9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.

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**The Airman**

Frazzled wrote:
And it gets a little weirder
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ahmed-mohamed-clock-bomb-media-narrative-ian-tuttle

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/092215-772291-did-muslim-clock-boy-perpetrate-hoax.htm

Yeah this can't possibly be Kosher. The kid is bright but it looks like his family exploited him for fame. Of course the counter salvos to this are "He's just a kid!" And "You're just a conspiracy theorist!". If the family is smart they'll avoid even talking about these accusations and continue on their merry way.

**Relapse**

The Airman wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
And it gets a little weirder
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ahmed-mohamed-clock-bomb-media-narrative-ian-tuttle

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/092215-772291-did-muslim-clock-boy-perpetrate-hoax.htm

Yeah this can't possibly be Kosher. The kid is bright but it looks like his family exploited him for fame. Of course the counter salvos to this are "He's just a kid!" And "You're just a conspiracy theorist!". If the family is smart they'll avoid even talking about these accusations and continue on their merry way.

That's a pisser if true, but I think at this stage of the game a prudent person would take those accusations as a springboard for research in finding the truth before damning the family as opportunists.

**Aszubaruzah Surn**

Taking in account the weapon hysteria in American schools, I doubt it's linked to Islam.

We're talking about a country where schools get put on lockdown because of a nerf gun.

Wonder if white kids who get arrested for having toys which in no way can be mistaken for real weapons got a meeting with president and un...

**Grey Templar**

So now the family is suing the get the clock back.

I have to ask why?

**Relapse**

Aszubaruzah Surn wrote:
Taking in account the weapon hysteria in American schools, I doubt it's linked to Islam.

We're talking about a country where schools get put on lockdown because of a nerf gun.

Wonder if white kids who get arrested for having toys which in no way can be mistaken for real weapons got a meeting with president and un...

Hell, there was a kid that got arrested at school for wearing an NRA t shirt.

**Bookwrack**

Frazzled wrote:
And it gets a little weirder
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ahmed-mohamed-clock-bomb-media-narrative-ian-tuttle

Weirder in only that the writer is an amazing moron. You have to be pretty fething stupid to buy into the 'it was a setup' narrative, because that depends on either the cops and school being in on it, or using his super-Islam-Powers, Ahmed mind-mushed them into behaving the way they did.

That, and again, the writer is an idiot, or possibly sprung fully formed from a pod and was never a kid himself. The fact that it was not something he built himself from base components is not the great mystery requiring engineering analysis that they think it was. For one thing, Ahmed repeatedly said this was something he threw together in 10-20 minutes, because why not? At fourteen, taking apart a clock, putting it somewhere else and having it still work would be something I thought was pretty damn cool too. One time, I took a calculator apart and did my best to see how far I could stretch the internals out and how much I could disconnect before it stopped working, and the end results were pretty cool looking, but golly, wires and components everywhere. If I'd done that in the back of the room during a particularly boring class, it would've looked a hell of a lot more like a bomb in progress than this.

*edit*
I mean, c'mon, we're on a wargaming board! Go over to the painting subforum and look at how many threads you have of full grown men saying, 'hey! check out this thing I done!' It's the exact same impulse.

**Frazzled**

The Airman wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
And it gets a little weirder
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ahmed-mohamed-clock-bomb-media-narrative-ian-tuttle

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/092215-772291-did-muslim-clock-boy-perpetrate-hoax.htm

Yeah this can't possibly be Kosher. The kid is bright but it looks like his family exploited him for fame. Of course the counter salvos to this are "He's just a kid!" And "You're just a conspiracy theorist!". If the family is smart they'll avoid even talking about these accusations and continue on their merry way.

Yes. Having said that, even assuming its a vast conspiracy that matters only right to the point the PoPo show up. Then Operation Stupid As A Box of Rocks kicks in.

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Grey Templar wrote:
So now the family is suing the get the clock back.

I have to ask why?

Wait, what?

**Co'tor Shas**

Grey Templar wrote:
So now the family is suing the get the clock back.

I have to ask why?

Maybe it was a good clock?

**motyak**

And to be fair, Western society, and particularly American society, has a reputation for being quite litigious. So is it really a surprise someone's going to court over something? I mean that wouldn't even rate in the top 100 odd lawsuits of the year I imagine, suing over a clock?

**-Shrike-**

motyak wrote:
And to be fair, Western society, and particularly American society, has a reputation for being quite litigious. So is it really a surprise someone's going to court over something? I mean that wouldn't even rate in the top 100 odd lawsuits of the year I imagine, suing over a clock?

Well, it sounds odd to me because I thought I read several days ago that they could just walk in and pick it up, they just hadn't done so yet. That said, yes, America has a reputation for lawsuits, so it's not exactly surprising.

**kronk**

motyak wrote:
And to be fair, Western society, and particularly American society, has a reputation for being quite litigious.

Take that back or I'll sue for libel!

**Bookwrack**

Well, if that were the case, then a lawsuit would be dead in the water right at the get go. Is there any source actually stating that this is happening, because:

"We're suing to get that clock back!"
"Here you go. You could've picked it up at any time."
"Well, that was a waste of time and money."

On the other hand, if the police are refusing to return it, the lawsuit is again putting a spotlight on just what a bunch of bumbling morons the cops and city are. What excuse would they use for why they're holding onto it?

It's evidence?

**Grey Templar**

Yahoo is saying they're suing to get the clock back. I should have linked it. Anyway, I can't fathom why, its a piece of junk. Go play with all the free crap that Microsoft sent you.

**Psienesis**

Because it's not the school's or the police's property to hold onto. It's the principle of the matter.

**Grey Templar**

It could easily still be considered evidence. Sure, they might not have the right to hold it anymore, but throwing a fit over $6 of material is really petty.

**d-usa**

I'm guessing that if the police confiscated some piece of junk pistol of yours and refused to give it back to you even though you didn't commit any kind of crime, you would sue to get it back even if random companies send you all kinds of guns and accessories.

But I guess some people are now okay with LE just picking up whatever they want and keeping it just because.

**WrentheFaceless**

Yea, not going to subscribe to the tinfoil hat conspiracy theroies.

Probably the same people that though the US was invading Texas with that Jade helm thing.

**Bookwrack**

Grey Templar wrote:
It could easily still be considered evidence.

...

Evidence of what?

**Frazzled**

d-usa wrote:
I'm guessing that if the police confiscated some piece of junk pistol of yours and refused to give it back to you even though you didn't commit any kind of crime, you would sue to get it back even if random companies send you all kinds of guns and accessories.

But I guess some people are now okay with LE just picking up whatever they want and keeping it just because.

I actually agree with D-USA. They're committing petty (ok really petty) theft.

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Bookwrack wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
It could easily still be considered evidence.

...

Evidence of what?

Evidence of both gross and minor stupidity.

**Grey Templar**

Bookwrack wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
It could easily still be considered evidence.

...
Evidence of what?

I'm not sure if the case is still open or not. If its still technically going through the system it would still be evidence.

Just playing a little Devils Advocate here.

I'm guessing that if the police confiscated some piece of junk pistol of yours and refused to give it back to you even though you didn't commit any kind of crime, you would sue to get it back even if random companies send you all kinds of guns and accessories.

Even a junk pistol is still going to be worth some money. This clock is worth jack squat. Plus I have a right to own a gun, I don't have a right to own a clock. If we're gonna be super technical.

Really, they should give it back. But if I were in their position I wouldn't care about the clock.

**-Shrike-**

I suppose if the case were still open they would probably hold onto the clock, but I don't know how these things work in the US.

(Although the case really should be closed by now, anyway.)

**Grey Templar**

The bane of sanity is bureaucracy.

**whembly**

Decent summary so far??
Did Muslim 'Clock Boy' Perpetrate Hoax?

Security: After a Muslim teen was arrested for bringing what looked like a bomb to school, police were ripped for "overreacting." Supporters insisted he "invented" a clock for a "project." But his only invention was the story.

Turns out that 14-year-old Ahmed Mohamed of Irving, Texas, never invented a clock, and had no reason to bring the suspicious-looking device to school. But everyone from Mark Zuckerberg to President Obama was fooled by what appears to have been a hoax designed to muster sympathy for Muslims accused of terrorism, while putting police on their heels and undermining the "see something, say something" directive for citizen vigilance. Here's the real story:

• There was no "school project" or science assignment to justify Mohamed bringing the device to school .

• Just three weeks into his freshman year, Mohamed was no "science whiz well-known by high school teachers for tinkering."

• The "clock" wasn't made from scratch but just the guts of a mass-manufactured digital clock, complete with AC cord and 9-volt backup battery connection.

• With its exposed wires and lack of a face, the gutted clock looked like a bomb. It also sounded like a bomb: The alarm was set to go off during English class; the beeping startled the teacher who called police.

• When police questioned Mohamed, he wasn't cooperative and was described as "disrespectful."

• The police chief said the device was "intended to create a level of alarm; in other words, a hoax bomb."

• Mohamed's Sudanese father — a Muslim political activist involved in previous Muslim grievances — reportedly asked the cops to re-handcuff his son — so his daughter could take the photo that went viral.

• Mohamed tweeted: "Thank you fellow supporters. We can ban together to stop this racial inequality."

• The family's spokesperson is the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a terror-tied group that in 2006 sued US Airways for kicking several Muslim activists off a flight for behaving suspiciously and rattling passengers — a stunt that looks eerily similar.

Still, the Mohamed family is headed not only to the White House, but also the United Nations, where Ahmed will be held up as the poster boy of "Islamophobia." A vacation in Saudi Arabia will follow after the family collects some $10,000 in crowdfunding.

Given Mohamed's suspicious behavior and his father's agenda, Obama's expression of support is premature and inappropriate.

The real big fething red flag, if true, is that dad wanted the cops to re-cuff his son to take a kodak moment.

Everything here stinks to high heavens here...

**cincydooley**

#TiredofAhmed

Let's get this gak trending.

**agnosto**

whembly wrote:
Decent summary so far??
Did Muslim 'Clock Boy' Perpetrate Hoax?

Security: After a Muslim teen was arrested for bringing what looked like a bomb to school, police were ripped for "overreacting." Supporters insisted he "invented" a clock for a "project." But his only invention was the story.

Turns out that 14-year-old Ahmed Mohamed of Irving, Texas, never invented a clock, and had no reason to bring the suspicious-looking device to school. But everyone from Mark Zuckerberg to President Obama was fooled by what appears to have been a hoax designed to muster sympathy for Muslims accused of terrorism, while putting police on their heels and undermining the "see something, say something" directive for citizen vigilance. Here's the real story:

• There was no "school project" or science assignment to justify Mohamed bringing the device to school .

• Just three weeks into his freshman year, Mohamed was no "science whiz well-known by high school teachers for tinkering."

• The "clock" wasn't made from scratch but just the guts of a mass-manufactured digital clock, complete with AC cord and 9-volt backup battery connection.

• With its exposed wires and lack of a face, the gutted clock looked like a bomb. It also sounded like a bomb: The alarm was set to go off during English class; the beeping startled the teacher who called police.

• When police questioned Mohamed, he wasn't cooperative and was described as "disrespectful."

• The police chief said the device was "intended to create a level of alarm; in other words, a hoax bomb."

• Mohamed's Sudanese father — a Muslim political activist involved in previous Muslim grievances — reportedly asked the cops to re-handcuff his son — so his daughter could take the photo that went viral.

• Mohamed tweeted: "Thank you fellow supporters. We can ban together to stop this racial inequality."

• The family's spokesperson is the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a terror-tied group that in 2006 sued US Airways for kicking several Muslim activists off a flight for behaving suspiciously and rattling passengers — a stunt that looks eerily similar.

Still, the Mohamed family is headed not only to the White House, but also the United Nations, where Ahmed will be held up as the poster boy of "Islamophobia." A vacation in Saudi Arabia will follow after the family collects some $10,000 in crowdfunding.

Given Mohamed's suspicious behavior and his father's agenda, Obama's expression of support is premature and inappropriate.

The real big fething red flag, if true, is that dad wanted the cops to re-cuff his son to take a kodak moment.

Everything here stinks to high heavens here...

How dumb would the cops have to be to do that? Real dumb, that's how dumb. I'll call BS on that just out of the sheer hope that the people policing the streets aren't that stupid.

**The Airman**

I find it kinda strange that people are quick to dismiss criticism of this whole event. There are a number of questions that still need to be answered: pay attention to number six.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/23/6-unanswered-questions-about-ahmed-mohameds-clock/

In the best scenario he and his family are liars, then it gets pretty nasty the further down you go. I've noticed that some if the criticism of this case involves some tasteless comments on Islam, and that's definitely unwarranted. Though apparently we are all conspiracy theorists if we call bs? Alrighty then.

**Bookwrack**

Well, yes. As I pointed out that you do have to be pretty fething stupid to buy into the arguement you're trying to make, because it involves either supersekkritMoooslemmindcontrol powers to make it work, or else everyone is in on it. Otherwise, it just doesn't work.

whembly wrote:
Decent summary so far??
Did Muslim 'Clock Boy' Perpetrate Hoax?

Security: After a Muslim teen was arrested for bringing what looked like a bomb to school, police were ripped for "overreacting." Supporters insisted he "invented" a clock for a "project." But his only invention was the story.

Turns out that 14-year-old Ahmed Mohamed of Irving, Texas, never invented a clock, and had no reason to bring the suspicious-looking device to school. But everyone from Mark Zuckerberg to President Obama was fooled by what appears to have been a hoax designed to muster sympathy for Muslims accused of terrorism, while putting police on their heels and undermining the "see something, say something" directive for citizen vigilance. Here's the real story:

• There was no "school project" or science assignment to justify Mohamed bringing the device to school .

• Just three weeks into his freshman year, Mohamed was no "science whiz well-known by high school teachers for tinkering."

• The "clock" wasn't made from scratch but just the guts of a mass-manufactured digital clock, complete with AC cord and 9-volt backup battery connection.

• With its exposed wires and lack of a face, the gutted clock looked like a bomb. It also sounded like a bomb: The alarm was set to go off during English class; the beeping startled the teacher who called police.

• When police questioned Mohamed, he wasn't cooperative and was described as "disrespectful."

• The police chief said the device was "intended to create a level of alarm; in other words, a hoax bomb."

• Mohamed's Sudanese father — a Muslim political activist involved in previous Muslim grievances — reportedly asked the cops to re-handcuff his son — so his daughter could take the photo that went viral.

• Mohamed tweeted: "Thank you fellow supporters. We can ban together to stop this racial inequality."

• The family's spokesperson is the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a terror-tied group that in 2006 sued US Airways for kicking several Muslim activists off a flight for behaving suspiciously and rattling passengers — a stunt that looks eerily similar.

Still, the Mohamed family is headed not only to the White House, but also the United Nations, where Ahmed will be held up as the poster boy of "Islamophobia." A vacation in Saudi Arabia will follow after the family collects some $10,000 in crowdfunding.

Given Mohamed's suspicious behavior and his father's agenda, Obama's expression of support is premature and inappropriate.

The real big fething red flag, if true, is that dad wanted the cops to re-cuff his son to take a kodak moment.

Everything here stinks to high heavens here...

Only if you're actually gullible enough to believe that. Seriously, I've read your posts, I know you're usually a pretty smart guy... so what's your explanation here?

*edit*
The point being, you linked some random tinfoil hat article, and the bit you highlighted... right, so the photo was totall posed, but the cop in the background, none of the people present for it, the ones who have been getting hammered over it for a week, said anything about it? All you've got is an unsourced bullet point that some whackadoodle decided sounded like a good conspiracry theory.

C'mon dude, use a little critical thinking...

**whembly**

Bookwrack wrote:
Well, yes. As I pointed out that you do have to be pretty fething stupid to buy into the arguement you're trying to make, because it involves either supersekkritMoooslemmindcontrol powers to make it work, or else everyone is in on it. Otherwise, it just doesn't work.

whembly wrote:
Decent summary so far??
Did Muslim 'Clock Boy' Perpetrate Hoax?

Security: After a Muslim teen was arrested for bringing what looked like a bomb to school, police were ripped for "overreacting." Supporters insisted he "invented" a clock for a "project." But his only invention was the story.

Turns out that 14-year-old Ahmed Mohamed of Irving, Texas, never invented a clock, and had no reason to bring the suspicious-looking device to school. But everyone from Mark Zuckerberg to President Obama was fooled by what appears to have been a hoax designed to muster sympathy for Muslims accused of terrorism, while putting police on their heels and undermining the "see something, say something" directive for citizen vigilance. Here's the real story:

• There was no "school project" or science assignment to justify Mohamed bringing the device to school .

• Just three weeks into his freshman year, Mohamed was no "science whiz well-known by high school teachers for tinkering."

• The "clock" wasn't made from scratch but just the guts of a mass-manufactured digital clock, complete with AC cord and 9-volt backup battery connection.

• With its exposed wires and lack of a face, the gutted clock looked like a bomb. It also sounded like a bomb: The alarm was set to go off during English class; the beeping startled the teacher who called police.

• When police questioned Mohamed, he wasn't cooperative and was described as "disrespectful."

• The police chief said the device was "intended to create a level of alarm; in other words, a hoax bomb."

• Mohamed's Sudanese father — a Muslim political activist involved in previous Muslim grievances — reportedly asked the cops to re-handcuff his son — so his daughter could take the photo that went viral.

• Mohamed tweeted: "Thank you fellow supporters. We can ban together to stop this racial inequality."

• The family's spokesperson is the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a terror-tied group that in 2006 sued US Airways for kicking several Muslim activists off a flight for behaving suspiciously and rattling passengers — a stunt that looks eerily similar.

Still, the Mohamed family is headed not only to the White House, but also the United Nations, where Ahmed will be held up as the poster boy of "Islamophobia." A vacation in Saudi Arabia will follow after the family collects some $10,000 in crowdfunding.

Given Mohamed's suspicious behavior and his father's agenda, Obama's expression of support is premature and inappropriate.

The real big fething red flag, if true, is that dad wanted the cops to re-cuff his son to take a kodak moment.

Everything here stinks to high heavens here...

Only if you're actually gullible enough to believe that. Seriously, I've read your posts, I know you're usually a pretty smart guy... so what's your explanation here?

*edit*
The point being, you linked some random tinfoil hat article, and the bit you highlighted... right, so the photo was totall posed, but the cop in the background, none of the people present for it, the ones who have been getting hammered over it for a week, said anything about it? All you've got is an unsourced bullet point that some whackadoodle decided sounded like a good conspiracry theory.

C'mon dude, use a little critical thinking...

Dude...

The po po cannot divulge much information because he's a minor.

That's why I highlighted it and prefaced my comment with "if true".

**Bookwrack**

whembly wrote:

That's why I highlighted it and prefaced my comment with "if true".

And I pointed out why it was absolutely not true, and reinforced it with how much your source failed at meeting the 'exceptional claims require exceptional evidence' standard. Or any evidence. Not an anonymous source, not one of the school office staff, and not one hint of such an explosive revalation has appeared anywhere, except behind that particular bullet point. It doesn't contribute much to go looking for the most outregeous lies you can find, and try and defend them by saying, 'IF true...'

We might as well start asking if this was just a trial by ISIL commandos who have snuck across the border from Mexico.

**Kanluwen**

Grey Templar wrote:
Bookwrack wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
It could easily still be considered evidence.

...
Evidence of what?

I'm not sure if the case is still open or not. If its still technically going through the system it would still be evidence.

Just playing a little Devils Advocate here.

It would need to be tied to a crime in order for it to legally be evidence.

Otherwise, it has no business being entered into evidence.

I'm guessing that if the police confiscated some piece of junk pistol of yours and refused to give it back to you even though you didn't commit any kind of crime, you would sue to get it back even if random companies send you all kinds of guns and accessories.

Even a junk pistol is still going to be worth some money. This clock is worth jack squat. Plus I have a right to own a gun, I don't have a right to own a clock. If we're gonna be super technical.

Really, they should give it back. But if I were in their position I wouldn't care about the clock.

Of course it has value. It's something he rebuilt/invented/whatever the hell you want to call it.

And if we're gonna be "super technical", the fact is that you have the "right to bear arms" not simply to "own a gun".