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2015/09/24 21:45:37
Subject: Re:9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
That's why I highlighted it and prefaced my comment with "if true".
And to amend my previous post, I was also pointing out the fact that I've seen you evicerate with scalpel like dexterity posts that tried to slip such factually absent sources into the arguement, so why was this one was getting a pass?
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2015/09/24 23:06:48
Subject: Re:9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
That's why I highlighted it and prefaced my comment with "if true".
And I pointed out why it was absolutely not true, and reinforced it with how much your source failed at meeting the 'exceptional claims require exceptional evidence' standard. Or any evidence. Not an anonymous source, not one of the school office staff, and not one hint of such an explosive revalation has appeared anywhere, except behind that particular bullet point. It doesn't contribute much to go looking for the most outregeous lies you can find, and try and defend them by saying, 'IF true...'
We might as well start asking if this was just a trial by ISIL commandos who have snuck across the border from Mexico.
And you don't think, the multitude of police officers or school officials stopped to think that this was over board?
That's why I highlighted it and prefaced my comment with "if true".
And to amend my previous post, I was also pointing out the fact that I've seen you evicerate with scalpel like dexterity posts that tried to slip such factually absent sources into the arguement, so why was this one was getting a pass?
Because of what we know taken collectively doesn't pass the smell test.
Especially when the Mayor has asked the family to allow the po po to release the official details in this matter that would largely exonerate the po po.
Yet... the family refuses.
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2015/09/24 23:16:05
Subject: 9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
"What we know taken collectively" is that the mayor in this town has found herself a goldmine of favor with her voter base, Texans who feel that "dem foreigners" are out to get them.
The only thing that isn't passing the smell test here is her response.
This garbage about how "there was one-sided reporting of the interaction between Mohammed and police, saying that they are unable to release records because Mohammed is a juvenile and his family has refused to allow it."(good to see you're still fawning over Glenn Beck, Whembly!) is nonsense. The family doesn't have to allow records to be released, not simply because they have something to hide but because there is absolutely no fething reason for records to be released period.
2015/09/24 23:18:31
Subject: 9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
"What we know taken collectively" is that the mayor in this town has found herself a goldmine of favor with her voter base, Texans who feel that "dem foreigners" are out to get them.
The only thing that isn't passing the smell test here is her response.
This garbage about how "there was one-sided reporting of the interaction between Mohammed and police, saying that they are unable to release records because Mohammed is a juvenile and his family has refused to allow it."(good to see you're still fawning over Glenn Beck, Whembly!) is nonsense. The family doesn't have to allow records to be released, not simply because they have something to hide but because there is absolutely no fething reason for records to be released period.
Uh... Glenn who?
Ah.. the whole, "politicians are only doing this to drum up support" argument.
Whatever man.
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2015/09/24 23:27:53
Subject: Re:9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
Especially when the Mayor has asked the family to allow the po po to release the official details in this matter that would largely exonerate the po po.
Yet... the family refuses.
The statement was made by Mayor Beth Van Duyne on Glenn Beck's "TheBlaze" TV. She insists that if the records were released, they would show that Mohamed was "non-responsive" and "passive-aggressive" responding to police officers' questions.
Guess what? Legally, Mohamed DID NOT HAVE TO RESPOND TO THOSE QUESTIONS UNTIL A PARENT, GUARDIAN, OR LAWYER WERE PRESENT.
So him being "non-responsive" is absobloodylutely meaningless.
And considering that this mayor was a supporter of the following state bill?
Yes. I can say "the whole politicians are only doing this to drum up support" in this case. She knows that this was an overreach but if she admits it, it won't play well to the "dem Mooslims gonna blow up our town!" mouthbreathers that elected her in the first place.
But please. Keep pretending that there is something more ominous afoot. It's hilarious to see how far you bend to try to explain this as justifiable.
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2015/09/24 23:32:07
Subject: 9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
My, that's a constructive post whembly. Try not to just blow off other users when they raise points. If you disagree with it and your only response is "whatever man", it's better to just not respond than spam the forum with a meaningless post.
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2015/09/24 23:34:52
Subject: Re:9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
For me, the media reaction is awfully similar to the early stages to the Michael Brown fiasco. We'd get a media-blitz for two days with opinions and whathaveyous... then... a practical embargo.
With that many people involved, all that way from the School teachers, administrators, police and even government officials... something doesn't add up.
Otherwise, the insinuation is that EVERYONE there is one big islamophobe. Is that your angle too?
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motyak wrote: My, that's a constructive post whembly. Try not to just blow off other users when they raise points. If you disagree with it and your only response is "whatever man", it's better to just not respond than spam the forum with a meaningless post.
I setup myself up to that as I'm somehow the conservative pinata... and I'd posit that characterizing kan's post as "mayor "x" is only doing this to drum up support" argument as hogwash a bit more than a simple spam. I'll try to be more verbose next time.
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2015/09/24 23:45:18
Subject: Re:9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
whembly wrote: Okay then... your statement is duly noted.
For me, the media reaction is awfully similar to the early stages to the Michael Brown fiasco. We'd get a media-blitz for two days with opinions and whathaveyous... then... a practical embargo.
Yeah, the media reaction is awfully similar.
Everywhere but the Conservative side of the fence is making it clear that "something is amiss--and it isn't strictly on the individual who is being suspected of a crime" while the Conservative side of the fence is slinging mud at the suspect.
With that many people involved, all that way from the School teachers, administrators, police and even government officials... something doesn't add up.
You're absolutely right that "something doesn't add up".
That something is why in the world he was ever suspended from school or removed from his classroom to begin with.
Otherwise, the insinuation is that EVERYONE there is one big islamophobe. Is that your angle too?
I have no "angle".
I'm looking at this through the lens of someone who has planned on going into law enforcement and as someone who has a working knowledge of an individuals' rights and what you can/cannot do with someone who you have not arrested, have not charged, and have absolutely no reason to even be TALKING TO without a parent/guardian or their designated legal representative present.
Also, you understand that "Islamophobia" is not the same thing as "racism", right? Someone can be an Islamophobe without being a racist. So not quite sure why you try to act as though it's the same thing...
And quite frankly?
Yes. It is Islamophobia. If his name had been John Black and he was Spanish(as in "From Spain" Spanish) or Portugese but privately converted to Islam, do you really think that this would have been a thing?
2015/09/24 23:54:19
Subject: Re:9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
And quite frankly?
Yes. It is Islamophobia. If his name had been John Black and he was Spanish(as in "From Spain" Spanish) or Portugese but privately converted to Islam, do you really think that this would have been a thing?
Are you trying to say this kid is the only one to have been busted by the cops because of some stupid thing the school didn't approve of?
2015/09/25 06:20:54
Subject: Re:9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
whembly wrote: Okay then... your statement is duly noted.
For me, the media reaction is awfully similar to the early stages to the Michael Brown fiasco. We'd get a media-blitz for two days with opinions and whathaveyous... then... a practical embargo.
Yeah, the media reaction is awfully similar.
Everywhere but the Conservative side of the fence is making it clear that "something is amiss--and it isn't strictly on the individual who is being suspected of a crime" while the Conservative side of the fence is slinging mud at the suspect.
With that many people involved, all that way from the School teachers, administrators, police and even government officials... something doesn't add up.
You're absolutely right that "something doesn't add up".
That something is why in the world he was ever suspended from school or removed from his classroom to begin with.
Otherwise, the insinuation is that EVERYONE there is one big islamophobe. Is that your angle too?
I have no "angle".
I'm looking at this through the lens of someone who has planned on going into law enforcement and as someone who has a working knowledge of an individuals' rights and what you can/cannot do with someone who you have not arrested, have not charged, and have absolutely no reason to even be TALKING TO without a parent/guardian or their designated legal representative present.
Also, you understand that "Islamophobia" is not the same thing as "racism", right? Someone can be an Islamophobe without being a racist. So not quite sure why you try to act as though it's the same thing...
And quite frankly?
Yes. It is Islamophobia. If his name had been John Black and he was Spanish(as in "From Spain" Spanish) or Portugese but privately converted to Islam, do you really think that this would have been a thing?
Sure, the detainment was unjust though you have all sorts of nonsense with Zero Tolerance and this one follows in a similar vein. But that still doesn't explain why Ahmed brought this device to school and was showing his teachers (words of Mark Cuban) despite being told not to, or why the device went off in the first place. On top of that we have the blatant media misinformation about this such as he invented the clock, or it was "homemade" and they've. Articles like these seek to dismiss any criticism of the teenager entirely. Hell, he even admits to having it go off in this interview. There are claims that he brought devices to his middle school and I'd like to hear this substantiated.
Could be baseless, but I dunno. Are there any more details on the lawsuit such as seeking damages, etc. aside from getting black the Radioshack digital clock?
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2015/09/25 08:03:43
Subject: 9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
Wow, this is still going on. His 'clock' went off, now? I'm thinking of so many sarcastic and/or facetious comments to make right now but seriously? Is it at all within the realms of possibility that a 9th grader did something remotely sciencey with electronics that he thought was cool and wanted to show his teachers/peers? The only thing i've learned from all this is to be very careful how i eat my poptarts.
2015/09/25 08:25:55
Subject: 9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
Is it at all within the realms of possibility that a 9th grader did something remotely sciencey with electronics that he thought was cool and wanted to show his teachers/peers?
I wouldn't count rehousing an alarm clock as sciencey, but YMMV. It's also irrelevant to the police interrogation, of course, but not to the initial "He's got a bomb!" overreaction.
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2015/09/25 12:43:39
Subject: 9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
Is it at all within the realms of possibility that a 9th grader did something remotely sciencey with electronics that he thought was cool and wanted to show his teachers/peers?
I wouldn't count rehousing an alarm clock as sciencey, but YMMV. It's also irrelevant to the police interrogation, of course, but not to the initial "He's got a bomb!" overreaction.
Not to you and me but a 14 year old doesn't think like a grown adult, because they're kids. You can buy "science kits" online, on Amazon and other places that it's basically just putting something mundane together and calling it science.
This kid probably saw something like this, thought "hey, I have an old digital clock that's busted/we're not using." and threw it all together. I think it's a little sick that people just jump to the conclusion that he has some nefarious end in mind, that shouldn't be an adults first reaction when dealing with a child in my opinion.
If it went off in class, I did much worse in class when I was 14 as a prank and had no thoughts of world domination and all it got me was a stern talking to, not arrested. I was talking about this with a friend and he related that when he was 14ish, he and two friends tossed stink bombs in the school and got detention for a couple of weeks.
Kids do dumb stuff for no apparent reason mainly because they haven't had the negative life experiences yet to learn from their dumb crap. It's called growing up.
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2015/09/25 13:35:02
Subject: Re:9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
whembly wrote: Okay then... your statement is duly noted.
For me, the media reaction is awfully similar to the early stages to the Michael Brown fiasco. We'd get a media-blitz for two days with opinions and whathaveyous... then... a practical embargo.
Yeah, the media reaction is awfully similar.
Everywhere but the Conservative side of the fence is making it clear that "something is amiss--and it isn't strictly on the individual who is being suspected of a crime" while the Conservative side of the fence is slinging mud at the suspect.
With that many people involved, all that way from the School teachers, administrators, police and even government officials... something doesn't add up.
You're absolutely right that "something doesn't add up".
That something is why in the world he was ever suspended from school or removed from his classroom to begin with.
Otherwise, the insinuation is that EVERYONE there is one big islamophobe. Is that your angle too?
I have no "angle".
I'm looking at this through the lens of someone who has planned on going into law enforcement and as someone who has a working knowledge of an individuals' rights and what you can/cannot do with someone who you have not arrested, have not charged, and have absolutely no reason to even be TALKING TO without a parent/guardian or their designated legal representative present.
Also, you understand that "Islamophobia" is not the same thing as "racism", right? Someone can be an Islamophobe without being a racist. So not quite sure why you try to act as though it's the same thing...
And quite frankly?
Yes. It is Islamophobia. If his name had been John Black and he was Spanish(as in "From Spain" Spanish) or Portugese but privately converted to Islam, do you really think that this would have been a thing?
Sure, the detainment was unjust though you have all sorts of nonsense with Zero Tolerance and this one follows in a similar vein. But that still doesn't explain why Ahmed brought this device to school and was showing his teachers (words of Mark Cuban) despite being told not to, or why the device went off in the first place. On top of that we have the blatant media misinformation about this such as he invented the clock, or it was "homemade" and they've. Articles like these seek to dismiss any criticism of the teenager entirely. Hell, he even admits to having it go off in this interview. There are claims that he brought devices to his middle school and I'd like to hear this substantiated.
Could be baseless, but I dunno. Are there any more details on the lawsuit such as seeking damages, etc. aside from getting black the Radioshack digital clock?
From the outset, Ahmed has said that he brought it to school and showed it to a single teacher. That teacher then told him NOT to show it to any other teachers, and from everything that has come out?
He did NOT "show his teachers" the device. The timer went off during an English class, and the teacher reacted as though it were a bomb.
Also, I love how you cite Mark Cuban here. This is the guy whose only proof that "something stinks" is that he CLAIMS he heard the sister telling Ahmed what to say over the phone. If that's proof positive to you that this whole thing was an attempt to attention-grab, than you must also accept that Ahmed's story is true since he said it.
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2015/09/25 13:41:57
Subject: Re:9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
He did NOT "show his teachers" the device. The timer went off during an English class, and the teacher reacted as though it were a bomb.
I wonder if it went off around 12:00? You know... When all alarm clocks which are unplugged go off?
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2015/09/25 22:15:09
Subject: Re:9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
whembly wrote: Okay then... your statement is duly noted.
For me, the media reaction is awfully similar to the early stages to the Michael Brown fiasco. We'd get a media-blitz for two days with opinions and whathaveyous... then... a practical embargo.
Yeah, the media reaction is awfully similar.
Everywhere but the Conservative side of the fence is making it clear that "something is amiss--and it isn't strictly on the individual who is being suspected of a crime" while the Conservative side of the fence is slinging mud at the suspect.
With that many people involved, all that way from the School teachers, administrators, police and even government officials... something doesn't add up.
You're absolutely right that "something doesn't add up".
That something is why in the world he was ever suspended from school or removed from his classroom to begin with.
Otherwise, the insinuation is that EVERYONE there is one big islamophobe. Is that your angle too?
I have no "angle".
I'm looking at this through the lens of someone who has planned on going into law enforcement and as someone who has a working knowledge of an individuals' rights and what you can/cannot do with someone who you have not arrested, have not charged, and have absolutely no reason to even be TALKING TO without a parent/guardian or their designated legal representative present.
Also, you understand that "Islamophobia" is not the same thing as "racism", right? Someone can be an Islamophobe without being a racist. So not quite sure why you try to act as though it's the same thing...
And quite frankly?
Yes. It is Islamophobia. If his name had been John Black and he was Spanish(as in "From Spain" Spanish) or Portugese but privately converted to Islam, do you really think that this would have been a thing?
Sure, the detainment was unjust though you have all sorts of nonsense with Zero Tolerance and this one follows in a similar vein. But that still doesn't explain why Ahmed brought this device to school and was showing his teachers (words of Mark Cuban) despite being told not to, or why the device went off in the first place. On top of that we have the blatant media misinformation about this such as he invented the clock, or it was "homemade" and they've. Articles like these seek to dismiss any criticism of the teenager entirely. Hell, he even admits to having it go off in this interview. There are claims that he brought devices to his middle school and I'd like to hear this substantiated.
Could be baseless, but I dunno. Are there any more details on the lawsuit such as seeking damages, etc. aside from getting black the Radioshack digital clock?
From the outset, Ahmed has said that he brought it to school and showed it to a single teacher. That teacher then told him NOT to show it to any other teachers, and from everything that has come out?
He did NOT "show his teachers" the device. The timer went off during an English class, and the teacher reacted as though it were a bomb.
Also, I love how you cite Mark Cuban here. This is the guy whose only proof that "something stinks" is that he CLAIMS he heard the sister telling Ahmed what to say over the phone. If that's proof positive to you that this whole thing was an attempt to attention-grab, than you must also accept that Ahmed's story is true since he said it.
That's a bit disingenuous as Mark stated he talked to both Ahmed AND the teachers where the teenager allegedly showed each of his teachers, and Ahmed himself said he was told to put it away and plugged it in, where the device went off at a later time inside his bag -- you would know this if you listened to the Al Jazeera interview.
By his own admission he thought the device was suspicious so he pretty much incriminated himself when he caused it to go off in class. I would follow that he or his family set this up to happen, or its a case of a socially inept teenager swapping out cases for a RadioShack clock and brought it to school. I'll definitely admit that teenagers aren't the smartest people on the planet but I'll concede it's a possibility.
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2015/09/25 22:57:04
Subject: 9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
Because the entire situation has nothing to do with the clock and everything to do with using the legal system as a weapon. The fact that the kid ran around showing the clock to multiple teachers until one of them freaked out is pretty damning. Its very similar to anarchists who get themselves arrested for breaking a window at a protest, then use it as a platform to sue a city due to "police abuse." The only difference that it looks more and more like the father set his own son up KNOWING what the possible result was going to be, then had a pre-plan to capitalize on it.
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Is it at all within the realms of possibility that a 9th grader did something remotely sciencey with electronics that he thought was cool and wanted to show his teachers/peers?
I wouldn't count rehousing an alarm clock as sciencey, but YMMV. It's also irrelevant to the police interrogation, of course, but not to the initial "He's got a bomb!" overreaction.
Overreaction being the key word. When people thought it might be a bomb is one thing, but after they found out it wasn't it went downhill from there. "We thought it was a bomb originally" isn't a good excuse for the behaviour that followed, especially the police interrogation. Assuming for a moment that he was doing the wrong thing at every turn, that interrogation would have probably got thrown out and the hypothetically vital information discarded because of how they conducted it. Do you think the family will be more or less inclined to talk about islamaphobia after this incident?
Because the entire situation has nothing to do with the clock and everything to do with using the legal system as a weapon. The fact that the kid ran around showing the clock to multiple teachers until one of them freaked out is pretty damning. Its very similar to anarchists who get themselves arrested for breaking a window at a protest, then use it as a platform to sue a city due to "police abuse." The only difference that it looks more and more like the father set his own son up KNOWING what the possible result was going to be, then had a pre-plan to capitalize on it.
Or they could be pissed that they had done nothing wrong and their son had his new toy illegally stolen off him to boot. You didn't do anything wrong but we're going to help ourselves to something you own. I don't care what the religion, nationality or psychiatric disorder of the parent is, doing the wrong thing while claiming to uphold the law is just wrong.
• Mohamed's Sudanese father — a Muslim political activist involved in previous Muslim grievances — reportedly asked the cops to re-handcuff his son — so his daughter could take the photo that went viral.
Taqiya + kitman = strike a blow to the kuffar.
The father playing politics after the fact doesn't necessarily mean he had instigated the incident. At the end of the day, he and his family did nothing wrong.
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2015/09/26 04:18:20
Subject: 9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
• Mohamed's Sudanese father — a Muslim political activist involved in previous Muslim grievances — reportedly asked the cops to re-handcuff his son — so his daughter could take the photo that went viral.
Taqiya + kitman = strike a blow to the kuffar.
The father playing politics after the fact doesn't necessarily mean he had instigated the incident. At the end of the day, he and his family did nothing wrong.
Might want to go reread the link that Frazz put up a few pages back. Might want to research what "taqiya" and "kitman" are.
Just sayin....not trying to be rude or anything.
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I read the link. I've looked up taqiya and kitman. Arabic words for a concept/practice that is a lot older than arabic i'm guessing. At the end of the day, he brought a clock to school. We can speculate at the intentions until the cows come home, but the reactions were the damning element. He brought a clock to school. I'm not sure if that's better or worse than chewing a poptart into the shape of a gun and then threatening people with it, but this seems to be where we're at at the moment. He brought a clock to school.
2015/09/26 12:24:41
Subject: 9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
Torga_DW wrote: I read the link. I've looked up taqiya and kitman. Arabic words for a concept/practice that is a lot older than arabic i'm guessing. At the end of the day, he brought a clock to school. We can speculate at the intentions until the cows come home, but the reactions were the damning element. He brought a clock to school. I'm not sure if that's better or worse than chewing a poptart into the shape of a gun and then threatening people with it, but this seems to be where we're at at the moment. He brought a clock to school.
Lord help us all if it had been something as dangerous as a calculator.
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2015/09/26 23:28:14
Subject: 9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
Torga_DW wrote: . I'm not sure if that's better or worse than chewing a poptart into the shape of a gun and then threatening people with it, but this seems to be where we're at at the moment. He brought a clock to school.
I hate the poptart 'gun' being brought up constantly. At least you put in that the kid was threatening people with it, which is the real reason that there was discipline enacted.
2015/09/27 00:04:49
Subject: 9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
Torga_DW wrote: . I'm not sure if that's better or worse than chewing a poptart into the shape of a gun and then threatening people with it, but this seems to be where we're at at the moment. He brought a clock to school.
I hate the poptart 'gun' being brought up constantly. At least you put in that the kid was threatening people with it, which is the real reason that there was discipline enacted.
You're right. Totally dangerous. Good thing they did. Thank goodness it wasn't a gun made out of a thumb and pointer finger.
2015/09/27 00:11:41
Subject: 9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
Torga_DW wrote: . I'm not sure if that's better or worse than chewing a poptart into the shape of a gun and then threatening people with it, but this seems to be where we're at at the moment. He brought a clock to school.
I hate the poptart 'gun' being brought up constantly. At least you put in that the kid was threatening people with it, which is the real reason that there was discipline enacted.
You're right. Totally dangerous. Good thing they did. Thank goodness it wasn't a gun made out of a thumb and pointer finger.
Whether it is dangerous or not is irrelevant. It is anti-social behavior. The case is constantly hyped by the right as being about guns and an overreaction when it really is about threatening other people. Had the kid used a french fry as a pretend stake and threatened other kids with it, the response would have been the same and rightly so.
The 'dangerous' part is nothing but a straw man.
2015/09/27 02:50:14
Subject: Re:9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
Part of a threat is the intent to cause harm, and the other part is the capacity to do so. Chewing a poptart into the shape of a deadly weapon does not make it a deadly weapon. And the intent to harm with a poptart also needs to be called into question, given that it was a kid holding what he and everyone else know to be a pistol-shaped soft breakfast food. Treating it like a serious issue is an overreaction. We can't stop violence in the real world, but damnit we can come down hard on any children playing with their food. That'll send a message to everyone.
2015/09/27 12:30:47
Subject: 9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
Torga_DW wrote: . I'm not sure if that's better or worse than chewing a poptart into the shape of a gun and then threatening people with it, but this seems to be where we're at at the moment. He brought a clock to school.
I hate the poptart 'gun' being brought up constantly. At least you put in that the kid was threatening people with it, which is the real reason that there was discipline enacted.
Let's talk about the kid the school had the cops arrest over an NRA shirt that broke no school rule, then, if a kid playing cops and robbers with a pop tart frightens you. Leaving that aside, there are any other number of examples of school administrations and teachers acting stupidly in the name of zero tolerance that have more to do with being a moron than race or religion.
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2015/09/27 15:47:40
Subject: 9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
Torga_DW wrote: . I'm not sure if that's better or worse than chewing a poptart into the shape of a gun and then threatening people with it, but this seems to be where we're at at the moment. He brought a clock to school.
I hate the poptart 'gun' being brought up constantly. At least you put in that the kid was threatening people with it, which is the real reason that there was discipline enacted.
Let's talk about the kid the school had the cops arrest over an NRA shirt that broke no school rule, then, if a kid playing cops and robbers with a pop tart frightens you. Leaving that aside, there are any other number of examples of school administrations and teachers acting stupidly in the name of zero tolerance that have more to do with being a moron than race or religion.
A West Virginia teen arrested and accused of nearly inciting a riot after a confrontation with a teacher over his National Rifle Association t-shirt has inspired dozens of students across his county to wear similar apparel in solidarity.
Jared Marcum, 14, had a confrontation Thursday with a Logan Middle School teacher over his NRA t-shirt, which bears the organization's logo, along with an image of a hunting rifle and the phrase, "Protect your right."
Marcum's lawyer, Ben White, said that when the teen was told to remove the shirt or turn it inside out, he attempted to engage the teacher in a debate.
"Jared respects firearms and has training to use them, and believes in the Second Amendment," White told ABCNews.com. "He believes it's being threatened by current legislation. He wore [the shirt] as an expression of political speech and the need to protect the Second Amendment."
White said that Marcum had been wearing the shirt without causing any problems from homeroom at the beginning of the school day through fifth period, and was confronted by one of the school's teachers while getting his lunch. When Jared refused to remove or reverse the shirt, the teacher began to raise his voice, and it caught the attention of students eating their lunch, White said.
Marcum was eventually arrested and taken away by police after refusing to remove the shirt. White said that when police told the teen they were going to arrest him, he stuck his hands out and said, "Fine."
Logan City Police Chief E.K. Harper told ABCNews.com that Marcum was not arrested for wearing a t-shirt, but for "disrupting the school process."
"His conduct in school almost incited a riot," Harper said.
Marcum was not put in jail, Harper said, and was released to his mother after less than 30 minutes at the police station -- normal procedure for a juvenile arrest.
White said that charges being filed against Marcum are pending the prosecutor's office's review of the evidence. But he insisted that it was the teacher who caused the issue by confronting the teen, and that video gathered from the school will prove it.
"I believe the teacher was acting beyond the scope of his employment," he said. "What the video shows is that students did step up on the benches to the tables in the lunchroom when they were escorting Jared out of building. Kids jumped up, clapping. Teachers said to get off and be quiet, and they did."
Logan county schools' dress code, which is posted online, prohibits clothing and accessories that display profanity, violence, discriminatory messages or sexual language, along with ads for alcohol, tobacco or drugs. There is no mention of the NRA or guns.
"My belief is that if the teacher could have applied some common sense and say, 'I think that violates the dress code. Let me check with the dress code,'" White said.
When contacted by ABCNews.com about the incident, Logan County Schools Superintendent Wilma Zigmond said that she was not at liberty to discuss students with the media, but indicated that more than the shirt led to the arrest.
"I don't think I've ever known of a student being suspended for a shirt," Zigmond said.
On top of his arrest and trip to the police station, Marcum was suspended from school for one day. This morning, he returned to school wearing the same t-shirt, White said.
White accompanied Marcum and his stepfather to a meeting at the school, where the principal, according to White, said that she "hates that it happened" to Marcum.
Logan County students wore NRA t-shirts today in solidarity with Marcum, White said, adding that Marcum is an honor roll student eyeing a career in the military. Zigmond did not mention any disciplinary action during school today.
White is confident that all of the evidence will work in the teenager's favor.
"There's no evidence that Jared almost caused a riot," he said. "They won't be able to produce any evidence to that fact. ... The teacher should have the ability to debate things with students. I don't care how you slice it. ... It was the teacher not acting like an adult. He created the issue."
So no. It was not "He was arrested for wearing a NRA t-shirt", it was his behavior after being told to remove the shirt which violated the dress code that led to his arrest.
Logan county schools' dress code, which is posted online, prohibits clothing and accessories that display profanity, violence, discriminatory messages or sexual language, along with ads for alcohol, tobacco or drugs. There is no mention of the NRA or guns.
Common sense would dictate that a shirt with a rifle and "PROTECT YOUR RIGHT" isn't exactly advocating for peace, now is it?
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2015/09/27 16:11:27
Subject: Re:9th grader arrested on suspicion of bomb-making for showing teacher his home-made clock.
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How is a picture of a gun either a display of profanity or violence? Or a discriminatory message? Its certainly not alcohol, tobacco, or other drugs.
How is advocating for a basic constitutional right any of the above things?
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Torga_DW wrote: . I'm not sure if that's better or worse than chewing a poptart into the shape of a gun and then threatening people with it, but this seems to be where we're at at the moment. He brought a clock to school.
I hate the poptart 'gun' being brought up constantly. At least you put in that the kid was threatening people with it, which is the real reason that there was discipline enacted.
Let's talk about the kid the school had the cops arrest over an NRA shirt that broke no school rule, then, if a kid playing cops and robbers with a pop tart frightens you. Leaving that aside, there are any other number of examples of school administrations and teachers acting stupidly in the name of zero tolerance that have more to do with being a moron than race or religion.
A West Virginia teen arrested and accused of nearly inciting a riot after a confrontation with a teacher over his National Rifle Association t-shirt has inspired dozens of students across his county to wear similar apparel in solidarity.
Jared Marcum, 14, had a confrontation Thursday with a Logan Middle School teacher over his NRA t-shirt, which bears the organization's logo, along with an image of a hunting rifle and the phrase, "Protect your right."
Marcum's lawyer, Ben White, said that when the teen was told to remove the shirt or turn it inside out, he attempted to engage the teacher in a debate.
"Jared respects firearms and has training to use them, and believes in the Second Amendment," White told ABCNews.com. "He believes it's being threatened by current legislation. He wore [the shirt] as an expression of political speech and the need to protect the Second Amendment."
White said that Marcum had been wearing the shirt without causing any problems from homeroom at the beginning of the school day through fifth period, and was confronted by one of the school's teachers while getting his lunch. When Jared refused to remove or reverse the shirt, the teacher began to raise his voice, and it caught the attention of students eating their lunch, White said.
Marcum was eventually arrested and taken away by police after refusing to remove the shirt. White said that when police told the teen they were going to arrest him, he stuck his hands out and said, "Fine."
Logan City Police Chief E.K. Harper told ABCNews.com that Marcum was not arrested for wearing a t-shirt, but for "disrupting the school process."
"His conduct in school almost incited a riot," Harper said.
Marcum was not put in jail, Harper said, and was released to his mother after less than 30 minutes at the police station -- normal procedure for a juvenile arrest.
White said that charges being filed against Marcum are pending the prosecutor's office's review of the evidence. But he insisted that it was the teacher who caused the issue by confronting the teen, and that video gathered from the school will prove it.
"I believe the teacher was acting beyond the scope of his employment," he said. "What the video shows is that students did step up on the benches to the tables in the lunchroom when they were escorting Jared out of building. Kids jumped up, clapping. Teachers said to get off and be quiet, and they did."
Logan county schools' dress code, which is posted online, prohibits clothing and accessories that display profanity, violence, discriminatory messages or sexual language, along with ads for alcohol, tobacco or drugs. There is no mention of the NRA or guns.
"My belief is that if the teacher could have applied some common sense and say, 'I think that violates the dress code. Let me check with the dress code,'" White said.
When contacted by ABCNews.com about the incident, Logan County Schools Superintendent Wilma Zigmond said that she was not at liberty to discuss students with the media, but indicated that more than the shirt led to the arrest.
"I don't think I've ever known of a student being suspended for a shirt," Zigmond said.
On top of his arrest and trip to the police station, Marcum was suspended from school for one day. This morning, he returned to school wearing the same t-shirt, White said.
White accompanied Marcum and his stepfather to a meeting at the school, where the principal, according to White, said that she "hates that it happened" to Marcum.
Logan County students wore NRA t-shirts today in solidarity with Marcum, White said, adding that Marcum is an honor roll student eyeing a career in the military. Zigmond did not mention any disciplinary action during school today.
White is confident that all of the evidence will work in the teenager's favor.
"There's no evidence that Jared almost caused a riot," he said. "They won't be able to produce any evidence to that fact. ... The teacher should have the ability to debate things with students. I don't care how you slice it. ... It was the teacher not acting like an adult. He created the issue."
So no. It was not "He was arrested for wearing a NRA t-shirt", it was his behavior after being told to remove the shirt which violated the dress code that led to his arrest.
Logan county schools' dress code, which is posted online, prohibits clothing and accessories that display profanity, violence, discriminatory messages or sexual language, along with ads for alcohol, tobacco or drugs. There is no mention of the NRA or guns.
His t-shire was fine and fit that policy.
He was arrested because of both the Zero Tolerance crap, and that fact that the teacher escalated the confrontation in front of other students. The teacher should've known better and at the very minimum, non-descreptively asked the student to go to the administrative office to work this out.
Common sense would dictate that a shirt with a rifle and "PROTECT YOUR RIGHT" isn't exactly advocating for peace, now is it?
Wow... your common sense is telling you that protecting your rights connotates violent response?
Whatever happened to simply advocacy?
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