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Does the Ravenwing strike force require you to deploy entirely in reserve if you have any flyers? The strike as one rule makes everyone go in reserves for an auto turn 2 arrival or deploy normally. So what about flyers, which have to start in reserve?

How do Flyers normally deploy?

They can't deploy normally, unless maybe you have a skyshield. Or you could say their "deployment" is into reserves, but that seems gamey.

If you can't keep them in reserves while everyone else deploys though, a ravenwing strike force army with flyers can never be a stand alone force, which I think was not a design feature.

What are you using to support your claims that '... deployed as normal...' means deployed on the table?

So your claim is that a flyer in reserve is "deployed"?


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Have you read the rule? Would you say that it allows a ravenwing strike force to deploy on the board turn one and keep its flyers in reserve? I'm trying to get a useful answer.

As far as I read it, if you get any flyers everyone must be in reserves. Probably not the intention, but as we know GW isn't the best one to look up for rules mismatching before releasing a book.

HWIPI: Only the flyers must be in reserves.

Its pretty clear to me if you want flyier everyone goes in reserve. If you dont want flyier its your choice.
I dont see how thats a flaw on GW "poor" rules writting.

 Silverthorne wrote:

If you can't keep them in reserves while everyone else deploys though, a ravenwing strike force army with flyers can never be a stand alone force, which I think was not a design feature.

They're not alone in that... Legion of the Damned have the same issue, which has yet to be errataed, so would seem to be intentional.

sangheili wrote:
Its pretty clear to me if you want flyier everyone goes in reserve. If you dont want flyier its your choice.
I dont see how thats a flaw on GW "poor" rules writting.

because "deploying normally" for a flier is deploying from reserves

If your going to take planes, take the silence squadron. The planes don't really benefit from the strike force.

just take 2 ravenwing strike forces - one deployed one in reserves

 chaosmarauder wrote:
just take 2 ravenwing strike forces - one deployed one in reserves

Depends how RAW your play group is - You can't take two Sammael, and he's the only legal option for the HQ slot.

 Quanar wrote:

 chaosmarauder wrote:
just take 2 ravenwing strike forces - one deployed one in reserves

Depends how RAW your play group is - You can't take two Sammael, and he's the only legal option for the HQ slot.

Which is easily disproven by the fact the Ravenwing detachment has 3 HQ slots...

 FlingitNow wrote:

 Quanar wrote:

 chaosmarauder wrote:
just take 2 ravenwing strike forces - one deployed one in reserves

Depends how RAW your play group is - You can't take two Sammael, and he's the only legal option for the HQ slot.

Which is easily disproven by the fact the Ravenwing detachment has 3 HQ slots...

How does that disprove Sammael is the only legal HQ choice?

 Happyjew wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

 Quanar wrote:

 chaosmarauder wrote:
just take 2 ravenwing strike forces - one deployed one in reserves

Depends how RAW your play group is - You can't take two Sammael, and he's the only legal option for the HQ slot.

Which is easily disproven by the fact the Ravenwing detachment has 3 HQ slots...

How does that disprove Sammael is the only legal HQ choice?

Because there are 3 HQ slots not the one you are claiming.

 FlingitNow wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

 Quanar wrote:

 chaosmarauder wrote:
just take 2 ravenwing strike forces - one deployed one in reserves

Depends how RAW your play group is - You can't take two Sammael, and he's the only legal option for the HQ slot.

Which is easily disproven by the fact the Ravenwing detachment has 3 HQ slots...

How does that disprove Sammael is the only legal HQ choice?

Because there are 3 HQ slots not the one you are claiming.

Try again, happy never claimed that. Happy correctly stated there is only one legal OPTION for the HQ slot. Which is undeniably true in the aural written rules, which are as far as we know the intended rules the authors meant to write.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

 Quanar wrote:

 chaosmarauder wrote:
just take 2 ravenwing strike forces - one deployed one in reserves

Depends how RAW your play group is - You can't take two Sammael, and he's the only legal option for the HQ slot.

Which is easily disproven by the fact the Ravenwing detachment has 3 HQ slots...

How does that disprove Sammael is the only legal HQ choice?

Because there are 3 HQ slots not the one you are claiming.

Try again, happy never claimed that. Happy correctly stated there is only one legal OPTION for the HQ slot. Which is undeniably true in the aural written rules, which are as far as we know the intended rules the authors meant to write.

Nope you are claiming you can only ever take 1 HQ in a Ravenwing Detachment but the Ravenwing detachment explicitly tells you that you can take 3. One and three are different numbers.

Crazy Jay wrote:
If your going to take planes, take the silence squadron. The planes don't really benefit from the strike force.

That's the thing though, having them automatically come in turn 2 is pretty sweet. Especially since you can slot FW flyers into the formation. It's not worth it if the force all has to reserve though, since then your black knights can't assault till turn 3


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sangheili wrote:
Its pretty clear to me if you want flyier everyone goes in reserve. If you dont want flyier its your choice.
I dont see how thats a flaw on GW "poor" rules writting.

You don't think it's weird that a pure ravenwing strike force army with flyers automatically loses the game? I do.

 FlingitNow wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

 Quanar wrote:

 chaosmarauder wrote:
just take 2 ravenwing strike forces - one deployed one in reserves

Depends how RAW your play group is - You can't take two Sammael, and he's the only legal option for the HQ slot.

Which is easily disproven by the fact the Ravenwing detachment has 3 HQ slots...

How does that disprove Sammael is the only legal HQ choice?

Because there are 3 HQ slots not the one you are claiming.

Try again, happy never claimed that. Happy correctly stated there is only one legal OPTION for the HQ slot. Which is undeniably true in the aural written rules, which are as far as we know the intended rules the authors meant to write.

Nope you are claiming you can only ever take 1 HQ in a Ravenwing Detachment but the Ravenwing detachment explicitly tells you that you can take 3. One and three are different numbers.

From the Ravenwing Strike Force detachment in Codex Dark Angels:

RESTRICTIONS:
All units in this Detachment must have the Ravenwing special rule.

There is only one HQ choice in the codex that has the Ravenwing special rule, and he is a special character and therefore also has the Unique special rule.

 FlingitNow wrote:

Nope you are claiming you can only ever take 1 HQ in a Ravenwing Detachment but the Ravenwing detachment explicitly tells you that you can take 3. One and three are different numbers.

I'm not sure what you think that proves.

If I have room in my garage for three cars, but I only have 1 car, how many of my cars can I park in my garage?

Having 3 HQ slots doesn't change the fact that there is only 1 unit available to fill them.


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 Silverthorne wrote:


You don't think it's weird that a pure ravenwing strike force army with flyers automatically loses the game? I do.

Of course it's weird. Just as weird as a pure LotD force automatically losing the game.

Doesn't change the fact that it's how the rules currently work. If you want to not automatically lose, you need to either take something else alongside them, or change the rules.

It looks like my use of the term HQ Slots has confused some people. By HQ Slots I mean the number of HQ choices I am allowed to take. I am allowed to take 3 HQ choices in the Ravenwing Strike Force, not the 1 people are claiming here.

So if I ask you how many HQ choices can I legally take in a Ravenwing Strike Force detachment you HAVE to answer three by RaW. If your interpretation results in a different answer it is not RaW.

Re-read the posts you replied to, and your own replies. You were putting words in other people's mouths.

There are three HQ slots but there is only one legal HQ choice that can be taken, which may only ever fill one of those slots. You quite clearly claimed that the fact there are three HQ slots somehow means that Sammael is not the only legal choice, which is very clearly and simply incorrect.

Trying to change your definition of the words you used is meaningless when you at best misunderstood what people said, or at worst tried to misrepresent what they were saying.

Slots = choices. If you're saying there is only 1 HQ choice you are disagreeing with the Ravenwing detachment rules.

I never misunderstood what they were saying or misrepresented it. You are allowed to make 3 HQ choices for a Ravenwing detachment RaW. Not 1 as people have claimed.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Slots = choices. If you're saying there is only 1 HQ choice you are disagreeing with the Ravenwing detachment rules.

I never misunderstood what they were saying or misrepresented it. You are allowed to make 3 HQ choices for a Ravenwing detachment RaW. Not 1 as people have claimed.

OK so you have 3 slots. No one disagrees with this.

You take Sammael as the first choice, he has both the Ravenwing and Unique rules.

What do you take in the second slot?

ItsPug wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
Slots = choices. If you're saying there is only 1 HQ choice you are disagreeing with the Ravenwing detachment rules.

I never misunderstood what they were saying or misrepresented it. You are allowed to make 3 HQ choices for a Ravenwing detachment RaW. Not 1 as people have claimed.

OK so you have 3 slots. No one disagrees with this.

You take Sammael as the first choice, he has both the Ravenwing and Unique rules.

What do you take in the second slot?

I don know RaW breaks at that point so you can't use it.

It doesn't break. You simply don't have anything to user to fill any more slots.

 FlingitNow wrote:

ItsPug wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
Slots = choices. If you're saying there is only 1 HQ choice you are disagreeing with the Ravenwing detachment rules.

I never misunderstood what they were saying or misrepresented it. You are allowed to make 3 HQ choices for a Ravenwing detachment RaW. Not 1 as people have claimed.

OK so you have 3 slots. No one disagrees with this.

You take Sammael as the first choice, he has both the Ravenwing and Unique rules.

What do you take in the second slot?

I don know RaW breaks at that point so you can't use it.

It doesnt break, but you cant take another HQ as there are no legal choices, which was Quanar's point when he wrote...

 Quanar wrote:
Depends how RAW your play group is - You can't take two Sammael, and he's the only legal option for the HQ slot.

And then you argued he was incorrect

 FlingitNow wrote:

I never misunderstood what they were saying or misrepresented it. You are allowed to make 3 HQ choices for a Ravenwing detachment RaW. Not 1 as people have claimed.

So you misunderstood what people were saying. Because what they were saying is that despite having three slots, they can only legally field a single HQ, because they only have one option and that option is a unique character.

 insaniak wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

I never misunderstood what they were saying or misrepresented it. You are allowed to make 3 HQ choices for a Ravenwing detachment RaW. Not 1 as people have claimed.

So you misunderstood what people were saying. Because what they were saying is that despite having three slots, they can only legally field a single HQ, because they only have one option and that option is a unique character.

Which is incorrect you can legally field 3 HQ choices in a Raveneing Detachment RaW.

 FlingitNow wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

I never misunderstood what they were saying or misrepresented it. You are allowed to make 3 HQ choices for a Ravenwing detachment RaW. Not 1 as people have claimed.

So you misunderstood what people were saying. Because what they were saying is that despite having three slots, they can only legally field a single HQ, because they only have one option and that option is a unique character.

Which is incorrect you can legally field 3 HQ choices in a Raveneing Detachment RaW.

If you can legally field 3 HQ choices please enlighten us as to what they are, just fill in the blanks
1) Sammael
2)...
3)...

If you cant then you are incorrect and you only have the option to field 3 HQ choices, but can only legally field 1.