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Definitely a great ship to pull and Lakota was the ship I was predicting. I hope that phaser upgrade comes in a retail pack because it is the perfect thing against fighters. I am going to try and go to lots of events because this ship will be going for big $$ on ebay.

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 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
Yep the Ugraded Phasers are awesome and every faction needs similar cards. Mr baldrick there is an addition crit for torpedo boats


Upgraded Phasers meta changing? Hardly. Depends on your meta. Obviously, the reviewer plays in an area with lots of Attack Squadrons (Fighters). For my area, there are 1-2 people that play with fighters, but the rest play "real" ships. If your opponent doesn't have fighters, you just paid +3 SP for +1 attack dice. You could have just taken a bigger ship for that.

What really blows my mind is the use of Tactical Stations, Upgraded Phasers and Type 8 Phaser Refit on this ship. Both cards add attack dice, but do not change the Primary Weapon Value of the ship. Combine that combo with Capt. Ahab Picard, and you could potentially be rolling five (actually six, but Capt Ahab Picard) attack dice in a 180 degree arc with two guaranteed [Crit]'s- all for the price of one Aux token and a disable. That's pretty good if you ask me.

Some of the replies on Facebook have been... interesting? to read. People gushing about how great Micro-Power Relays are. I'll give you that it's a good repair card for the price, but it's nothing we haven't seen before. I'd also argue that such a card is meaningless when we are seeing ships roll 6-8 attack dice consistently and with conversions. Meaning that you might not ever even get a chance to use this card, and if you ever get in a position to use it, consider very, very carefully the use of that action. I could totally see this card being used as a "filler" card for another card/action/ability that makes you discard another card.

The ship itself... well, flying bathtub comes to mind. At least it has a 180 fire arc, but those hard red turns... yuck. Great ability for a crit. Just means Pavel Checkov will probably be the main crew upgrade added to this ship. He's the one that removes an Aux Token when you make a white maneuver. Too bad the Fed's don't have a Romulan Helmsmen, eh? Disable to make a red maneuver a white maneuver instead.

I can't see myself playing this ship on a regular basis. As a blind ship, it's pretty good. The best card in this blind is the Upgraded Phasers, and I can totally see taking a small, more maneuverable ship (like, OMG! A Raven!) with the sole purpose of hunting down fighters. It was a surprising choice in this Blind, and I really expected a Galaxy class.

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Also, I love the fact that they snuck Tuvok in, so now we can put him on our Excelsiors

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 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Definitely a great ship to pull and Lakota was the ship I was predicting. I hope that phaser upgrade comes in a retail pack because it is the perfect thing against fighters. I am going to try and go to lots of events because this ship will be going for big $$ on ebay.


We've seen very few "good" cards go cross faction. I get the feeling Upgraded Phasers, just like the Type 8 Phaser Refit, will probably be limited to Fed, and it'll be a long time, if ever, we see comparable cards in other factions. For now, we'll just have to suck up the SP's for putting it on a non-fed ship.

The eBay prediction could very well be true though. People will want multiple copies of Upgraded Phasers. Two ships with 'em will pretty much nullify a fighter stack. As the recipient of a six attack die shot last night in "Year of Hell" from some Hideki fighters, yeah, I can see the hate. "wasting" my 6 attack dice and 5 attack dice on them to remove one stack was hard to swallow (I was running a Scimitar and MU Ent-D).

My prediction is that the Scorpion fighters are going to be just as outrageous as the fighters we've seen so far (cloaking fighters? /shudder...) making this card a "must take".

As a side note... have fighters ruined the game? /ponder

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 Tamwulf wrote:
Combine that combo with Capt. Ahab Picard, and you could potentially be rolling five (actually six, but Capt Ahab Picard) attack dice in a 180 degree arc with two guaranteed [Crit]'s- all for the price of one Aux token and a disable. That's pretty good if you ask me.



Picard 8 does not add an attack die. You roll -1 attack die and add a crit to your roll and get +1 defense die. Essentially he sets a die to a crit.


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 Tamwulf wrote:

We've seen very few "good" cards go cross faction. I get the feeling Upgraded Phasers, just like the Type 8 Phaser Refit, will probably be limited to Fed, and it'll be a long time, if ever, we see comparable cards in other factions. For now, we'll just have to suck up the SP's for putting it on a non-fed ship.


Try reading the card, Type 8 Phasers is not "Fed only". It is 3 points on a non Fed ship. Systems Upgrade is Fed only.

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 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
 Tamwulf wrote:
Combine that combo with Capt. Ahab Picard, and you could potentially be rolling five (actually six, but Capt Ahab Picard) attack dice in a 180 degree arc with two guaranteed [Crit]'s- all for the price of one Aux token and a disable. That's pretty good if you ask me.



Picard 8 does not add an attack die. You roll -1 attack die and add a crit to your roll and get +1 defense die. Essentially he sets a die to a crit.


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 Tamwulf wrote:

We've seen very few "good" cards go cross faction. I get the feeling Upgraded Phasers, just like the Type 8 Phaser Refit, will probably be limited to Fed, and it'll be a long time, if ever, we see comparable cards in other factions. For now, we'll just have to suck up the SP's for putting it on a non-fed ship.


Try reading the card, Type 8 Phasers is not "Fed only". It is 3 points on a non Fed ship. Systems Upgrade is Fed only.


I'd say read my replies again, where I said you would roll one less attack die for Picard 8- "... rolling five (actually six, but Capt Ahab Picard) attack dice..." Also, I never said Type 8 Phasers are Fed only. I said "we'll just have to suck up the SP's for putting it on a non-fed ship.". As in, you'll have to pay the out of faction cost of +1 SP for putting it on a non-Federation ship.

Come on Mr. S. Baldrick! What gives?

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 Tamwulf wrote:

Upgraded Phasers meta changing? Hardly. Depends on your meta. Obviously, the reviewer plays in an area with lots of Attack Squadrons (Fighters). For my area, there are 1-2 people that play with fighters, but the rest play "real" ships. If your opponent doesn't have fighters, you just paid +3 SP for +1 attack dice. You could have just taken a bigger ship for that.


Your venue may be an exception rather then the rule, but fighters are a big deal in many venues. Also 3 points for +1 attack die, all the time, is totally worth it. Upgraded phasers and Type 8 phasers bring ships like the Defiant, Reliant, Constitution, Constelation classes, and Excelsiors back from the dead. These ships were almost never seen on the table in the past year and a half. These upgrades will have them on the table.

Ok you say just take a bigger ship, well sometimes that is not always a better option. If i put Type 8 Phaser on the USS enterprise it becomes a 24 point ship. if I go bigger um... that is a generic Nebula with a worse dial, or a generic Excelsior with a worse dial and less attack. So there are benefits to upgrading as smaller ship. It is just now that we are getting the upgrades to get them in the fight.


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 Tamwulf wrote:
I get the feeling Upgraded Phasers, just like the Type 8 Phaser Refit, will probably be limited to Fed,


Looks like you say it's fed only to me.


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 Tamwulf wrote:

Some of the replies on Facebook have been... interesting? to read.



I really liked the guy who said he wanted the Lakota so he could run an all Excelsior fleet. Um... nothing stops him from doing that now. Yeah one ship doesn't have a named ability, but that isn't a huge deal.

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Ya know, my meta must be VASTLY different from yours. I mean, last night, we had 12 players at OP Year of Hell, and only 2 people brought fighters. Now, Romulan Cloaked Mines on the other hand... yeah, one guy had 4 of them on the table last night. I was in the minority with a fleet having no Mines or Fighters. I must be doing something right though. I walked away with a Bellerphon. /shrug

I'm all for the Phaser Upgrade- mainly for what you said. It brings back a lot of ships that you don't usually see (though I see a LOT of NX Enterpizes, Ent-E, Excellisors, and Defiants and now, Promethiuses in my meta). I'm already thinking about an Equinox build with Upgraded Phasers and other fun stuff.

I think bigger ships are better simply for the reason that smaller ships can be one shot'ed fairly easy. Maneuver dials don't matter much until after the initial joust as you come about to joust again. At that point, a smaller ship has the advantage, unless the big ship has a 360 or aft attack. My preferred builds are Alpha Strike builds that destroy the smaller ships before they can become a factor later in the game. To ignore a small ship early means you will have to deal with it later, and you might not be able to due to crits and a (usually) inferior maneuver dial.

When I said "...limited to Fed", I meant that only the Federation Faction will have the Phaser Upgrade. We'll probably never see a Phaser Upgrade card for Romulans, Dominion, Klingon, etc. Not that it is a "Federation Only" upgrade, just that it will be a card with the Federation Faction on it.

At one of the other venues I play at, it's ship pure, which means ONLY the Federation ships will be able to use this card. For that store, Phaser Upgrade will have a hufe impact for Fed players, but not so much for anyone else (except those that play with Fighters against a Fed Fleet with Phaser Upgrades). At my FLGS, we play cross faction, but again, we haven't seen the rise of Fighters as much as other places. It's all mines... mines for as far as you can see...

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 Tamwulf wrote:

When I said "...limited to Fed", I meant that only the Federation Faction will have the Phaser Upgrade. We'll probably never see a Phaser Upgrade card for Romulans, Dominion, Klingon, etc. Not that it is a "Federation Only" upgrade, just that it will be a card with the Federation Faction on it.


I see, I apologize for the misunderstanding .

The Romulans got a boost with some good weapon upgrades in the Haakona, but aside from them the other factions are hurting a big for viable anti fighters options. The Dominion and I believe MU have the forward weapons grid, but the way you have to divide the dice makes that weapon very lack luster. The Borg have the named sphere but that is one ship, though i feel no pity for the borg


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I think bigger ships are better simply for the reason that smaller ships can be one shot'ed fairly easy. Maneuver dials don't matter much until after the initial joust as you come about to joust again. At that point, a smaller ship has the advantage, unless the big ship has a 360 or aft attack. My preferred builds are Alpha Strike builds that destroy the smaller ships before they can become a factor later in the game. To ignore a small ship early means you will have to deal with it later, and you might not be able to due to crits and a (usually) inferior maneuver dial.


I certainly agree that the big ships have more survivability, but putting decent upgrades on them to give them defense and attack often runs up against the 50 point limit. With some of the new upgrades (ie. from the Hood mostly) we are seeing cheap ways to make small ships survivable and have some punch. Take the Ent E and Prometheus, They are already 30 or more points, with captain and a few upgrades you are close to the limit. On a smaller ship you might only be at 4 attacks instead of 5 but you can fit more defense.

What I like with upgrades we are seeing recently is that there are now more options to get other ships into the game where as before you wouldn't even consider some of the smaller ships.

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Tamwulf.....wait until the scorpion fighters arrive, there will be more fighters in your meta soon

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 Tamwulf wrote:

As a side note... have fighters ruined the game? /ponder


I wouldn't say they have ruined the game, but like the Borg they have left a bad taste in people's mouths because 1) they are really good for their points and 2) they contrast with theme in that they are way over represented in the game from what we saw on screen.

For 20 points even generics are a steal. Compare fighters to what else you can get for 20 pts.

For feds you could go with a naked Reliant or Equinox, a generic Constitution/constellation.

Klingons a naked B'Rel, or G'Oth and Somraw with torps.

Dominion an Attack Ship.

Romulans have some cheap BoP that can fit torps and still have defense.

Vulvans could take a generic Suurok, but why would you want to?

Kazon could take a naked Nistrim Raider... ok nobody should ever do this.


So when you look at the other 20 point options they all stand a decent chance of being one shotted and apart from the B'Rel have very little chance of doing any damage in return. Fighters on the other hand can stay in the fight until down to one token and absorb tones of damage. Even if down to one token they can fly off to deny point while you tackle the rest of the fleet. Not to mention they are more maneuverable than all the above.

It will be interesting to see where fighters go after Cold War gets started the 90 points restriction makes it tough to fit more than one in and the possibility of the Phaser upgrade spreading makes them less appealing. Face it if someone has two ships with that you could loose a whole squad before they can attack.

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I strongly suspect there will be fighter-specific counter cards on the horizon to severely limit their appeal. I think whilst they're here to stay, the current power/pts appeal will be neutered via multiple shot/debilitating upgrades and certain new release ships.



 
   
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Well they were fine when it was just a resource, except when Borg were involved But then came the releases and you could take 2 with 2 4 hull ships, kinda sucked.

With this new card it'll be awesome, you may see 1 but I doubt 2.

Romulan Disruptor pulse is also a very good anti squadron weapon


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I don't know what to say I really don't fething know....,,

FETH you wizkids

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1pL_cR_ITeE

Mirror vorcha

Go to hell wizkids now mirror has access to 2 Klingon large class cruisers

Wow just wow some really good cards here, you got to be kidding me?

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I'm not upset, but definitely confused as to why this ship and its captain are MU. Personally I don't think MU needed another heavy hitter, they have Target Prime/Ent D and Regent's Flagship. But I don't begrudge them another ship either.

Just like with the Prakesh in my Cardassian fleet at home this will join the Klingon Defense Force.

Tomolak wouldn't be bad on the Toh'Kaht.

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I have a prekesh as well, however we moved to faction pure, as I stated in another thread. So this is a slap in the face to me who would rather plY Klingons 9/10'times. I will take back my mean words to wizkids is the next ship is a Vor'cha..... I doubt it

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When we play at home we put the Prakesh in withnthe Cardassians. When i play in OPs its a "when in Rome" sort of thing.


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The Terix also finds its way into my Romulan fleet

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Woooo! Another Mirror Universe ship! I'd actually say this was needed as the MU Enterprse was a prize ship, and very difficult to come by. With that being said, I hate the way The Shipyard does the slow pan of the cards. Stupid, stupid, especially when they don't show the cost of the card. Also, use a better resolution on the camera! Really don't like the grainy images. My final beef- he's OK with spending an action to get a scan token and Aux token, but change your maneuver dial by +\- 1 and it's a red maneuver and he doesn't see the point? LOL

More anti-fighter stuff. Really like that crew card. If you face fighters, he is a God send. Not facing fighters? That's OK. 5 point discard for +2 attack dice is very nice. Combined with some other MU cards... Oh yeah! Very nice. Of course, it's +5 points for +2 extra attack dice (but Tamwulf! Why wouldn't you just get a bigger ship?!?! ). How about a bigger ship AND this card? Booyah! LOL

It's gonna be interesting seeing what these last five blind ships are... Any bets? I still think Vulcan, Borg, Xindi, Independent, and Bajorian.

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I'm astounded by the vor'cha being mirror. It's incredible... That said, perhaps that's because it's a OP ship rather than a retail one and they intend to release the retail one soon.

But, whilst I'm not a klingon player, I'm peeved for the klingon players. It does seem something of a denial.



 
   
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Yeah no crap, probably get a BOP....Hopefully K'vort maybe in this round of ships....but I doubt it it'll be K'Tinga or B'rel Again...cross fingers its not those.



Tamwulf..I dont seem to have grainy problems with his videos, and unless your skipping to the next card so far he does get to the points value on each. the video stated Klingons were next so thats one.


As for predictions Borg assimilated vessel, Andorian, Independant, Frenghi

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That Vor'Cha is a massive slap across the face I feel, much like the last D'Dedrix being Mirror universe only, and The Pasteur... I get that it's not hard to incorporate them in as non-mirror universe, its still insulting to have ships that should really be dual faction come out as Pure Mirror. I was annoyed, but mildly so, when the krenem timeship came out as a dual faction Indy/Mirror. I grew to appreciate it as a dual faction ship, and that was ok. But they seem to have stopped doing that and are nor releasing strictly Mirror universe ships that in essence are exactly what the parent faction NEEDS... and keep flipping a finger to faction pure play. It bugs me a lot...

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 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
Yeah no crap, probably get a BOP....Hopefully K'vort maybe in this round of ships....but I doubt it it'll be K'Tinga or B'rel Again...cross fingers its not those.

Tamwulf..I dont seem to have grainy problems with his videos, and unless your skipping to the next card so far he does get to the points value on each. the video stated Klingons were next so thats one.

As for predictions Borg assimilated vessel, Andorian, Independant, Frenghi


I really don't want to see another Bird of Prey style Klingon ship. Give us some more D3, D5, and D7's!

If you watch his video's full screen in HD, it's pretty obvious he shoots the cards in like, 355 dpi, or he is blowing the cards up so much with his editing software, that it looks like crap. And not true on the points cards. He never showed the cost of Reactor Core. He has done that before in his video's. Cards he doesn't like he doesn't show the cost. It was really bad on the Romulan video. :( You can make a light box for next to nothing and use the f/stop settings on your camera to make the ships look better as well. Out of focus, lack of depth of field, washed out colors... all very bad pictures of the ships.

"But Tamwulf! If you think you could do better, why don't you?" Because Wizkids isn't giving me free stuff to preview. Bring back Teri please! She might have had an annoying voice and prattled on, but the production values of her video's were way, way better.

I'd love to see another Assimilated Borg ship. Andorian? Did they have a ship in Enterprise (the NX-01) show? Was it cool looking? Did it do anything? I agree with you on the Independent. Frenghi, eh? I can see that. I'd welcome it if it's not the same Maurador-class. It is a Maruader, right? I'm not up on the Ferenghi ships... LOL

I guess I'm supposed to watch the video's in a small window.

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 Tamwulf wrote:

I really don't want to see another Bird of Prey style Klingon ship. Give us some more D3, D5, and D7's!


None of these could compete with other ships in the blind. As for B'rels there are alot of them still unaccounted for, I would put it past them. HOPE NOT HOPE NOT......PLEASE NO B'REL's

I guess I missed that he skips the SP on cards he doesn't like...I didn't care some of the same cards. Probably why I didn't notice.

While i agree she did a good job on video, Terigirl knows poop about how to play this game, about half the cards she commented on in depth, I said to myself "what dafaq is she talking about". Althought I ketp my comments to myself, alot of people critizied her openly on the youtube comments I think thats why she stopped.

Andorians had the Kumari (already planned release) and another ship during the last season, when the Vulcans and them almost went to war. They had plenty of screen time for Andorian ships. The Andorians are top notch as well for ENT era, and should be on equal footing as the Vulcans.

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I'd love to see the Columbia and some Telarite ships, as well as some more Romulan Warbirds from ENT-era. And a few ENT Era Klingons (There are a few).

The Ferengi are D'Kora (spelling might be off) Class Starships.

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The Ferengi had a non D'kora ship in Enterprise but I imagine it is too small for a blind. I would like to see Nug's Marauder from Voyager.

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 Corpsman913 wrote:
I'd love to see the Columbia and some Telarite ships, as well as some more Romulan Warbirds from ENT-era. And a few ENT Era Klingons (There are a few).

The Ferengi are D'Kora (spelling might be off) Class Starships.


Klingons had the Somraw already retail. They showed 5 different D5 class ships: Duras IKS Bor'tas, the deuterium raiders had one, and the Augments stole one, and the IKS Qu'vat
and one other during the eugentic virus episdoes.

They also had an unknown battlecruiser design..episode "unexpected", they used a Ktinga model for the CGI, since the D7 and K'Tinga weren't in service yet it could be treated as a D6.

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I personally really enjoy 'trueflight silverwing's' reviews of ships, I'd love to see him given the previews to talk about. I find his knowledge both ingame and inlore to be very good.



 
   
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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I personally really enjoy 'trueflight silverwing's' reviews of ships, I'd love to see him given the previews to talk about. I find his knowledge both ingame and inlore to be very good.


I really am surprised that he didn't get the gig. Nothing against David but the trueflight guy has been doing his videos since the game was released and there is very little he hasn't covered. David does a good job from what I have seen. I haven't noticed any problems with the point values or picture. The only issue I have had is the sound seems very low in them, but that might be my old ears

I much prefer him to Terri. Her style was not for me.

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I much prefer him to Terri. Her style was not for me.


Nor me, and no offense to her at all, but I found the intro with the squeely musik and her super-enthusiasm wore me out. It was professionally done and she seems to be a great person, but I found her style more suited to perhaps a movie review or music.



 
   
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I think she said her husband did all the editing work. She said in one video that was his line of work. Yeah was done well and she seems nice, just too loud and flashy for my taste.

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Insectiod Ship is up Not a Blind but figured it still had to do with TCW.

Looks neat like NX-ENT it will be good for Era play altough That crew may find play in mixed faction fleets where meta has alot of super defense federation

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