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We know that the Emperor is roughly equivalent to the Chaos Gods in overall might, but where does he fit in the pecking order? For reference, the Big Four are as follows: Khorne on top, followed by Nurgle, with Tzeentch not far behind, and Slaanesh at the bottom (and loving it). Where does Big E fit into this?

He's got all four beat in the age department, born as he was with the beginning of civilization; none of the Ruinous Powers popped into existence until the Middle Ages or so.

In all likelihood, he also has more worshipers than Chaos, though he probably isn't fueled by emotion in the way that Chaos is, so they have a secondary source.

I'm sure the canon doesn't have concrete data on this, so let the speculation commence. I'm of the mind that he is at least more powerful than the Prince of Excess. Probably not stronger than Khorne, due to the sheer amount of war in the galaxy at the moment.

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ITS OVER 9,000!!!!!

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He scared the crap out of them even before he became a warp god, I'd say he's top dog.
   
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 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
ITS OVER 9,000!!!!!

(You should of seen this coming when you titled the thread.)


I did, actually. On certain other sites that I visit, use of the phrase is so ingrained into the local dialect that the reference isn't made anymore.

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 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
ITS OVER 9,000!!!!!


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All propaganda off course, Horus defeated him and he is nowhere to be seen in the warp.

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He was defeated by a slave of a the warp. Which is the same as a Greater Daemon defeating a chaos God.

Skarbrand once tried to attack Khorne. After chipping his armour Khorne sucked the life out of him and threw him into a planet.

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The Emperor-as-Man and the Emperor-as-Warp-God might not be the same person.

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 Psienesis wrote:
The Emperor-as-Man and the Emperor-as-Warp-God might not be the same person.


Right now the Emperor of Man is essentially the 5th and most powerful chaos God (trumping even Gork and Mork who combined beat out Khorne as he single-handedly hold back the main 4 by himself)

This is of course the Emperor after he removed compassion from himself (which likely also exists in the warp as a separate entity) and can be considered to be a completely different being from the man who fought the Great Crusades.

At least thats how I've heard it.


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That's what I'm saying.

The guy on the chair that was walking around with people is a corpse.

Ten thousand years of belief from uncounted quadrillions of human beings has created a Warp God in the form of that belief... and a very powerful Warp God it is.

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If Gods gain power by how much they are worshipped, then Gork and Mork are #1, followed by the Emperor, followed by the Chaos Gods.

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 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
The Emperor-as-Man and the Emperor-as-Warp-God might not be the same person.


Right now the Emperor of Man is essentially the 5th and most powerful chaos God (trumping even Gork and Mork who combined beat out Khorne as he single-handedly hold back the main 4 by himself)

This is of course the Emperor after he removed compassion from himself (which likely also exists in the warp as a separate entity) and can be considered to be a completely different being from the man who fought the Great Crusades.

At least thats how I've heard it.


I've never heard anything of the Emperor's compassion being removed (unless that's supposed to be the Star Child). Given the reasoning presented here and in other areas, I think it's safe to say that the Emperor is the most powerful Warp entity at the moment. He was strong enough to make all of the Big Four start panicking when he revealed himself, and that was when he was only a couple of hundred psyker souls. He's been getting several thousand a day for ten thousand years now.

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 asorel wrote:
 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
The Emperor-as-Man and the Emperor-as-Warp-God might not be the same person.


Right now the Emperor of Man is essentially the 5th and most powerful chaos God (trumping even Gork and Mork who combined beat out Khorne as he single-handedly hold back the main 4 by himself)

This is of course the Emperor after he removed compassion from himself (which likely also exists in the warp as a separate entity) and can be considered to be a completely different being from the man who fought the Great Crusades.

At least thats how I've heard it.


I've never heard anything of the Emperor's compassion being removed (unless that's supposed to be the Star Child). Given the reasoning presented here and in other areas, I think it's safe to say that the Emperor is the most powerful Warp entity at the moment. He was strong enough to make all of the Big Four start panicking when he revealed himself, and that was when he was only a couple of hundred psyker souls. He's been getting several thousand a day for ten thousand years now.


He removed his compassion from himself so that he could slay Horus. And I actually think that might be backwards. the Star Child is supposedly going to be born when the Emperor dies and completely remanifests in the warp.

His compassion is basically his old personality that manifests as a different being entirely.


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 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
ITS OVER 9,000!!!!!

(You should of seen this coming when you titled the thread.)



I was gonna say that as soon as I saw the thread haha

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The emperor is a barely living corps now.
He needs to be killed to reincarnate into a powerful entity again.

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oldzoggy wrote:
The emperor is a barely living corps now.
He needs to be killed to reincarnate into a powerful entity again.


Still has all his psychic might, though scattered which makes him weaker. If he were able to collect all the fragments of himself properly and with the worship he'd probably be somewhere in the middle of the big 4 I think.

   
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 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
the Star Child is supposedly going to be born when the Emperor dies and completely remanifests in the warp.


Nope. The Star Child is already a thing, or was in the ancient fluff that recognized him.
The Star Child was supposed to be reborn in human form as the New Man / Sensei-Emperor.
Becoming a warp god was not on the cards.
   
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There seems to be a lot of strange notions about the Emperor here. The chaos gods didn't fear him because of his psychic might, but because creating a secular galaxy would eradicate them. And he isn't accumulating power in the warp, he is diminishing and he is consuming psykers just to stay present, the time would come when they couldn't feed him enough and he would spark out.

Remember, he needed to create thunder warriors to unify Earth, he couldn't just blink his rivals out of existence or convert their thoughts to his worship. He is very powerful, but he tends to get over estimated by massive degrees.

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I think he has the poteintial to be the most powerful, but isn't because his consciousness is scattered and his warp presence, while massive, is inchoate. Some event will concentrate it (maybe his death in the material world), and then he'll be 'born' as a chaos god. Right now it's similar to the build up to slaanesh's birth, but on a much larger scale.

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 Silverthorne wrote:
I think he has the poteintial to be the most powerful, but isn't because his consciousness is scattered and his warp presence, while massive, is inchoate. Some event will concentrate it (maybe his death in the material world), and then he'll be 'born' as a chaos god. Right now it's similar to the build up to slaanesh's birth, but on a much larger scale.


How do you figure?
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Animus wrote:
 Silverthorne wrote:
I think he has the poteintial to be the most powerful, but isn't because his consciousness is scattered and his warp presence, while massive, is inchoate. Some event will concentrate it (maybe his death in the material world), and then he'll be 'born' as a chaos god. Right now it's similar to the build up to slaanesh's birth, but on a much larger scale.


How do you figure?
The Emperor has only grown weaker since his death.


By absorbing the souls of 1000 (minimum) psykers a day. And being worshipped as a God by around a quadrillion people. The 'old' emperor could never manifest demons, like the emperor currently can. His body is weaker, sure, but Khorne doesn't even have a physical body, in fact it would probably be impossible for him to possess or create one, so it not really relevant to discussions of gods.

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Animus wrote:
 Silverthorne wrote:
I think he has the poteintial to be the most powerful, but isn't because his consciousness is scattered and his warp presence, while massive, is inchoate. Some event will concentrate it (maybe his death in the material world), and then he'll be 'born' as a chaos god. Right now it's similar to the build up to slaanesh's birth, but on a much larger scale.


How do you figure?
The Emperor has only grown weaker since his death.


He has not grown weaker. Its the Golden Throne that is failing not his power. Also when the Golden Throne finally fails he will no longer have a physical tether in our universe and he will be completely reborn as an entity in the warp. Unless all the sensei are sacrificed at the same time that he dies.


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Where does it say all that? 10,000 psykers are sacrificed a day to maintain his spirit, not the golden throne. And there is no clear answer to what will happen when his body dies. He might become a warp entity, he might be reborn, he might reform like Vulkan, or he might actually die. There has never been a definitive answer to this, it's all fan speculation.

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1000 Psykers a day. Not 10k.

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Horus never beat the Emperor. When the Emperor finally made up his mind concerning Horus, he annihilated him and blew him from existence. Horus harmed him greatly while the Emperor waffled about what to do and refused to accept the reality of the situation, but it isn't as though Horus was his equal. Similarly, Horus was essentially the physical representation or avatar of the combined chaos gods, a funnel for as much of their power as they could drop into him.

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 PhillyT wrote:
Horus never beat the Emperor. When the Emperor finally made up his mind concerning Horus, he annihilated him and blew him from existence. Horus harmed him greatly while the Emperor waffled about what to do and refused to accept the reality of the situation, but it isn't as though Horus was his equal. Similarly, Horus was essentially the physical representation or avatar of the combined chaos gods, a funnel for as much of their power as they could drop into him.


I don't think that's ever been disputed. Emps failing when battling Horus was his compassion, not marital or psychic skill.

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I think someone above implied he couldn't be as powerful as a chaos god because he was beaten by a slave to chaos. He wasn't beaten, he simply chose not to fight right up until he snapped and blew Horus from existence.

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I would guess either he is about the strenght of one of the top three chaos gods. Or he is about as strong as all 4 of them combined. Just judging from the narrative of 40k.

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