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The following is an excerpt a friend of mine linked me from the KDK codex. It seems to fly in the face of existing Tyranid lore, which iirc reports Daemons phasing out of existence due to the shadow in the warp. Moreover, I think I remember hearing that Khorne cared not for the slaughter of Nids, since it was essentially like killing animals, not fighting opposing warriors? Anyway here it is:

"Rapacious and destructive, Tyranid splinter fleets are amongst the most
dangerous of the galaxy’s many threats; a fact that leads the Daemonkin
of the Harvest to actively seek them out. Tyranid attacks upon fortified
positions are utterly relentless, as wave after wave of bio-beasts surge
forward into the bloody meatgrinder of siege warfare. Stood atop the
battlements of their stolen fortresses, the warriors of the Harvest relish
these headlong assaults for the wealth of blood and skulls they inevitably
bring.

Though the battles of these two foes have left countless strongpoints
demolished and heaped with corpses, one of their greatest ever clashes
came in the cold void of space. Led by packs of snarling Warp Talons, the
Harvest audaciously tore their way through the Immaterium and straight
into the seething innards of a Tyranid hive ship.

Spilling into the guts of the mega-beast, the Harvest set about
slaughtering the writhing creature from the inside out. Though it sent
showers of acid and swarms of weapon beasts against them, the hive ship
could not purge its tormentors. Carving a path through the fleshy walls
and pulsing viscera that confronted them, the Harvest slew the enormous
beast in the name of Khorne, before digging in to resist the inevitable
counter-attack. Sure enough, Tyranid bio-craft soon latched onto the hide
of their shoal-mate, spewing swarm after swarm of horrors into its
carcass. Yet the Harvest counter-charged time and again, the body count
rising until Daemons tore through the veil to lend their blades to the
battle. Finally, the last Tyranid beasts fell, bodies riddled with bolts and
brutally sawn apart. Ichor stained and victorious, the last of the Harvest
howled Khorne’s praises into the void."

Now I can perhaps concede that Khorne likes slaughter even of Nids - ichor for the ichor god and all that. However what seems to fly more in the face of existing lore are two things: the warp talons materialising inside a hive ship, which even in a splinter fleet should have a colossal shadow in the warp; and secondly, the fact that enough of a slaughter was performed to summon Daemons - which unless the Talons had been systematically hunting down synapse creatures (including the Norn Queen) - seems unlikely to be possible.

So what do people think - is this something that can be squared in the fluff, or is this something of a contradiction with the existing Nid stuff?

The Shadow in the Warp can send Daemons back to the Warp, or prevent them from materializing, *if* it is strong enough to overcome the local Warp disturbances and such that permit daemons in the first place.

If not? Then it can't.... and the more bugs die, the weaker the Shadow gets.

Bit iffy imo. A lot of the mini stories in recent codices, contradict each other in the name of said codex (we pewpew the best since its our codex and all that).
Its possible the talons made it onto a bioship and even managed to kill its (possibly slumbering) inhabitants - the only active creatures on hibernating bioships are ripper swarms, Guards and Tervigons iirc.
However once Nid reinforcement ships arrive, it becomes less likely.
Maybe it was a severly weakened, small and isolated biofleet and the talons used some other means of summoning their daemonkin rather than blind slaughter through the warp.
Its a semi interesting piece of fluff but I wouldnt see it as the norm.

The Tyranid codex is the aberration here, I remember thinking it was silly when I first read it.
But important to note is that Daemonkin daemons are not unstable. Such is the power of the slaughter they unleash that they can can remain in the materium indefinitely.

The Tyranid codex is the aberration here, I remember thinking it was silly when I first read it.

How so? The quote is from the KDK book no?

Nothing contradicting the fluff here. Tyranids and deamons have fought each other plenty of times before. Deamons can exist despite the shadow in the Warp depending on which force is stronger.
Some Chaos marines attacking and killing a Tyranid ship? Nothing out of the ordinary there, there is much weirder stuff in 40k.

 Ratius wrote:

The Tyranid codex is the aberration here, I remember thinking it was silly when I first read it.

How so?

How's it aberrant?
Because it goes against previous and later fluff.
Khornate daemons not drawing sustenance from spilling Tyranid ichor because it's not blood is silly because each alien species would have different "blood" anyway

That is why I said the OP quote is from the kdk book......which is post Nid codex

A lot of the mini stories in recent codices, contradict each other in the name of said codex (we pewpew the best since its our codex and all that).

Agreed?

Welcome to GW fluff. It contradicts itself

Animus wrote:

 Ratius wrote:

The Tyranid codex is the aberration here, I remember thinking it was silly when I first read it.

How so?

How's it aberrant?
Because it goes against previous and later fluff.
Khornate daemons not drawing sustenance from spilling Tyranid ichor because it's not blood is silly because each alien species would have different "blood" anyway

Daemons draw sustenance from emotions, spilling blood is secondary to the emotions that such action generates. Tyranids don't have emotions so spilling their "blood" has no emotional value and doesn't sustains the Daemons.

The thing here is that the Tyranids aren't the only beings in the battle. Mortal followers of Chaos have emotions like all mortals and feed Chaos, so the Daemons could materialize using the Chaos followers for sustenance.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Nothing contradicting the fluff here. Tyranids and deamons have fought each other plenty of times before. Deamons can exist despite the shadow in the Warp depending on which force is stronger.
Some Chaos marines attacking and killing a Tyranid ship? Nothing out of the ordinary there, there is much weirder stuff in 40k.

Maybe I misrepresented what I think is one of the major weird things. I'm perfectly accepting that Nids can fight Daemons, the Nid codex describes such an event - it's just that when the Nids were massed enough, the daemons began to phase out. The thing I find most odd is the initial sortie - I don't know too much about Warp Talons, but I thought they were at least partially daemonic and transported themselves by tearing holes in the warp - being able to do so onto the middle of a Nid ship, likely the biggest SITW around, is what seems really weird. I guess the explanation would be "Warp Talons are different to other transport through the warp", but still.

Benlisted wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Nothing contradicting the fluff here. Tyranids and deamons have fought each other plenty of times before. Deamons can exist despite the shadow in the Warp depending on which force is stronger.
Some Chaos marines attacking and killing a Tyranid ship? Nothing out of the ordinary there, there is much weirder stuff in 40k.

Maybe I misrepresented what I think is one of the major weird things. I'm perfectly accepting that Nids can fight Daemons, the Nid codex describes such an event - it's just that when the Nids were massed enough, the daemons began to phase out. The thing I find most odd is the initial sortie - I don't know too much about Warp Talons, but I thought they were at least partially daemonic and transported themselves by tearing holes in the warp - being able to do so onto the middle of a Nid ship, likely the biggest SITW around, is what seems really weird. I guess the explanation would be "Warp Talons are different to other transport through the warp", but still.

Or simply that it's not as simple as "SitW always trumps Daemons" or "Daemons always trump SitW".

Like Psienesis suggests, it's much more sensible to accept that both powers can vary in intensity. SitW could be impenetrably thick around a Norn Queen Hive Ship, or relatively weak around a splinter of a handful of ships as the quoted text suggests. I really don't see that happening around the larger tendrils. Leviathan is now moving in such numbers that the SitW wras around it so thickly that Eldar are instantly killed by the trauma when they come within a few million kilometers of it unless they hide behind the souls of their dead (see Wraithflight for more).

Saying that the Shadow in the Warp could do something to the warp itself or Daemons haven't understood how the shadow actually emerges; the Shadow comes from extreme traffic between the material universe and the Warp because of the extreme communication of Tyranid creatures. So the Shadow affects those in the material universe who use their minds to draw power from the Warp like the Greater Daemon of Nurgle did in the story of Shadowbrink. With this correct description of the Shadow in the Warp, I can't see any contradictions.

 Tyran wrote:

Daemons draw sustenance from emotions, spilling blood is secondary to the emotions that such action generates. Tyranids don't have emotions so spilling their "blood" has no emotional value and doesn't sustains the Daemons.

The thing here is that the Tyranids aren't the only beings in the battle. Mortal followers of Chaos have emotions like all mortals and feed Chaos, so the Daemons could materialize using the Chaos followers for sustenance.

Was'nt there a story about a eldar psyker who had interaction with the hive mind (or at least part of it) where it expressed hatred agaisnt her for defeating a bunch of nids? If i remember correctly it was a bone singer who saw the hive mind for what is was and called it a "dragon" that existed outside the materium and since she was so atteuned to seeing things that existed in the immitrium she could see it. In the end it was angry at her and promised to kill her and everything she loved when it returned. That would seem to inditcate that the nids (as a whole, maybe not the individual) have emotions and can therefore feed the deamons. As more die, the hive mind becomes angry and Khorne digs it.

taurising wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

Daemons draw sustenance from emotions, spilling blood is secondary to the emotions that such action generates. Tyranids don't have emotions so spilling their "blood" has no emotional value and doesn't sustains the Daemons.

The thing here is that the Tyranids aren't the only beings in the battle. Mortal followers of Chaos have emotions like all mortals and feed Chaos, so the Daemons could materialize using the Chaos followers for sustenance.

Was'nt there a story about a eldar psyker who had interaction with the hive mind (or at least part of it) where it expressed hatred agaisnt her for defeating a bunch of nids? If i remember correctly it was a bone singer who saw the hive mind for what is was and called it a "dragon" that existed outside the materium and since she was so atteuned to seeing things that existed in the immitrium she could see it. In the end it was angry at her and promised to kill her and everything she loved when it returned. That would seem to inditcate that the nids (as a whole, maybe not the individual) have emotions and can therefore feed the deamons. As more die, the hive mind becomes angry and Khorne digs it.

As a whole the Hive Mind seems capable of experiencing hatred. But as in the Fall of Shadowbrink the Daemons didn't get sustenance of the Tyranids, I guess the emotion is simply to alien and to basic to feed Khorne.

 Tyran wrote:

taurising wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

Daemons draw sustenance from emotions, spilling blood is secondary to the emotions that such action generates. Tyranids don't have emotions so spilling their "blood" has no emotional value and doesn't sustains the Daemons.

The thing here is that the Tyranids aren't the only beings in the battle. Mortal followers of Chaos have emotions like all mortals and feed Chaos, so the Daemons could materialize using the Chaos followers for sustenance.

Was'nt there a story about a eldar psyker who had interaction with the hive mind (or at least part of it) where it expressed hatred agaisnt her for defeating a bunch of nids? If i remember correctly it was a bone singer who saw the hive mind for what is was and called it a "dragon" that existed outside the materium and since she was so atteuned to seeing things that existed in the immitrium she could see it. In the end it was angry at her and promised to kill her and everything she loved when it returned. That would seem to inditcate that the nids (as a whole, maybe not the individual) have emotions and can therefore feed the deamons. As more die, the hive mind becomes angry and Khorne digs it.

As a whole the Hive Mind seems capable of experiencing hatred. But as in the Fall of Shadowbrink the Daemons didn't get sustenance of the Tyranids, I guess the emotion is simply to alien and to basic to feed Khorne.

Indeed. Although, it could be because the other gods get nearly nothing from them.

Tzeench wouldnt get much since the nid do very little subversion (minus the geanstealers really, they could do some "just as planned" stuff)
Slaanesh would be kinda stressed since they arent lustful or anything (although even there, you could say that thier evolustion is the pursuit of perfection)
Nugle would be the hardest hit really since there is no desire to preserve ones self, the plauges are overcome almost immediatly, and they dont have any paternal love
Khorne might get the most (if we are saying that the hive mind can exhibit hatred, if not outright bloodlust, even though it isnt slaughter for the sake of slaughter, there is an endstate in mind)

So in that case it may have been that the other gods in the group just werent getting enough out of it and the Khonate ones werent getting enough sustenance to sustain on thier own.