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Over the last 3-4 months I've seen the eldar in action and I myself have used them. Normal space marine CADs walk all over eldar. So my question is, how is it that everyone thinks there the number 1 army and God like, when normal space marines army walks all over it. If you disagree then feel free to comment a eldar list, and I will give you a single SM CAD list that will walk all over it. This hate needs to be filtered towards SM more so then any other faction. #eldarlivesmatter

Not this again....

Dman137 wrote:
Over the last 3-4 months I've seen the eldar in action and I myself have used them. Normal space marine CADs walk all over eldar. So my question is, how is it that everyone thinks there the number 1 army and God like, when normal space marines army walks all over it. If you disagree then feel free to comment a eldar list, and I will give you a single SM CAD list that will walk all over it. This hate needs to be filtered towards SM more so then any other faction. #eldarlivesmatter

What is funny is that I saw this topic and without evening looking at the author I knew it was Dman QQing again over the fact that certain builds can counter his Eldar OP shenanigans. Go play a hard army and see how far you get Dman, I am guessing you would switch back to your Eldar really quick.

Dman137 wrote:
If you disagree then feel free to comment a eldar list, and I will give you a single SM CAD list that will walk all over it.

You realize there's a certain advantage in list tailoring, right?

Why are we still feeding the troll??

 Ghazkuul wrote:

Dman137 wrote:
Over the last 3-4 months I've seen the eldar in action and I myself have used them. Normal space marine CADs walk all over eldar. So my question is, how is it that everyone thinks there the number 1 army and God like, when normal space marines army walks all over it. If you disagree then feel free to comment a eldar list, and I will give you a single SM CAD list that will walk all over it. This hate needs to be filtered towards SM more so then any other faction. #eldarlivesmatter

What is funny is that I saw this topic and without evening looking at the author I knew it was Dman QQing again over the fact that certain builds can counter his Eldar OP shenanigans. Go play a hard army and see how far you get Dman, I am guessing you would switch back to your Eldar really quick.

I'm playing normal marines right now (single CAD) and I'm walking all over eldar.
And I like how every comment people make is, if you win with eldar it's because there op but if you lose its because you suck lol
But like I said I'm my post, give me a apparent crazy eldar army that's so OP and I'll give you a space marine army that will pants it, I'll use a single CAD and no allies


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Yoyoyo wrote:

Dman137 wrote:
If you disagree then feel free to comment a eldar list, and I will give you a single SM CAD list that will walk all over it.

You realize there's a certain advantage in list tailoring, right?

sure, but everyone seems to think that eldar are the all powerful. So I shouldn't matter what list I make.


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MonumentOfRibs wrote:
Why are we still feeding the troll??

if your not going to actually comment towards the post then please don't comment at all.

Can I quote you?

"[1850] - I think I broke eldar, pretty much unbeatable list. I challenge anyone to give me a hard counter"
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/660633.page

Classic lose lose. Now either you build a "hard counter" that would prove your own previous thread wrong, or you admit that this thread is wrong.

Yes certain sm builds can keep up with eldar. But your constand "if this op thing stands a chance against eldar, then hate them cause eldar not op!!!1!!eleventyone!" Threads don't really prove much.

Yes eldar are op. Their codex is in a league of its own. And yes there are some BUILDS that other armies can put together to compete with them. Yes those builds are op, but that doesn't make eldar any less op.

L2 bring not so obvious lists so you won't get countered

Kk thx bai. Mod gods pls lock the thread b4 it goes bananas

I feel some measure of feedback needs to be given to the OP:

"Meh"

Some codex armies are easier than others to create an "all-comers" list or received deals in points to capability.

I could think REALLY HARD and create a SM list that may stomp an Eldar army provided he did not sharpen his pencil as well.

Thus is the nature of 40k, like it or not.

*grab some popcorn*
Guess whos back, back again!

I would say like pwntallica and use that list maybe
"[1850] - I think I broke eldar, pretty much unbeatable list. I challenge anyone to give me a hard counter"
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/660633.page

Good luck on your crusade Dman, I wonder how long before the thread get lock

 pwntallica wrote:
Can I quote you?

"[1850] - I think I broke eldar, pretty much unbeatable list. I challenge anyone to give me a hard counter"
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/660633.page

Classic lose lose. Now either you build a "hard counter" that would prove your own previous thread wrong, or you admit that this thread is wrong.

Yes certain sm builds can keep up with eldar. But your constand "if this op thing stands a chance against eldar, then hate them cause eldar not op!!!1!!eleventyone!" Threads don't really prove much.

Yes eldar are op. Their codex is in a league of its own. And yes there are some BUILDS that other armies can put together to compete with them. Yes those builds are op, but that doesn't make eldar any less op.

read the thread, it says that SM are the number 1 army. What league of there own are you talking about eldar have there weakness just like every army. And I said I'm my old thread "pretty much unbeatable" idk if people don't understand the difference. This thread is About the number one army out there and it's currently SM not eldar


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 Talizvar wrote:
I feel some measure of feedback needs to be given to the OP:

"Meh"

Some codex armies are easier than others to create an "all-comers" list or received deals in points to capability.

I could think REALLY HARD and create a SM list that may stomp an Eldar army provided he did not sharpen his pencil as well.

Thus is the nature of 40k, like it or not.

it only gets locked because people start crying. It's sad really


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And as I figured, not one person can come up with a eldar list to post. It's sad that all a lot of you do is complain and cry wolf, but have no real evidence to support your claims

2 people posted a list at 1850 no?
It just happens to be your old one.

What is funny is that I saw this topic and without evening looking at the author I knew it was Dman

Same here, brilliant

I thought Eldar were the most OP Dman, where is the SM love coming from now

New tau will crush everything.

Akiasura wrote:
2 people posted a list at 1850 no?
It just happens to be your old one.

so let me get this straight, no one here can think for themselves because all they could come up with was something I wrote. Just goes to show that there aren't any real players in here just goobs


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 kronk wrote:
New tau will crush everything.

that my very well be true.

Ugh, eldar have two units that are statistically at an advantage against similar units in other codecies including their brethren in codex dark eldar and Harlequins. The wind rider jetbikes should be at a 4+ save, just like the Harlequin's (with them being the exact same armor design on the bike and all)

The wraithknight should be exactly 100 points more expensive (I've done the math to update the vehicle and monstrous creature design rules, this is absolutely true, not just hating on my own army for no reason.)

And scatterlasers should be 5 points more expensive than shuriken cannons whenever they are available as an upgrade. They were too much before for the 5 point swap with laser lock, for some reason games workshop decided to price them as if everything you can put them on weren't relentless.

And now, as an answer to your post. You cannot make a 1500 point space marine army that my take all comers 1500 point pure Harlequin army won't annihilate. It has done so against the gladius with over 350 points of free transports and all of them having objective secured. The game ended with them deciding it was over at the bottom of turn three and the statement that it was an "embarrassing defeat"

That list is undefeated as of right now, are my harlequins overpowered? They've beaten grey knights and tyranid at that point level also, and have taken down skitarii, spacewolves, astra militarum, and daemons at smaller point value games where the general consensus is that the harlis are at their weakest.

I don't list tailor, so that can't be the reason I'm winning. So tell me how having an army that can hard counter another top tier army with list tailoring is somehow proof that the hard countered army isn't as potent as had been previously stated is in any way probably factual.

So who would like to place their bets on his reaction on the new Tau codex

Dman137 wrote:

 pwntallica wrote:
Can I quote you?

"[1850] - I think I broke eldar, pretty much unbeatable list. I challenge anyone to give me a hard counter"
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/660633.page

Classic lose lose. Now either you build a "hard counter" that would prove your own previous thread wrong, or you admit that this thread is wrong.

Yes certain sm builds can keep up with eldar. But your constand "if this op thing stands a chance against eldar, then hate them cause eldar not op!!!1!!eleventyone!" Threads don't really prove much.

Yes eldar are op. Their codex is in a league of its own. And yes there are some BUILDS that other armies can put together to compete with them. Yes those builds are op, but that doesn't make eldar any less op.

read the thread, it says that SM are the number 1 army. What league of there own are you talking about eldar have there weakness just like every army. And I said I'm my old thread "pretty much unbeatable" idk if people don't understand the difference. This thread is About the number one army out there and it's currently SM not eldar

You said:
"If you disagree then feel free to comment a eldar list, and I will give you a single SM CAD list that will walk all over it. This hate needs to be filtered towards SM more so then any other faction. #eldarlivesmatter"

I disagree. I belive eldar are top, and not sm. So I gave you a list to build a hard counter for. I just used the list that you wrote that was "I challenge anyone to give me a hard counter".

So I propose it to you. Build a single cad sm hard counter to your own "pretty much unbeatable list".

It can't be done. Especially not single cad. You can build a list that might compete/stand a chance, but it won't hard counter or "pants" it.

Besides, even if you could list tailor a sm list to hard counter an Eldar list, it wouldn't prove that SM are more powerful in general than eldar. All it would do is prove why list tailoring can be used for an advantage.

This thread is not "About the number one army out there and it's currently SM not eldar". Its about "I have anecdotal evidence that my op army isn't op because reasons".

TL;DR eldar are top still, even eldar players know it. And I used your own list to prove your point wrong.

space Marines do have a far more variable and flexible armoury than some and a wide range of specialists ranging from effective to sub par shelf dwellers.

theres still skill in playing them right and picking which units you should target to most effectively deploy your forces and utilise the specalists you do have

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Ugh, eldar have two units that are statistically at an advantage against similar units in other codecies including their brethren in codex dark eldar and Harlequins. The wind rider jetbikes should be at a 4+ save, just like the Harlequin's (with them being the exact same armor design on the bike and all)

The wraithknight should be exactly 100 points more expensive (I've done the math to update the vehicle and monstrous creature design rules, this is absolutely true, not just hating on my own army for no reason.)

And scatterlasers should be 5 points more expensive than shuriken cannons whenever they are available as an upgrade. They were too much before for the 5 point swap with laser lock, for some reason games workshop decided to price them as if everything you can put them on weren't relentless.

And now, as an answer to your post. You cannot make a 1500 point space marine army that my take all comers 1500 point pure Harlequin army won't annihilate. It has done so against the gladius with over 350 points of free transports and all of them having objective secured. The game ended with them deciding it was over at the bottom of turn three and the statement that it was an "embarrassing defeat"

That list is undefeated as of right now, are my harlequins overpowered? They've beaten grey knights and tyranid at that point level also, and have taken down skitarii, spacewolves, astra militarum, and daemons at smaller point value games where the general consensus is that the harlis are at their weakest.

I don't list tailor, so that can't be the reason I'm winning. So tell me how having an army that can hard counter another top tier army with list tailoring is somehow proof that the hard countered army isn't as potent as had been previously stated is in any way probably factual.

show me some tournement wins then you can talk, playing at your local store in your friends basement mean nothing in terms of competitive army builds. Let me guess you haven't won any events

Why are we replying here. Every response only further lends to his delusion that he's right and we're all goobs or whatever his response normally is to people who disagree with his deluded opinions.

Stop feeding the troll folks. Please.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Dman137 wrote:

Akiasura wrote:
2 people posted a list at 1850 no?
It just happens to be your old one.

so let me get this straight, no one here can think for themselves because all they could come up with was something I wrote. Just goes to show that there aren't any real players in here just goobs


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 kronk wrote:
New tau will crush everything.

that my very well be true.

So you can't or won't do it then?
Since there are now 5+ people asking you to do so.

oldzoggy wrote:
So who would like to place their bets on his reaction on the new Tau codex

Wasn't he already lamenting how terrible the new forgeworld suit is (he and every Tau player, because they wanted to run one to get an easy button)?

So what is the SM counter to your Eldar list then Dman? Assuming you of course don't set your Eldar up in a certain way that would destroy your SM.

Do you have any idea how much more seriously people would take you if you answered that question? Assuming of course you wish to be taken seriously

 pwntallica wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

 pwntallica wrote:
Can I quote you?

"[1850] - I think I broke eldar, pretty much unbeatable list. I challenge anyone to give me a hard counter"
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/660633.page

Classic lose lose. Now either you build a "hard counter" that would prove your own previous thread wrong, or you admit that this thread is wrong.

Yes certain sm builds can keep up with eldar. But your constand "if this op thing stands a chance against eldar, then hate them cause eldar not op!!!1!!eleventyone!" Threads don't really prove much.

Yes eldar are op. Their codex is in a league of its own. And yes there are some BUILDS that other armies can put together to compete with them. Yes those builds are op, but that doesn't make eldar any less op.

read the thread, it says that SM are the number 1 army. What league of there own are you talking about eldar have there weakness just like every army. And I said I'm my old thread "pretty much unbeatable" idk if people don't understand the difference. This thread is About the number one army out there and it's currently SM not eldar

You said:
"If you disagree then feel free to comment a eldar list, and I will give you a single SM CAD list that will walk all over it. This hate needs to be filtered towards SM more so then any other faction. #eldarlivesmatter"

I disagree. I belive eldar are top, and not sm. So I gave you a list to build a hard counter for. I just used the list that you wrote that was "I challenge anyone to give me a hard counter".

So I propose it to you. Build a single cad sm hard counter to your own "pretty much unbeatable list".

It can't be done. Especially not single cad. You can build a list that might compete/stand a chance, but it won't hard counter or "pants" it.

Besides, even if you could list tailor a sm list to hard counter an Eldar list, it wouldn't prove that SM are more powerful in general than eldar. All it would do is prove why list tailoring can be used for an advantage.

This thread is not "About the number one army out there and it's currently SM not eldar". Its about "I have anecdotal evidence that my op army isn't op because reasons".

TL;DR eldar are top still, even eldar players know it. And I used your own list to prove your point wrong.

3 3 man centurion squads with Libby's in two of them , 5 landspeeder storms with HF and bolster scouts inside,2 Storm talons and on 5 man tac squad in a pod with melta gun.
There you go, table the eldar army in two turns if not 1 turn

Go ahead, call my winning credentials into question. You cant use that dman because the space marine army you are going to put forth isn't going to any tournaments, it isnt even going to be played. What is going to happen is you will type it out and claim victory over anything put forth.

I could have sworn that when people practice for tournaments they played places like basements and game shops. Or do you only play in tournaments and never give those places your time because you are above that level of gaming?

I notice how you didn't argue any points and instead tried to prove your point by discrediting my anecdotal evidence. Now, show me your work on the mathematical breakdown of weapon systems and survivability ratios that are used in the creation of monstrous creatures and vehicles. I have over nine months of work on the rules in my signature down there. Break it. Prove my math is wrong. You won't. Even when (and there are instances where this will happen, I designed it to do so) you find things that don't line up, you will find that people agree that the points you came to actually make more sense than the games workshop equivalent.

Dman137 wrote:


it only gets locked because people start crying. It's sad really

No.

they get locked as you persist in making comments like ...

And as I figured, not one person can come up with a eldar list to post. It's sad that all a lot of you do is complain and cry wolf, but have no real evidence to support your claims

As/when/if you can manage to post without immediately infuriating other forum members, then your threads won't get locked.