somantic BS because certain people cannot read into a whole post or rule without focussing on a literal interpretation of lines out of context.
No, turbo-boosting is not running.
It is just the closest analog bikes have and as I fething said by RAW you can Turbo-boost while holding the relic(you can also flat-out a transport containing a unit with the relic)
However the RAI is that you probably shouldn't in both cases. You know exactly what the rest of my post said. Relics are supposed to be fragile and the separation of movement,shooting, and assault phases is an abstraction for us players(you don't honestly think all armies in the year 39,900-39,999 walk, shoot(or break into a run), then charge in that exact order while then waiting for the opponent army to do exactly the same thing do you?
Movement, actions in the shooting phase, and assaults are all happening pretty much simultaneously for the armies(again, the assault phase fights are not standing around having a cigarette while each army maneuvers around and shoots at each other then gets back to trying to kill eachother when the assault phase rolls around: abstraction); as such a unit running, bikes turbo-boostingn and vehicles moving flat-out have started that speed in the movement phase.
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This is my Rulebook. There are many Like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my rulebook is useless. Without my rulebook, I am useless.
Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 13:07:43
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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What about JSJ moves?
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 13:10:52
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Krazed Killa Kan
Homestead, FL
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yup, similarly with the Waaagh special rule, I can't turbo boost my bikers and then assault because GW can't write a rule coherently. So in this case your fine to Turbo boost with the relic RaW. But realistically you should clarify that with your opponent before the game starts.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/08/29 13:11:37
I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you mess with me, I'll kill you all
Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 13:14:18
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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Kommissar Kel wrote:Maybe I wasn't clear enough for the usual somantic BS because certain people cannot read into a whole post or rule without focussing on a literal interpretation of lines out of context.
No, turbo-boosting is not running.
It is just the closest analog bikes have and as I fething said by RAW you can Turbo-boost while holding the relic(you can also flat-out a transport containing a unit with the relic)
However the RAI is that you probably shouldn't in both cases. You know exactly what the rest of my post said. Relics are supposed to be fragile and the separation of movement,shooting, and assault phases is an abstraction for us players(you don't honestly think all armies in the year 39,900-39,999 walk, shoot(or break into a run), then charge in that exact order while then waiting for the opponent army to do exactly the same thing do you?
Movement, actions in the shooting phase, and assaults are all happening pretty much simultaneously for the armies(again, the assault phase fights are not standing around having a cigarette while each army maneuvers around and shoots at each other then gets back to trying to kill eachother when the assault phase rolls around: abstraction); as such a unit running, bikes turbo-boostingn and vehicles moving flat-out have started that speed in the movement phase.
No where in the relic mission does it say that the relic is fragile. It says its stuff like battle plans or a map, or a spiritual object. You can run with that stuff and not break it. Also I would think that armies thousands of years in the future can use a technique that marching bands use today called rolling your feet while marching so that you don't jostle around like an idiot to not brake something if its so freaking fragile.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 13:15:10
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Emboldened Warlock
Widnes UK
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Dman137 wrote: CrownAxe wrote: Kommissar Kel wrote:By pure RAW: Technically, yes.
By RAI: not really.
Turbo-boost is Bikes version of running. It is not "instead of running" nor otherwise stated as an analog but we know it to be.
Oh so Eldar Jet Bikes should be able to Battle Focus with Turbo Boosting then?
Eldar bikes don't have battle focus
They do have the battle focus rule, but it is useless to them as they can't run. I think it is only there so if a character without a bike joins them the character can still run and shoot.
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Ulthwe: 7500 points |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 13:15:26
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Krazed Killa Kan
Homestead, FL
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Crown you try "rolling your feet" while wearing full battle rattle
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I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you mess with me, I'll kill you all
Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 13:18:49
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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Ghazkuul wrote:Crown you try "rolling your feet" while wearing full battle rattle 
If out of shape high schoolers can roll their feet while carrying 40 lb sousaphones, I think super soldiers in power armor can do it while carrying a bloody map
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/08/29 13:19:25
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 13:24:24
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Krazed Killa Kan
Homestead, FL
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CrownAxe wrote: Ghazkuul wrote:Crown you try "rolling your feet" while wearing full battle rattle 
If out of shape high schoolers can roll their feet while carrying 40 lb sousaphones, I think super soldiers in power armor can do it while carrying a bloody map
Thats because all they have to focus on is moving and playing an instrument, it becomes significantly harder when your carrying upwards of 120lbs of military gear including a rifle. Not to mention how wonderfully comfortable body armor is. and then you have to start being hyper vigilant to watch out for ambushes, snipers, IEDs and entangling objects. Not to mention the occasional Camel Spider (or local world equivalent.)
Also I never said anything about SM, im talking about in general
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I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you mess with me, I'll kill you all
Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 13:26:18
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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Ghazkuul wrote: CrownAxe wrote: Ghazkuul wrote:Crown you try "rolling your feet" while wearing full battle rattle 
If out of shape high schoolers can roll their feet while carrying 40 lb sousaphones, I think super soldiers in power armor can do it while carrying a bloody map
Thats because all they have to focus on is moving and playing an instrument, it becomes significantly harder when your carrying upwards of 120lbs of military gear including a rifle. Not to mention how wonderfully comfortable body armor is. and then you have to start being hyper vigilant to watch out for ambushes, snipers, IEDs and entangling objects. Not to mention the occasional Camel Spider (or local world equivalent.)
Also I never said anything about SM, im talking about in general 
I'm talking about the 41st millenium. Idk why you are bringing up current era military gear
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 13:27:25
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Krazed Killa Kan
Homestead, FL
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CrownAxe wrote: Ghazkuul wrote: CrownAxe wrote: Ghazkuul wrote:Crown you try "rolling your feet" while wearing full battle rattle 
If out of shape high schoolers can roll their feet while carrying 40 lb sousaphones, I think super soldiers in power armor can do it while carrying a bloody map
Thats because all they have to focus on is moving and playing an instrument, it becomes significantly harder when your carrying upwards of 120lbs of military gear including a rifle. Not to mention how wonderfully comfortable body armor is. and then you have to start being hyper vigilant to watch out for ambushes, snipers, IEDs and entangling objects. Not to mention the occasional Camel Spider (or local world equivalent.)
Also I never said anything about SM, im talking about in general 
I'm talking about the 41st millenium. Idk why you are bringing up current era military gear
Because it is equivalent, and as stated many times in the fluff about IG they carry basically the same loads into combat. Also I compared like to like you compared fighting in a war to playing in a marching band.
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I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you mess with me, I'll kill you all
Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 13:29:55
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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Do they need to roll their feet whilst on bikes?
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 13:31:53
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Krazed Killa Kan
Homestead, FL
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Only if they paint there bikes Light blue and are singing Justin Bieber as they ride.
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I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you mess with me, I'll kill you all
Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 13:34:36
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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Ghazkuul wrote: CrownAxe wrote: Ghazkuul wrote: CrownAxe wrote: Ghazkuul wrote:Crown you try "rolling your feet" while wearing full battle rattle 
If out of shape high schoolers can roll their feet while carrying 40 lb sousaphones, I think super soldiers in power armor can do it while carrying a bloody map
Thats because all they have to focus on is moving and playing an instrument, it becomes significantly harder when your carrying upwards of 120lbs of military gear including a rifle. Not to mention how wonderfully comfortable body armor is. and then you have to start being hyper vigilant to watch out for ambushes, snipers, IEDs and entangling objects. Not to mention the occasional Camel Spider (or local world equivalent.)
Also I never said anything about SM, im talking about in general 
I'm talking about the 41st millenium. Idk why you are bringing up current era military gear
Because it is equivalent, and as stated many times in the fluff about IG they carry basically the same loads into combat. Also I compared like to like you compared fighting in a war to playing in a marching band.
No I'm looking at the relic, which is something that doesn't inhibit shooting or even melee ability of the person carrying it, which for some reason requires the entire unit to start tip toeing across the battlefield so not to break it. This has nothing to do with war.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 18:10:59
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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There are no rules for the Relic that allow it to break...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 18:12:13
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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Shame really - it would be fun if you could pull a 'If I can't have it, no one can!'
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/29 18:17:18
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I am reading the part about Moving the Relic and there is everything written.
First: @CrownAxe there is written that Relic is fragile.
Second: Turbo-boost isn't running so you can do it, however you are still not allowed to move more than 6" in any phase. So max 6" in psychic (levitation or smth), then max 6" in the movement, then max 6" in the shooting and then max 6" in assault (charge or consolidation or smth). You can use any rules for movement (battle-focus, or smth) but you cannot move more than 6" per phase. That is all what rule is telling us.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/30 05:06:41
Subject: Relic and Flat Out
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Yellin' Yoof
Southern Indiana
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What Danyboy said, 6" a phase, however many phases you can.
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DieHard 40K player. Primary Army: Goff/Deffskull Orks 18,000+ pts (And Growing Still, slowly)
Secondary army: Mentor Legion Space Marines, 4000 or so (heading for about 7-8000)
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