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CSM if we forget mini codexes like Militarum Tempestus.

 Draco wrote:
CSM if we forget mini codexes like Militarum Tempestus.

At least MT have a theme that works, even if it is a one-trick-pony. CSM doesn't even have that.

 Selym wrote:
8 votes for Eldar. Not sure if joking...

Well, they are not wrong, if you take the viewpoint of Eldar being the worst codex for building a pure list because it is so egregiously overpowered that it sucks to even play with.

CSM it makes me sad to say but my khorne flake zerkers and nurgle marines are gathering dust hard. maybe oneday when im big they will rise and become the moderately decent force they deserve to be.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I don't know why people think Sisters are good. I play as them, and my friend who runs the Airborne Assault formation MT mono-codex list crushes me.

And MT have some votes here for worst codex!

They both do the Special weapon spam in different ways. I'd put my vote for MT being stronger though because they naturally have aircraft and Deep Strike (with Teleport Homers on their Tauroxs to boot).

The biggest problem wasn't the MT. It was the Valkyries. The Sororitas have exactly 0 AA options, which is why I said they are dead last - having 0 air defense is as crippling in the modern meta as having 0 things that can kill AV14 or 0 things that can fight in close combat.

I never bring air defense because stormravens suck. I ignore enemy air power.

You ignore the entire enemy army in some cases?

What do you just read a newspaper after setting up your models?

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
You ignore the entire enemy army in some cases?

What do you just read a newspaper after setting up your models?

That's what I'd do. I have one Vendetta, which cannot be transported due to being an awkward donkey-cave to fit in a box, and due to all IG armies requiring a minimum of 2 large boxes to transport. And I have one ADL, because I wanted cover on planet Bowling Ball.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
You ignore the entire enemy army in some cases?

What do you just read a newspaper after setting up your models?

Pretty much, yes. Its not really any worse than playing vs eldar or necrons or tau.

Martel732 wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
You ignore the entire enemy army in some cases?

What do you just read a newspaper after setting up your models?

Pretty much, yes. Its not really any worse than playing vs eldar or necrons or tau.

Be easier not to set up at all truth be told.

CSM is so bad.

Storm troopers anyone?

To be fair most flyers can be ignored successfully. There are only a few cases where this isn't the case, like a full flying necron bakery, some guy spamming flyrants or an elysian list.

People saying SoB must be mad or inexperienced. 25 points for fearless on any squad including allies? Cover ignoring scouting meltaguns? They only have a few units so they may seem like a one trick pony, but what they have is solid enough. Certainly beats out tempestus and harlequins as a stand alone force imo.

Sisters of Battle good? What, have they had a brand spanking new codex since I last checked only days ago?

 master of ordinance wrote:
Sisters of Battle good? What, have they had a brand spanking new codex since I last checked only days ago?

Yea, it was in the update that made CSM competent again. They got a starter set containing plastic SoB vs just-out-of-the-warp HH style CSM. Came with FAQ's for all books thus far, too.

Well, out of five players in my meta, if I tell them I am playing sisters, I get:

1) Elysian
2) MT in Valkyries formation
3) Necron Bakery
4) Flying Circus daemons
5) three Heldrakes with ID AP3 flamers.

They know I have no AA and they relentlessly exploit that weakness.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Sisters of Battle good? What, have they had a brand spanking new codex since I last checked only days ago?

Below are a couple charts that make your opinion seem silly.
I keep looking for the SoB to be toward the bottom of the list in win %, but I don't see them. But, then again, these are from very competitive tournaments, so.. wait... that doesn't help your argument either.

LVO 2015 (old eldar and old necrons)


NOVA 2015

 deviantduck wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Sisters of Battle good? What, have they had a brand spanking new codex since I last checked only days ago?

Below are a couple charts that make your opinion seem silly.
I keep looking for the SoB to be toward the bottom of the list in win %, but I don't see them. But, then again, these are from very competitive tournaments, so.. wait... that doesn't help your argument either.

LVO 2015 (old eldar and old necrons)


NOVA 2015

Both of those tournaments have many houserules.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Sisters of Battle good? What, have they had a brand spanking new codex since I last checked only days ago?

Below are a couple charts that make your opinion seem silly.
I keep looking for the SoB to be toward the bottom of the list in win %, but I don't see them. But, then again, these are from very competitive tournaments, so.. wait... that doesn't help your argument either.

LVO 2015 (old eldar and old necrons)


NOVA 2015

Both of those tournaments have many houserules.

Unless you're playing triple wraithknight vs unbound, so do you

As long as nurgle is a thing C:CSM will never be the worst. Yeah the whole codex ain't great, and I know as I had a tzeentch army, but plague marine's/unit's make up for a lot. For me it's now between orks and BA for the worst stand alone dex with DE not far ahead.

 Lobukia wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Sisters of Battle good? What, have they had a brand spanking new codex since I last checked only days ago?

Below are a couple charts that make your opinion seem silly.
I keep looking for the SoB to be toward the bottom of the list in win %, but I don't see them. But, then again, these are from very competitive tournaments, so.. wait... that doesn't help your argument either.

LVO 2015 (old eldar and old necrons)


NOVA 2015

Both of those tournaments have many houserules.

Unless you're playing triple wraithknight vs unbound, so do you

Yes... what is your point?

His point is "SoB must be OP, they can spam MELTA!!"

 Selym wrote:
His point is "SoB must be OP, they can spam MELTA!!"

Seriously? Both the previous poster and I simply stated that SoB have viable tactics that remain relevant in today's meta, and that their win percentage in tournament settings is not as low as one might expect from an army that some people consider bottom tier.

Nowhere did we use the words "OP" or "overpowered". Obviously SoB is not as competitive as a top tier list, but it certainly isn't bottom.

Stop straw man'ing and actually address what we are saying if you want to comment.

Alrighty then, do either of those tournaments allow allies?