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I remember 5 years ago when I started to play Orks it was fantastic all the army lists on this forum: Trukk/boyz/Warboss, Deff/Kan walls/kff, Battlewagons full of shoota boyz, Kommandos, lootas everywhere. A lot of Apocalypse battle reports with hundred of orks in youtube.

Now I just see a few lists. What happened?

it is because the ork codex is so bad that most ork players would rather play with their old codex instead, while the cool boys get all the new toys and buffs

That's because the Codex isn't a powerhouse Codex with easy win options.

I did really liked your army lists guys.

For the new lists I have to buy the Stompa and the Morka/Gorka big guys, but they are too expensive.

The ork codex is low tier and as such has fewer build options boiled down to a handful of formations.

Green tide is 90% of competitive ork lists today. The rest tend to be a mix of blitz brigade and bully boyz.


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The Stompa is not necessary. The gorkanauts are one of the worst models in the entire game.

To be a competitive ork list, get 100 boyz and go from there.

For fluffy games, Orks do quite well with many builds, and so net lists aren't needed. For competitive games, Orks generally lose, and so net lists don't help.

I play with the 100 orks list, but I think there is something missing in my list. What that can be? any ideas? I think I will post it in the army list forum.

 Capt. Camping wrote:
I play with the 100 orks list, but I think there is something missing in my list. What that can be? any ideas? I think I will post it in the army list forum.

Inv saves?

Fearless


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deff rolla's


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the_scotsman wrote:


Green tide is 90% of competitive ork lists today.
To be a competitive ork list, get 100 boyz and go from there.

Don't buy into the green tide hype, it is horrible. As soon as your opponent realizes that he can just render is useless by a well planned assault, you are going to be spending the rest of the game moving pile in moves

Ork bike lists can still do well. They lack some of the more general shenanigans SMs can pull but bikes as a base unit are still very strong.

Things that might help.

-The looted wagon is in a White Dwarf / all over the internet.
It is 7 points more expensive then a trukk. 7 points to upgrade 10/10/10 to 11/11/10 is not that bad.

-Da rippa gives one bike unit skilled rider + da lucky stick and turbo boost gives you a tricky 2+ re rollable cover save.

-Tank busta's are better

-Mek guns are good if you park them next to something that makes them fearless.

-Lootas got cheaper but heavy :\

-The Waaagh ghazz suplement has a 4++ KFF and the only fearless item.

If you feel like using the strangest rules ever use the FW "updated" dread mob list. It is updated so badly that it gives a ~400 pt discount to the Mek stompa and gives allmost all models the option to call out a waagh if they are the warboss. They just don't benefit from it themselves.



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using a mek as a second power klaw nob that can't be challenged might be worth it.

The ork codex was early on in 7th, and as such was fairly mild.

Lots of strange things happened in it that seem to make no sense.

overall it can be summed up, where newer codexes (since necrons) received reduced costs to units, and other units made more powerful along with interesting synergies for units. The earlier codexes saw a hodge podge of new units that seemed to lack purpose, and a removal of utility and synergy with no real increase in any units ability to perform their roles.

There have been a few ork lists that have won major tournaments, and by a few I think I mean one. It centered around lots of tankbustas

^ This Tank busta's are good at killing big stuff, but finecast and not that easy to convert in big numbers ( where to get all those rockets ??). Running orks like you used to do just doesn't work anymore. And that made most of us shelf their armies :\

You might also conder looking in IA:8 for some not updated units that are actually not bad. Esp some of the transports and the Kustom Stompa. It can be really cheap in points and while it is no (wraight) knight it still has some nastry tricks such as a full 12" charge, and hellflamer templates. The Squiggoths and the Lifta droppa have been updated / nerfed in IA:appocalypse so ignore those.

But the Killa Tank LoW are still worth it. (most current version IA:appoc )

Because the only two codex's weaker than the Ork codex are Imperial Guard and Sisters of Battle. And even then it is debatable.

And don't forget the deffkopta. They are great at getting mealstorm objectives and / or drawing the overwatch away from your boyzz.

What about the warbuggies?

I love them. I made my own model for them based on a assault of black reach deffkopta + Mek gun parts. I currently have 15 of them

Now the sad part.
They are really bad, you are always better off using deffkopta's instead. Also if you don't make your own models they are quite expensive and the old model does not fit that well in with modern orks.



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They have the same weapons and kinda fill the same role.
But deffopta's can also assault, have better movement rules and are generally harder to kill.

I disagree I think Deffbuggies simply due to bring vehicles are often that much harder to kill, fearless, can't be locked in cc etc. I use a set of FE grot tanks because they were significantly cheaper than 4 GW buggies.


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Though I will say if I ran Green Tide or biker spam id go Kopters. I run Trukk spam so I'm already spamming av10. That means if I use the infantry Deffcoptas, my opponent has something for their anti infantry guns to shoot at.

oldzoggy wrote:
^ This Tank busta's are good at killing big stuff, but finecast and not that easy to convert in big numbers ( where to get all those rockets ??).

All over the place...







For me, the biggest turnoffs from playing my orks are Hull Points rendering my vehicles even more fragile than they already were, and casualties from the front forcing characters and special weapons to be buried inside units where they're next to useless.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Because the only two codex's weaker than the Ork codex are Imperial Guard and Sisters of Battle. And even then it is debatable.

Orks are better than IG, BA, CSM for sure. I think Sisters and DE edge them out, though. Maybe not DE.

Martel732 wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Because the only two codex's weaker than the Ork codex are Imperial Guard and Sisters of Battle. And even then it is debatable.

Orks are better than IG, BA, CSM for sure. I think Sisters and DE edge them out, though. Maybe not DE.

I agree with you on this one Martel. Although Sisters are slightly worse off in my books - but I may just be biased.

The last incarnation of the codex, compared to the excellent codex that proceeded it, was an insult, it was phoned in, soulless and uncoordinated. It strongly nerfed a previous codex that was 3 incarnations of the rules old... for no good reason, anything that might, at one time, have been accused of being powerful had long been eclipsed by more recent codices and the orks were struggling along... and then they got nerfed...

And the mob rule... Someone should be 'very sternly talked to' for that one, it was the last nail in the coffin for me, my boyz await the next book.

Basically the book is a total loss.

 insaniak wrote:

oldzoggy wrote:
^ This Tank busta's are good at killing big stuff, but finecast and not that easy to convert in big numbers ( where to get all those rockets ??).

All over the place...







For me, the biggest turnoffs from playing my orks are Hull Points rendering my vehicles even more fragile than they already were, and casualties from the front forcing characters and special weapons to be buried inside units where they're next to useless.

Back in the day, there was a white dwarf article that showed you how to make Rokkits out of a ball point pen and some plasticard. Good stuff.

Yeah, 7th was not kind to the Orks. While the points cost reductions of some units were nice, many of the changes were head-scratchers. Mob Rule especially.

I know of at least two long-running threads that talk about all sorts of Ork tactics since the new codex came out:

Orks in 7th Edition:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/601805.page

Making Orks Competitive- Gather the Council, Prepare to Waaagh!:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/643980.page

There's a lot of good discussion in those threads. There were also quite a few lists posted right when the new codex came out last year, but it's tapered off since then. Maybe it's just because more players are reading threads like those above, as well as lists that have already been posted, rather than posting their own and asking for advice? Just a theory. Maybe Ork players are disillusioned by the fact that some obvious stuff needs to be FAQ'd, but GW seems to have stopped updating their FAQ's. Maybe they stopped playing. Maybe some players are army hopping. Who knows?