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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/13 15:12:56
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Yes, I'm sure this topic has been discussed plenty of times before, but I wanted to discuss it.
How are people's sex lives in the 41st millennium? Now I've only read the Eisenhorn trilogy and haven't delved into much else (need to get through Ravenor at some point), but it does give some insight. Bequin is a "pleasure girl" (or a prostitute as we'd call them today), and Eisenhorn reveals he lost his virginity at 16 to a maid in the Scholam.
I also remember someone pointing out somewhere that Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM, slept with a Sororita (because he's so badass).
So I've been thinking, this is actually pretty damn liberal. I would have thought that with the threat of Slaanesh influence, the Imperium would want to enforce a Nineteen Eighty-Four-esque "breed more humans for us but you'd better not enjoy it!" approach. But of course, I also realise that it would be nearly impossible to police sex lives on a galactic scale.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/13 15:28:31
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Angered Reaver Arena Champion
Connah's Quay, North Wales
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The High Lords of Terra know they actually have very little control over the worlds of the Imperium. Most worlds are so far from Terra it's a Myth, and many worlds are beyond that.
So, the Lords basically live by the creed of if they Worship the Emperor in one way or the other, and they pay their tithes, the governing of their planet is up to them. As such, Getting laid is the Provence of the planet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 02:40:48
Subject: Re:Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Depends where you hail from. If your world provides troops, you better be currently pregnant or currently doing your best to amend that situation.
In the more over-burdened worlds, I imagine there are practical limitations imposed.
But considering the amount of truly fethed up things in 40K, Dark Eldar, chaos cultists, etc... Your regular every day bedroom shuffle is not going to get you inducted into the Slaaneshi Hall of Fame any time soon.
Hell, even EL James isn't going to register on the scale.
We often make the mistake of comparing the 40K ecclesiarchy directly with the restrictive views of some modern religions - many sexual practises, views, etc were/are frowned upon here, for reasons that simply wouldn't translate into the Imperial Creed, and would therefore be ignored.
I suspect that monogomy, marriage, homosexuality, etc. would be treated with different attitudes to our own, depending on the world in which they're encountered.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 03:13:52
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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I would imagine that like the 20th century authoritarian regimes from which the Imperium is derived, sexual promiscuity & breeding would be actively encouraged....
Dat birth rate doe....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 04:39:25
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Gnawing Giant Rat
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Two words: Adeptus Herpes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 04:47:55
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
Sweden
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Went to space in search for STC but all I got was STD?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 04:55:02
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Gnawing Giant Rat
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My heresy brings astartes to the yard
But they don't make it, 'cause random charge
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 06:07:37
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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The Imperium only gives a damn about you worshiping the Emperor. They don't even care if it originally was the Emperor, but so long as you agree that the sky god you were worshiping before is the GEOM, the Imperium ceases to give a feth about you unless you stop paying the tithe.
Your sexuality? They couldn't give less of a damn.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 11:03:28
Subject: Re:Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Hallowed Canoness
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Buttery Commissar wrote:
But considering the amount of truly fethed up things in 40K, Dark Eldar, chaos cultists, etc... Your regular every day bedroom shuffle is not going to get you inducted into the Slaaneshi Hall of Fame any time soon.
Hell, even EL James isn't going to register on the scale.
Nah, EL James would get noticed by Slaanesh... when Tzeentch points her out for a lark, because watching Slaanesh facepalm is funny.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 11:22:58
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Powerful Spawning Champion
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"How's the family? "
"Belligerent and numerous."
"Good man"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 11:39:51
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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This is unanswerable. It completely depends on individual worlds and on individual cultures on that world.
The higher levels of Imperial government couldn't care less about such trivialities. Pay the tithe, be loyal, worship the God-Emperor. Everything else is up to you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 12:05:48
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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As others have said, it would depend entirely on the world and how sex is viewed there.
I'll just point out:
Sturmtruppen wrote:
I also remember someone pointing out somewhere that Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM, slept with a Sororita (because he's so badass).
That wasn't actually Cain, he just caught two fellow Schola teachers going at it. An Administratum Clerk(?) and a Sororita, I beleive. There was also reported flirting between the commissariat and sororitas novitiates.
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Psienesis wrote:I've... seen things... you people wouldn't believe. Milk cartons on fire off the shoulder of 3rd-hour English; I watched Cheez-beams glitter in the dark near the Admin Parking Gate... All those... moments... will be lost, in time, like tears... in... rain. Time... to die.
"The Emperor points, and we obey,
Through the warp and far away."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 12:12:07
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Orlando
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Other notable fluff hookups, Jak Draco hooks up with a Calidus Assassin in his entourage. I think it depends on the planet or even the city and the individual, just like here it depends on the country/city and the individual.
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If you dont short hand your list, Im not reading it.
Example: Assault Intercessors- x5 -Thunder hammer and plasma pistol on sgt.
or Assault Terminators 3xTH/SS, 2xLCs
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 12:13:01
Subject: Re:Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Humble Guardsman wrote:As others have said, it would depend entirely on the world and how sex is viewed there.
I'll just point out:
Sturmtruppen wrote:
I also remember someone pointing out somewhere that Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM, slept with a Sororita (because he's so badass).
That wasn't actually Cain, he just caught two fellow Schola teachers going at it. An Administratum Clerk(?) and a Sororita, I beleive. There was also reported flirting between the commissariat and sororitas novitiates.
Ah, thank you, I stand corrected.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 12:30:39
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
Netherlands
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Two words: Max Decarus.
For those who don't know, it's the series of 1d4chan [MOD EDIT - PLEASE FIND ANOTHER WAY TO EXPRESS YOURSELF - ALPHARIUS] named "Heretical love" with protagonist imperial guardsman Max Decarus sleeping with pretty much every single species in the galaxy save tyranids and kroots. It's kind of softporn in its description though so some people might not appreciate it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 12:54:18
Subject: Re:Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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I'd imagine sex in 40k is about the same as it is in real life, although possibly with more shlaneesh.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 13:16:44
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Sturmtruppen wrote:Yes, I'm sure this topic has been discussed plenty of times before, but I wanted to discuss it.
How are people's sex lives in the 41st millennium? Now I've only read the Eisenhorn trilogy and haven't delved into much else (need to get through Ravenor at some point), but it does give some insight. Bequin is a "pleasure girl" (or a prostitute as we'd call them today), and Eisenhorn reveals he lost his virginity at 16 to a maid in the Scholam.
I also remember someone pointing out somewhere that Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM, slept with a Sororita (because he's so badass).
So I've been thinking, this is actually pretty damn liberal. I would have thought that with the threat of Slaanesh influence, the Imperium would want to enforce a Nineteen Eighty-Four-esque "breed more humans for us but you'd better not enjoy it!" approach. But of course, I also realise that it would be nearly impossible to police sex lives on a galactic scale.
At the rate our society seems to be accepting alternative sexual behaviors, I would not be suprised that on many worlds in a genere like Grim Dark Sci-fi, anything goes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 19:46:31
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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All depends on the individual planet and whoever the local Ecclesiarchy leader is. Some planets will be extremely open and liberal, others will not be. Abnett makes mention of gay characters in a few places in the Eisenhorn and Ravenor books, but no especial mention beyond that fact is made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 20:03:51
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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I wouldn't say society so much accepts divergent behavior as crams it roughly down your throat. Hey, MTV!
I'd say given the existence of Slaanesh half the Imperium is probably teetering uncontrollably near the edge. Even just enjoying perfectly natural intercourse puts you in grave danger, and most of the Imperium is unaware so...
By the way "perfectly natural" in this instance is taken to mean "the sex you have with the person you love". Just to put the kaibosh on any of that baloney before it starts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 20:41:02
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Normal sex doesn't attract the attention of Slaanesh, not to any significant degree. Perversion and vice? That's the ticket of She Who Thirsts.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 20:57:43
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Well I dunno about that. Slaanesh is also a pleasure god and he does get at least some jimmies from normal pleasure. I suppose what I was trying to say is that even the smallest weakness can be exploited, no matter where it comes from, and thus people would have to be very careful. But then again, since the IoM keeps things hush hush, you would never realize that sex with your partner could potentially open up your mind to daemonic invasion and so I'd wager that almost all the Imperium is tainted to some degree. After all, that's the power of Chaos, its not the endless waves of uber villains and mind bending phantasmal spectres that devour pure life essense that makes Chaos so deadly. Its the seemingly innocent niggling in the back of your mind that seems so logical, so reasonable and yet if you listen to it, you are doomed, often without realizing it. That is what makes Chaos such an unbeatable foe.
In total, sex in the 41st Millennium is probably about as explored as it gets. No unplowed fields there. Now if things were a little different? If the average citizen knew that thinking about a good boff could send his soul into a very real and very inescapable hell then maybe we would have something to discuss. Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I'd like to question the very nature of this topic, sex in 40k, and its actual relevance to wargaming background.
I have always believed that Sci-Fi and Fantasy are children's genres, in the vein of CS Lewis to be exact. These genres are perfect for young minds and provide a safe hypothetical playground for developing necessary human traits like empathy, hope and courage. I can't recall how many times I've felt a relationship with a fictional character because we shared the same flaws, I honestly can't. Now why would an adult continue to be entertained and even inspired by children's literature? Well because I'm grown up now and I can read a lot more into these things than I could when I was a lad. A simple journey to destroy an evil magic ring became an expression of the human spirit. A story about an abused Wolf became a tale of the human condition. I could go on.
The point is that with these genres we can take a good long look at situations we might otherwise shy away from. The setting provides us with insulation, we know we are reading fiction, the setting is so otherworldly it cannot be ignored. And yet we can put these heavy problems in that setting and we can view them objectively if we choose. There is less personal conflict when viewing a topic in this manner and thus we are able to come to a more honest opinion within ourselves about it. This is the true value of Sci-Fi and Fantasy, not HBO ratings. Books have always been a vehicle for thought, but I say Sci-Fi and Fantasy more so, and with much broader and more lasting appeal. Harry Potter anyone? Who is going to forget that guy in the next hundred years? No one.
So that's my take on the value of imaginative fiction. Now when I see a topic like this "sex and 40k" I can't really believe that this discussion is worth having. What's the relevancy to wargaming background? In what way does this discussion contribute to our understanding of the 40k setting and thus to our own understanding of ourselves?
I'm wagering there could be some room for fruitful debate, but a good part of me has written this off as spank fuel for weirdos. If you wanna think about certain blue gimps doing it for the greater good I'm sure there is a forum out there for that specifically. /b/ cough cough...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 21:50:53
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Also, I'd like to question the very nature of this topic, sex in 40k, and its actual relevance to wargaming background.
This is the Background Forum, which has less to do with the table-top game and more the science-fantasy dystopia it is set in which is not, taken in whole, really intended for children. This is, after all, a setting where a fusion of the Spanish Inquisition and the Third Reich are the "good guys".
Whether or not the topic can have fruitful debate is not your call to make. Don't like it? Don't read it.
To the OP: The Imperium is too large, too varied, to enforce the measure of control as seen in 1984. What with Paradise Worlds, Feral Worlds, and all the other types of worlds in between, there's simply no way to enact such levels of control.
And, frankly? The HLoT don't care. It's obviously not a problem, since worlds with the highest birth-rates aren't suddenly exploding into Slaaneshi daemon-worlds, nor are the resort-like Paradise Worlds. It, obviously, takes a lot more to get Slaanesh interested.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 23:23:54
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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This is the crux of the matter. Slaanesh isn't just about pleasure. It's about excess. It'll be more like having cannibalistic orgies whilst mutilating each other and themselves sort of thing and then trying to top that next time. Slaanesh doesn't stop. Always more, always more twisted and perverse, and generally spreading into other areas (like sex and violence as I mentioned).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/14 23:40:16
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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The Dark Gods are more interested in each other and the Great Game than in mortal affairs, which are incredibly dull in their eyes.
It takes something real grand to draw the notice of the Dark Gods, slaughter, plague, change, perversion etc. on an unprecedented scale. To receive this attention, even for just a second, is the ultimate goal of every mortal Chaos worshipper, for it usually means elevation to deamonhood and immortality.
That is not to say lesser deamons won't take an interest in you, but the gods themselves don't show any interest in all but the most powerful of mortals, and even then only rarely.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/15 00:22:26
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Hallowed Canoness
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Just as an aside, A Thousand Sons has a canonical lesbian couple who are just accepted without fanfare as well, for those looking for Great Crusade-era standards.
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/15 19:22:44
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Don't like it don't read it? Hardly the rally cry of a open minded community.
I'm just questioning the validity of the contribution in regards to our understanding of the setting. Which by the way, you seem to have summed up succinctly. I disagree that Chaos takes no notice of mankind in his trivial moments. Maybe not Slaanesh himself, but surely there is a host of lesser creatures scanning the warp waves for any sign of someone enjoying their missionary position a little too much. At any rate I highly doubt that sexuality is given any real consideration in the 41st millennium. Not to say that it is unimportant or not part of the story, I'm not stonewalling because I don't think sexuality has a place in the setting. I'm just asking why this is important at all.
I mean what significance would it have at all if a character had a sex life? Why would we, as readers of the books, be at all interested in that? Why would it even need to be brought up unless it was crucial to the story?
I'm not against telling real stories with real characters, but I have to ask... Are we injecting this theme into the story for the sake of the story or for the sake of the theme?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/15 19:28:45
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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It goes back to something Douglas Adams wrote in "So Long and Thanks for All the Fish!":
Douglas Adams wrote:“This Arthur Dent," comes the cry from the furthest reaches of the galaxy, and has even now been found inscribed on a mysterious deep space probe thought to originate from an alien galaxy at a distance too hideous to contemplate, "what is he, man or mouse? Is he interested in nothing more than tea and the wider issues of life? Has he no spirit? has he no passion? Does he not, to put it in a nutshell, f*ck?”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/17 01:15:02
Subject: Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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darkcloak wrote:I mean what significance would it have at all if a character had a sex life? Why would we, as readers of the books, be at all interested in that? Why would it even need to be brought up unless it was crucial to the story?
When not brought up as shock value?
It's another bullet in the gun to show they have a human side. Mentioning a favourite hat, a fondness for animals, propensity for drinking expensive wine... These aren't crucial to a plot, but they help illustrate who somebody is.
I'm not in the league of any BL authors, but I put (allusions to) sex in my stories to show that character is capable of connecting with people around them. That they have vices, can be distracted, or hell, just like having fun. It's part of painting the society around them at the time, how it's handled, as well.
For example, if inquisition are pious and above many temptations, showing what "lesser" men and women are tempted by...
I'm not saying we should all start reading actual bolter porn, but sex isn't a huge deal when introduced to a setting, it's an unavoidable part of world building.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/17 13:33:09
Subject: Re:Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Hellacious Havoc
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Is this really a thread?!  whats next taking a dump in the 41st century? its a fictional world based around warfare and bloodshed
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/17 14:58:07
Subject: Re:Getting laid in the 41st millennium
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Crimson Heretic wrote:Is this really a thread?!  whats next taking a dump in the 41st century? its a fictional world based around warfare and bloodshed
There are no stupid questions. Only stupid answers.
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