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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Obama very angry at this latest tragedy. Apparently, this is the 15th time he's had to address the nation following a mass shooting
Here's what he had to say:
“As I said just a few months ago and I said a few months before that and each time we see one of these mass shootings, our thoughts and prayers are not enough. It does nothing to prevent this carnage being inflicted some place in America, next week or a couple of months from now,” the president said. “Somehow this has become routine.”
“Right now I can imagine the press releases being cranked out. We need more guns, they’ll say. Fewer safety laws. Does anybody really believe that?”
The president called for news organisations to compare the number of Americans killed by terrorism over the past decade with the number who died in gun violence. He noted that the US spends trillions of dollars and has passed myriad laws to protect people from terrorism.
“Yet we have a Congress that explicitly blocks us from even collecting data on how to reduce potential gun deaths. How can that be?” he said.
Some grim statistics as well:
45 school shootings in the US in 2015
142 school shootings since the attack at Sandy Hook
When you say 'school shootings' and mention Sandy Hook you are implying that there have been 45 Sandy Hook style murder sprees at schools in 2015, and 142 Sandy Hook style murder sprees since Sandy Hook. That is simply not true.
The numbers you have trotted out I presume are from the following articles
Including weapons discharges where no one was injured; attempted suicides, and suicides by gun. IE, things that have little or nothing to do with the thing we are talking about.
Let's not split hairs here. Even the death of one schoolkid due to gun violence is one death too many.
Why does it have to be a Sandy Hook style massacre before anybody notices?
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Ouze wrote: How many pages before it's socially acceptable to politicize this, just out of curiosity? page 3? What are we agreeing on, currently?
People have been politicizing this long before dakka dakka appeared.
Both the left and the right are guilty of trying to make political capital out of gun deaths.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Yeah, I'm asking when *here* it's ok to start having the usual discussions and talking point theater we do every few weeks. Now, we've decided we need to do empty moral platitudes for a while first - so how long are we agreeing to that for? It's like a page, right? 2?
Serious question, actually.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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Ouze wrote: Yeah, I'm asking when *here* it's ok to start having the usual discussions and talking point theater we do every few weeks. Now, we've decided we need to do empty moral platitudes for a while first - so how long are we agreeing to that for? It's like a page, right? 2?
Start whenever you like
I'm not trying to make light of a tragedy, but IMO the thread should be able to talk about the social and political implications from the first post. Everybody on dakka can read about this tragedy on a gazillion different websites/newspapers etc etc
I see little point in parroting the news that is freely available elsewhere.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Ouze wrote: Yeah, I'm asking when *here* it's ok to start having the usual discussions and talking point theater we do every few weeks. Now, we've decided we need to do empty moral platitudes for a while first - so how long are we agreeing to that for? It's like a page, right? 2?
Start whenever you like
I'm not trying to make light of a tragedy, but IMO the thread should be able to talk about the social and political implications from the first post. Everybody on dakka can read about this tragedy on a gazillion different websites/newspapers etc etc
I see little point in parroting the news that is freely available elsewhere.
So what social and political implications do you want to discuss? So far all you've done is quote the President calling for more intrusive restrictive laws that wouldn't have had any impact on stopping these tragedies from occurring. Nobody in any of these gun threads has ever been in favor of murdering school children, we're all in agreement that it's a horrible crime. The continual point of disagreement is the need for ineffective additional intrusive restrictive laws that target law abiding citizens.
Kilkrazy wrote: I imagine trying to secure a large college campus is like trying to secure the London Underground. Transport For London did a test and determined it is completely impractical to cover all the possible access points and get people through the system at the required speed.
Aggieville, best school EVAH! At least until GC goes to unviersity then its whoever buys the old man a Vought F4U Corsair with 50 cal paintball guns first decides the best school. The problem is, most of the pushed for additional regulations would not have done anything with any of these, as they wouldn't have impacted or already violate current laws.
Like many things the infrastructure behind the NCIS system needs to be fixed, and the mental health system in the US needs a Manhattan Project style makeover. My own personal theory is that, in addition, during periods of great social and political upheaval, it stresses the society and the crazies come out.
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Kilkrazy wrote: I imagine trying to secure a large college campus is like trying to secure the London Underground. Transport For London did a test and determined it is completely impractical to cover all the possible access points and get people through the system at the required speed.
Just thinking back over my college days, every building had 3+ entrances, not counting service entries and the like. The lab I worked in had it's own entry, as well as windows that were ground level and behind bushes where one could break in without anyone noticing. Putting a guard at every entrance or closing entrances would not be practical as students streamed into and out of every entrance between classes.
Ouze wrote: Yeah, I'm asking when *here* it's ok to start having the usual discussions and talking point theater we do every few weeks. Now, we've decided we need to do empty moral platitudes for a while first - so how long are we agreeing to that for? It's like a page, right? 2?
Start whenever you like
I'm not trying to make light of a tragedy, but IMO the thread should be able to talk about the social and political implications from the first post. Everybody on dakka can read about this tragedy on a gazillion different websites/newspapers etc etc
I see little point in parroting the news that is freely available elsewhere.
So what social and political implications do you want to discuss? So far all you've done is quote the President calling for more intrusive restrictive laws that wouldn't have had any impact on stopping these tragedies from occurring. Nobody in any of these gun threads has ever been in favor of murdering school children, we're all in agreement that it's a horrible crime. The continual point of disagreement is the need for ineffective additional intrusive restrictive laws that target law abiding citizens.
I think you've answered your own question.
But for me, the key questions, which most people will be more familiar with, are these:
1) Should there be more gun control?
2) Should there be less gun control?
Unfortunately, these simple questions are very complex, and because the well has been poisoned in America, regarding this issue, both sides are heavily polarised.
So we have the left calling for more gun control and less guns, and the right calling for armed teachers, more guns and F-14s to fly over schools.
Recently, I've been reading a lot on the 2nd amendment - the history, the debates, federal papers 29 and 46, James Madison's notes at the constitutional convention etc etc
And it is a VERY complex issue, that ultimately, the American people will have to solve.
Kilkrazy wrote: I imagine trying to secure a large college campus is like trying to secure the London Underground. Transport For London did a test and determined it is completely impractical to cover all the possible access points and get people through the system at the required speed.
Just thinking back over my college days, every building had 3+ entrances, not counting service entries and the like. The lab I worked in had it's own entry, as well as windows that were ground level and behind bushes where one could break in without anyone noticing. Putting a guard at every entrance or closing entrances would not be practical as students streamed into and out of every entrance between classes.
Society was different back then. I honestly think the me me me attitude and the modern trend for everyman for himself, has done something to the social fabric, not just in the USA, but the west in general.
I think people are more narcissistic, more prone to taking offence easier, and have this need for 'respect' and feel slighted if they don't get it.
I honestly believe that these are a factor in violent crimes in the west these days.
Kilkrazy wrote: I imagine trying to secure a large college campus is like trying to secure the London Underground. Transport For London did a test and determined it is completely impractical to cover all the possible access points and get people through the system at the required speed.
Aggieville, best school EVAH! At least until GC goes to unviersity then its whoever buys the old man a Vought F4U Corsair with 50 cal paintball guns first decides the best school. The problem is, most of the pushed for additional regulations would not have done anything with any of these, as they wouldn't have impacted or already violate current laws.
Like many things the infrastructure behind the NCIS system needs to be fixed, and the mental health system in the US needs a Manhattan Project style makeover. My own personal theory is that, in addition, during periods of great social and political upheaval, it stresses the society and the crazies come out.
I think mental health is a smokescreen, in all honesty.
There have been plenty instances of men or woman, free of mental health problems, discovering their partner cheating on them, and then shooting them dead for it.
I honestly think that guns escalate heated arguments/situations that 9 times out of 10, would end in a fist fight or a war of words, and thus leave people alive at the end of it.
I remember having a massive argument with my brother years ago, fists were thrown, heavy objects were thrown. Imagine if either of us had a gun...
And yet, a few days later, we're best friends again.
I'm willing to beat that thousands of people have been in that situation with a friend or brother, lost it in the heat of the moment, and then shot them...and felt guilt for the rest of their lives....
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Ouze wrote: Yeah, I'm asking when *here* it's ok to start having the usual discussions and talking point theater we do every few weeks. Now, we've decided we need to do empty moral platitudes for a while first - so how long are we agreeing to that for? It's like a page, right? 2?
Start whenever you like
I'm not trying to make light of a tragedy, but IMO the thread should be able to talk about the social and political implications from the first post. Everybody on dakka can read about this tragedy on a gazillion different websites/newspapers etc etc
I see little point in parroting the news that is freely available elsewhere.
So what social and political implications do you want to discuss? So far all you've done is quote the President calling for more intrusive restrictive laws that wouldn't have had any impact on stopping these tragedies from occurring. Nobody in any of these gun threads has ever been in favor of murdering school children, we're all in agreement that it's a horrible crime. The continual point of disagreement is the need for ineffective additional intrusive restrictive laws that target law abiding citizens.
Funny. What the president actually asked for was being able to collect data on the best way to prrvent these types of things.
Haing listened to his spoeech in the car on the way to a shooting competition, thats not all he asked for.
Please explain which proposed gun regulation would have stopped this?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: Haing listened to his spoeech in the car on the way to a shooting competition, thats not all he asked for.
Please explain which proposed gun regulation would have stopped this?
I don't know. Maybe we should try and gather some data and find out?
We are fully aware of the mass murderers already. Mmm but to gather data on a neutral basis you also have to add in how many incidents occurred where a crime was prevented via use or blandishment of a firearm. The FBI denotes that at over a million times a year.
The bias of data is that the CDC, when it initially started was only collected certain data. The careful gathering of numbers can prove any point you want to make, and all of them violate the Bill of Rights so welcome to Planet Suck it.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
"You're wrong so suck it". Boy am I glad this thread was allowed to start on the whole gun rights wagon instead of just for once being a news thing and nothing more.
Anyway we've already made the first few transitions, from "laws/no laws" to "I have data/So do I" to "Your data is bad/mine is good" and we could well be starting our just general downhill slide. And it's page 2.
I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own...
How about making it illegal to sell a gun privately? Ie, youd have to go through an external agency, who performs a background check on the buyer. Buying a gun without prior training and screening should just be illegal... But then, that might just be me. Still seems like the best option for current gun owners though. Youre free to keep your guns, but if you want to get rid of some of them, you cant just sell them to anyone.
Tyr13 wrote: How about making it illegal to sell a gun privately? Ie, youd have to go through an external agency, who performs a background check on the buyer. Buying a gun without prior training and screening should just be illegal... But then, that might just be me. Still seems like the best option for current gun owners though. Youre free to keep your guns, but if you want to get rid of some of them, you cant just sell them to anyone.
While I am down with that (3rd party "agency" is just run it through and FFL like any other transaction) I don't think they would have stopped any of the recent ones, but I could have been wrong. in fact there have been several instances where mental health issues weren't reported to the NCIS database (another thing I am about).
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Yeah, that's what I was getting at before. If we're going to eat a big poop sandwich, why have a bunch of foreplay first? Let's just take a bite and get in there
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Now you're talking the Chicago inner city school system. Er too soon..?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
When Americans are killed in mine disasters, we work to make mines safer. When Americans are killed in floods and hurricanes, we make communities safer. When roads are unsafe, we fix them to reduce auto fatalities. We have seatbelt laws because we know it safes lives. The notion that gun violence is somehow different—that our freedom and our Constitution prohibits any modest regulation of how we use a deadly weapon, when there are law-abiding gun owners all across the country who could hunt, and protect their families, and do everything they do under such regulations—doesn't make sense."
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When Americans are killed in mine disasters, we work to make mines safer. When Americans are killed in floods and hurricanes, we make communities safer. When roads are unsafe, we fix them to reduce auto fatalities. We have seatbelt laws because we know it safes lives. The notion that gun violence is somehow different—that our freedom and our Constitution prohibits any modest regulation of how we use a deadly weapon, when there are law-abiding gun owners all across the country who could hunt, and protect their families, and do everything they do under such regulations—doesn't make sense."
How so? In your quote he doesn't actually cover it at all. What are the "modest regulations" that Obama wants to implement? Guns are already one of if not the most heavily regulated possession that you can privately own. All Obama has done is make an emotional plea for a vague yet massive govt response that he presents as a magical panacea for murder via firearm. Gun control is a misnomer, what they really want to control are people, but no amount of laws can create the amount of control they want to exercise over the rest of us.
When Americans are killed in mine disasters, we work to make mines safer. When Americans are killed in floods and hurricanes, we make communities safer. When roads are unsafe, we fix them to reduce auto fatalities. We have seatbelt laws because we know it safes lives. The notion that gun violence is somehow different—that our freedom and our Constitution prohibits any modest regulation of how we use a deadly weapon, when there are law-abiding gun owners all across the country who could hunt, and protect their families, and do everything they do under such regulations—doesn't make sense."
We could pass laws making it illegal to kill people and tack on added mandatory time if they do so with a firearm. Would that help cover regulating 'how we us a deadly weapon'?
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
Gun free zones have proven themselves to be an absolute failure and make what should theoretically be a safer environment actually more dangerous. This has been proven over and over. The batman shooter specifically even mentioned he did his shooting where he did because that theater was the only one of seven that banned personal weapons. There should be no gun free zones. If you went through all the effort and checks to get a concealed carry, you should be allowed to carry everywhere in every state. One student with a personal weapon could have stopped this madman or any of the other myriad madmen in the last few years. No law is going to stop crazy people. If they don't use guns then they will do it with swords, knives, or a homemade bomb. How many people died on 911 because of some nuts with box cutters? You cannot legislate crazy, but you can prevent business locations and schools from forcing people to be defenseless.
Further the media doesn't help these situations. These guys, every one of them have been seen as loners and losers, the types of people that are generally anti-social but crave the attention. This guy is a prime example since he even mentioned he did it to be famous. If my memory serves, isn't that why John Lennon was killed as well? Now again, how do you stop this? Cant stop the media from reporting and you cant really limit how much of it they report(unless you are Russia). If they don't visit a shrink then there is no way to know if they are dangerous or not. So are you going to give every gun buyer a psych eval?(note I haven't heard how this guy obtained his four guns, what he used specifically, or if that has even been released)
Also odd things here, just recently the school voted down to arm the lone security officer they had on campus. Oregon has very repressive gun laws that just got worse recently.
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Col. Dash wrote: Gun free zones have proven themselves to be an absolute failure and make what should theoretically be a safer environment actually more dangerous. This has been proven over and over. The batman shooter specifically even mentioned he did his shooting where he did because that theater was the only one of seven that banned personal weapons. There should be no gun free zones. If you went through all the effort and checks to get a concealed carry, you should be allowed to carry everywhere in every state. One student with a personal weapon could have stopped this madman or any of the other myriad madmen in the last few years. No law is going to stop crazy people. If they don't use guns then they will do it with swords, knives, or a homemade bomb. How many people died on 911 because of some nuts with box cutters? You cannot legislate crazy, but you can prevent business locations and schools from forcing people to be defenseless.
Further the media doesn't help these situations. These guys, every one of them have been seen as loners and losers, the types of people that are generally anti-social but crave the attention. This guy is a prime example since he even mentioned he did it to be famous. If my memory serves, isn't that why John Lennon was killed as well? Now again, how do you stop this? Cant stop the media from reporting and you cant really limit how much of it they report(unless you are Russia). If they don't visit a shrink then there is no way to know if they are dangerous or not. So are you going to give every gun buyer a psych eval?(note I haven't heard how this guy obtained his four guns, what he used specifically, or if that has even been released)
Also odd things here, just recently the school voted down to arm the lone security officer they had on campus. Oregon has very repressive gun laws that just got worse recently.
This wasn't a gun free zone:
http://www.ncsl.org/research/education/guns-on-campus-overview.aspx "Due to recent state legislation and court rulings, 7 states now have provisions allowing the carrying of concealed weapons on public postsecondary campuses. These states are Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah, and Wisconsin. In March 2014,"
and in 2012 the courts rules the schools did not have the right to ban guns. "it was ruled that state law dictates only the legislature can regulate the use, sale and possession of firearms, and therefore these systems had overstepped their authority in issuing the bans. "
full text:
Spoiler:
Guns on Campus: Overview
2/23/2015
Table of Contents
Concealed Carry Weapon Laws and College Campuses
Additional Resources
Contact
Education Program
In the wake of several campus shootings, the most deadly being the 2007 shooting at Virginia Tech University, states are considering legislation about whether or not to permit guns on college campuses. For some, these events point to a need to ease existing firearm regulations and allow concealed weapons on campuses. Others see the solution in tightening restrictions to keep guns off campuses.
In 2013, at least 19 states introduced legislation to allow concealed carry on campus in some regard and in the 2014 legislative session, at least 14 states introduced similar legislation. In 2013, two bills passed, one in Kansas that allows concelaed carry generally and one in Arkansas that allows faculty to carry. The Kansas legislation creates a provision that colleges and universities cannot prohibit concealed carry unless a building has "adequate security measures," however, governing boards of the institutions may still request an exemption to prohibit for up to 4 years. Arkansas' bill allows faculty to carry, unless the governing board adopts a policy that expressly disallows faculty to carry. In 2014, Idaho became the most recent state to allow concealed carry weapons on college campuses.
On the other hand, recent shootings also have encouraged some legislators to strengthen existing firearm regulations. In 2013, 5 states introduced legislation to prohibit concealed carry weapons on campus. None of these bills passed.
Concealed Carry Weapon Laws and College Campuses
In the United States, all 50 states allow citizens to carry concealed weapons if they meet certain state requirements. Currently, there are 20 states that ban carrying a concealed weapon on a college campus: California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Wyoming.
In 23 states the decision to ban or allow concealed carry weapons on campuses is made by each college or university individually: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and West Virginia.
Due to recent state legislation and court rulings, 7 states now have provisions allowing the carrying of concealed weapons on public postsecondary campuses. These states are Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah, and Wisconsin. In March 2014, Idaho's legislature passed a bill premitting concealed weapons on campus and making it the 7th state to permit guns on campus.
Utah remains the only state to have statute specifically naming public colleges and universities as public entities that do not have the authority to ban concealed carry, and thus, all 10 public institutions in Utah allow concealed weapons on their property. Recently passed Kansas legislation creates a provision that colleges and universities cannot prohibit concealed carry unless a building has "adequate security measures," however, governing boards of the institutions may still request an exemption to prohibit for up to four years. Wisconsin legislation creates a provision that colleges and universities must allow concealed carry on campus grounds, however, campuses can prohibit weapons from campus buildings if signs are posted at every entrance explicitly stating that weapons are prohibited. All University of Wisconsin system campuses and technical community college districts are said to be putting this signage in place. Legislation passed in Mississippi in 2011 creates an exception to allow concealed carry on college campuses for those who have taken a voluntary course on safe handling and use of firearms by a certified instructor.
Recent court cases have also overturned some long standing system wide bans of concealed carry on state college and university campuses. In March 2012, the Colorado Supreme Court ruled that the University of Colorado’s policy banning guns from campus violates the state’s concealed carry law, and in 2011 the Oregon Court of Appeals overturned the Oregon University System’s ban of guns on campuses, allowing those with permits to carry concealed guns on the grounds of these public colleges (Oregon's State Board of Higher Education retained its authority to have internal policies for certain areas of campus, and adopted a new policy in 2012 that bans guns in campus buildings). In both cases, it was ruled that state law dictates only the legislature can regulate the use, sale and possession of firearms, and therefore these systems had overstepped their authority in issuing the bans. See the "Guns on Campus: Campus Action," page for more information on these rulings, board policies and other campuses that allow concealed carry on their grounds.
For up-to-date information on legislation, see the Education Bill Tracking Database. Search under the topic "Postsecondary - Campus Safety."
and yes we can help those who are "crazy" and we can deny them access to guns. Do you really think the kids would have lined up against the wall waiting to be shot if the gunman only had knives & swords? of course not, you can outrun a knife and have a greater chance to live through a stabbing.
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Col. Dash wrote: . One student with a personal weapon could have stopped this madman .
John Parker Jr., a veteran and student at UCC, spoke with MSNBC and revealed that he was in a campus building with a concealed handgun when the shooting started. He suggested other students with him at the time were also carrying concealed handguns.
. By the time he became aware of the shooting, a SWAT team had already responded. He was concerned that police would view him as a “bad guy” and target him, so he quickly retreated into the classroom.
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