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So I am getting the Shadow Force Solaq, so I am getting more Sternguard than what I used to have. This is a list that I potentially could run with a few more purchases.

HQ
Pedro Kantor - 185 pts (Goes in Land Raider Redeemer with the Honour Guard)

Elites
Honour Guard (Power Maul on Champion, 4x Power Maul, 2x Power Axe, Standard of the Emperor Ascendant) - 245 pts (Go in Land Raider Redeemer with Pedro Kantor)
Sternguard Veteran Squad (5x Combi-Melta, Drop Pod) - 305 pts
Sternguard Veteran Squad (5x Combi-Melta, Drop Pod) - 305 pts

Troops
Scout Squad (5x Bolters, Land Speeder Storm w/ Heavy Flamer) - 95 pts
Scout Squad (5x Bolters, Land Speeder Storm w/ Heavy Flamer) - 95 pts

Fast Attack
Stormtalon Gunship (Skyhammer Missile Launcher) - 115 pts
Stormtalon Gunship (Skyhammer Missile Launcher) - 115 pts

Heavy Support
Devastator Squad (4x Lascannon) - 150 pts
Devastator Squad (4x Missile Launcher) - 130 pts
Land Raider Redeemer (Multi-Melta, Extra Armour) - 260 pts

Possible exchanges -
Take out the ML Devs and put in a squad of two Assault Cannon Land Speeders
Exchange the Relic Standard for more points spent elsewhere (don't have another Honour Guard)

Any recommendations?

EDIT: Just realized that the current setup I have is actually fairly fluffy for Crimson Fists. The Sternguard and Honour Guard are elite veterans, the Scouts are fresh recruits to a Chapter trying to rebuild. Devastators are what Scouts that graduate into being Battle Brothers end up becoming first. Stormtalons are piloted by Techmarines, something the Crimson Fists have an overabundance of. Kinda neat, IMO.

Now that I have seen the Kauyon stuff, I think I want to take the Missile Devastators out and put two Assault Cannon Land Speeders in with the Raptor Wing formation. I really want to gain that automatic arrival and reroll wounds ability.

I would def take out the missile devs. Missiles are a lot weaker these days.

Why heavy flamer on the storms? Now that they are bs 4 I would think the free heavy bolter just as good.

Honor guard are expensive and so are the stern. I would rather see 1 less sternguard and pedro in a pod. You could cut them and the redeemer saving you like 500 points for more bodies.

 Icelord wrote:
I would def take out the missile devs. Missiles are a lot weaker these days.

Why heavy flamer on the storms? Now that they are bs 4 I would think the free heavy bolter just as good.

Honor guard are expensive and so are the stern. I would rather see 1 less sternguard and pedro in a pod. You could cut them and the redeemer saving you like 500 points for more bodies.

Flamers are on LSS because they were assembled prior to the BS increase. Plus, Ignore Cover when I face a lot of jinking armies is paramount.

Honour Guard are expensive, but the squad I run will get 50-some attacks on the charge. The LRR is needed to get them to where they can charge. However, I have considered running them from a pod instead of the raider. They would need to weather a turn of Fire though before they could charge. I will run it both ways and see what works.

I would prefer a crusader over a redeemer. I just find it more effective. Its super hard to get those flamers where you need.

 Icelord wrote:
I would prefer a crusader over a redeemer. I just find it more effective. Its super hard to get those flamers where you need.

I built it as a LRR, but I could probably dismantle the weapons and make it a LRC.

You should get the gladius strike force and use kantor as a HQ. It will allow you 5 sternguard squads and give you some more rules that are very useful. Plus, you'll need more formations that can give you other various bonuses and help you out even more. You can field that formation with 1850pts so 2k will allow you more upgrades too.

 Krissp wrote:
You should get the gladius strike force and use kantor as a HQ. It will allow you 5 sternguard squads and give you some more rules that are very useful. Plus, you'll need more formations that can give you other various bonuses and help you out even more. You can field that formation with 1850pts so 2k will allow you more upgrades too.

None of those Sternguard will be ObSec since they aren't in Pedro's Detachment. I don't have enough Sternguard to make that happen anyway. Also, Pedro can't be used in place of one of the Captains in a BDC.

I think I am going to do the Raptor Wing and take the Missile Devs out. Two AsC Speeders will do better anyway due to their speed.

For right now, I am going to leave the Land Raider as a Land Raider Redeemer. I should just get a Land Raider Conversion sprue and magnetize it though. Shouldn't be too hard to pull the sponsons off.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Krissp wrote:
You should get the gladius strike force and use kantor as a HQ. It will allow you 5 sternguard squads and give you some more rules that are very useful. Plus, you'll need more formations that can give you other various bonuses and help you out even more. You can field that formation with 1850pts so 2k will allow you more upgrades too.

None of those Sternguard will be ObSec since they aren't in Pedro's Detachment. I don't have enough Sternguard to make that happen anyway. Also, Pedro can't be used in place of one of the Captains in a BDC.

I think I am going to do the Raptor Wing and take the Missile Devs out. Two AsC Speeders will do better anyway due to their speed.

For right now, I am going to leave the Land Raider as a Land Raider Redeemer. I should just get a Land Raider Conversion sprue and magnetize it though. Shouldn't be too hard to pull the sponsons off.

Did you even read my post? the gladius formation includes a HQ/ character (can be kantor) then, the 1st company task force will be in the same detachment since it'll be part of the gladius too!
here's a link
I quote:
"Battle Demi-Company - A Captain or Chaplain (which may be any of the named ICs)"
And
"Strike Force Command- Any Captain or Chaplain (named ICs included, as well as Marneus Calgar)"

 Krissp wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Krissp wrote:
You should get the gladius strike force and use kantor as a HQ. It will allow you 5 sternguard squads and give you some more rules that are very useful. Plus, you'll need more formations that can give you other various bonuses and help you out even more. You can field that formation with 1850pts so 2k will allow you more upgrades too.

None of those Sternguard will be ObSec since they aren't in Pedro's Detachment. I don't have enough Sternguard to make that happen anyway. Also, Pedro can't be used in place of one of the Captains in a BDC.

I think I am going to do the Raptor Wing and take the Missile Devs out. Two AsC Speeders will do better anyway due to their speed.

For right now, I am going to leave the Land Raider as a Land Raider Redeemer. I should just get a Land Raider Conversion sprue and magnetize it though. Shouldn't be too hard to pull the sponsons off.

Did you even read my post? the gladius formation includes a HQ/ character (can be kantor) then, the 1st company task force will be in the same detachment since it'll be part of the gladius too!
here's a link
I quote:
"Battle Demi-Company - A Captain or Chaplain (which may be any of the named ICs)"
And
"Strike Force Command- Any Captain or Chaplain (named ICs included, as well as Marneus Calgar)"

so...I need to run a Captain and some form of Assault group that I am not currently running. I need to sacrifice my entire AA group, which is a death sentence in my group as EVERYONE runs flyers, and fabricate another Sternguard squad and three Tactical Squads out of nowhere, just to run a Gladius.

I am not saying what you said is bad advice, but the only thing people ever post anymore in a C:SM army thread is "Run a Gladius". Look at the army presented. Does it look like a Gladius can be made from that without completely redoing the army from scratch? If I had the makings of a Gladius that only needed a swap or two to complete, fine.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:


I am not saying what you said is bad advice, but the only thing people ever post anymore in a C:SM army thread is "Run a Gladius". Look at the army presented. Does it look like a Gladius can be made from that without completely redoing the army from scratch? If I had the makings of a Gladius that only needed a swap or two to complete, fine.

I'm just saying, you don't have to do it

 Krissp wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:


I am not saying what you said is bad advice, but the only thing people ever post anymore in a C:SM army thread is "Run a Gladius". Look at the army presented. Does it look like a Gladius can be made from that without completely redoing the army from scratch? If I had the makings of a Gladius that only needed a swap or two to complete, fine.

I'm just saying, you don't have to do it

I know . I am actually going to be getting a third Tactical Squad (need give marines to finish my second Sternguard squad), so I will actually have the ability to run a Gladius, I just lack most of the vehicles needed. I wish that Crimson Fists could use the WS and RG detachments, I would definitely run a Pinion BDC, a Raptor Wing, and a 1st Company Formation if I could. I definitely want my Sternguard to be in Pedro's detachment to get ObSec (they, oddly, would be the only ObSec units in my army).

If I was you I'd stick to crimson fists anyways, you have nice buffs for bolt weapons...
Whatever you do your list is solid so you should be all right >_>

 Krissp wrote:
If I was you I'd stick to crimson fists anyways, you have nice buffs for bolt weapons...
Whatever you do your list is solid so you should be all right >_>

My tactical squads are Combi-Melta and Meltagun. The third likely will be as well. I like my Meltaguns.

If I had more vehicles, I would absolutely consider a Gladius. Three Rhinobacks and two drop pods isn't enough to make a Gladius worth it. Regardless, bolt weapon spam is my way.

This is the updated list.

Combined Arms Detachment

HQ
Pedro Kantor - 185 pts (Goes in Land Raider Redeemer with the Honour Guard)

Elites
Honour Guard (Power Maul on Champion, 4x Power Maul, 2x Power Axe, Standard of the Emperor Ascendant) - 245 pts (Go in Land Raider Redeemer with Pedro Kantor)
Sternguard Veteran Squad (5x Combi-Melta, Drop Pod) - 305 pts
Sternguard Veteran Squad (5x Combi-Melta, Drop Pod) - 305 pts

Troops
Scout Squad (5x Bolters, Land Speeder Storm w/ Heavy Flamer) - 95 pts
Scout Squad (5x Bolters, Land Speeder Storm w/ Heavy Flamer) - 95 pts

Heavy Support
Devastator Squad (4x Lascannon) - 150 pts
Land Raider Redeemer (Multi-Melta, Extra Armour) - 260 puts

Raptor Wing

Land Speeder Squadron (x2 Heavy Bolter and Assault Cannon)
Stormtalon Gunship (Skyhammer Missile Launcher)
Stormtalon Gunship (Skyhammer Missile Launcher)

Total 2000/2000

Find 34 points for an inqusitor with servo skulls. Stop bikes in there tracks

 Krissp wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Krissp wrote:
You should get the gladius strike force and use kantor as a HQ. It will allow you 5 sternguard squads and give you some more rules that are very useful. Plus, you'll need more formations that can give you other various bonuses and help you out even more. You can field that formation with 1850pts so 2k will allow you more upgrades too.

None of those Sternguard will be ObSec since they aren't in Pedro's Detachment. I don't have enough Sternguard to make that happen anyway. Also, Pedro can't be used in place of one of the Captains in a BDC.

I think I am going to do the Raptor Wing and take the Missile Devs out. Two AsC Speeders will do better anyway due to their speed.

For right now, I am going to leave the Land Raider as a Land Raider Redeemer. I should just get a Land Raider Conversion sprue and magnetize it though. Shouldn't be too hard to pull the sponsons off.

Did you even read my post? the gladius formation includes a HQ/ character (can be kantor) then, the 1st company task force will be in the same detachment since it'll be part of the gladius too!
here's a link
I quote:
"Battle Demi-Company - A Captain or Chaplain (which may be any of the named ICs)"
And
"Strike Force Command- Any Captain or Chaplain (named ICs included, as well as Marneus Calgar)"

Demi companies can most certainly not have any named IC replace the captain only named Captains. Pedro Kanto is a chaptermaster so he cant be taken instead of a captain.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
As for the list, its not bad by any means but the 690pts death star you have there just doesnt compare to other death stars of the same points. If you arent going for super competitive then Im sure it will be fine

Yeah, I am trying to maximize Pedro's shooting and close combat at the same time. I should probably choose one or the other. I have thought about using a Terminator Assault Squad or Terminator Tactical Squad instead of the Honour Guard. They would certainly be more survivable due to their Invul, but also more expensive. Secret option #3 is an Assault Centurion squad. They would have shooting and assault, but lack overwatch. They also have the interesting ability to allow Pedro to laugh his Orbital Strike on the move.

Is there a different delivery method you would recommend rather than a Land Raider Redeemer that would let me save on points? Not much is an Assault transport.

tedurur wrote:

Demi companies can most certainly not have any named IC replace the captain only named Captains. Pedro Kanto is a chaptermaster so he cant be taken instead of a captain.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
As for the list, its not bad by any means but the 690pts death star you have there just doesnt compare to other death stars of the same points. If you arent going for super competitive then Im sure it will be fine

So I can have Marneus Calgar, chapter master of the Ultramarines, but not Pedro? How does that make any sense?

 Krissp wrote:

tedurur wrote:

Demi companies can most certainly not have any named IC replace the captain only named Captains. Pedro Kanto is a chaptermaster so he cant be taken instead of a captain.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
As for the list, its not bad by any means but the 690pts death star you have there just doesnt compare to other death stars of the same points. If you arent going for super competitive then Im sure it will be fine

So I can have Marneus Calgar, chapter master of the Ultramarines, but not Pedro? How does that make any sense?

You cant have Calgar replce the Captain in the demi company either. You can however use both Pedore and Calgar in the strike force command

tedurur wrote:

 Krissp wrote:

tedurur wrote:

Demi companies can most certainly not have any named IC replace the captain only named Captains. Pedro Kanto is a chaptermaster so he cant be taken instead of a captain.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
As for the list, its not bad by any means but the 690pts death star you have there just doesnt compare to other death stars of the same points. If you arent going for super competitive then Im sure it will be fine

So I can have Marneus Calgar, chapter master of the Ultramarines, but not Pedro? How does that make any sense?

You cant have Calgar replce the Captain in the demi company either. You can however use both Pedore and Calgar in the strike force command

The newer BDCs (Pinion and Scarblade) allow one to use Pedro in them, so perhaps GW will put out errata allowing Pedro in a Battle Demi-Company. I would love it if they did, since it would save me on points. Pedro would go with a Terminator Assault Squad or Terminator Squad (depending on how I feel) that is part of a 1st Company Task Force. I could definitely make that work. It wouldn't be very far from some of my other lists.

So I had a couple thoughts on how to maximize some of the effectiveness of this army. I made a few changes. Namely, that Land Raider Redeemer would benefit greatly from the addition of Torrent. Yes, it does drive its price up by the 40 pts needed for the Promethium Relay Pipes, but it does give it a higher effective range. I also decided not to equip my Champion with a Power Maul, giving him a Power Sword instead. The Land Raider will start out near the pipes, as will the Land Speeder Storms so they can fire off a few blasts with increased range. I could deploy the pipes up the board a ways to get even more range. The Raider would drive up behind it and chuck fire further up the field. Roast any MEQs I can. Never mind, I missed the fact that only non-vehicle models can benefit from the Promethium Relay Pipes.

Combined Arms Detachment

HQ
Pedro Kantor - 185 pts (Goes in Land Raider Redeemer with the Honour Guard)

Elites
Honour Guard (Power Sword on Champion, 4x Power Maul, 2x Power Axe, Chapter StandardStandard of the Emperor Ascendent) - 210 pts (Go in Land Raider Redeemer with Pedro Kantor)
Sternguard Veteran Squad (5x Combi-Melta, Drop Pod) - 305 pts
Sternguard Veteran Squad (5x Combi-Melta, Drop Pod) - 305 pts

Troops
Scout Squad (5x Bolters, Land Speeder Storm w/ Heavy Flamer) - 95 pts
Scout Squad (5x Bolters, Land Speeder Storm w/ Heavy Flamer) - 95 pts

Heavy Support
Devastator Squad (4x Lascannon, Armorium Cherub) - 150 pts
Land Raider Redeemer (Multi-Melta, Extra Armour) - 250 pts260 pts

Fortification
Promethium Relay Pipes - 40 pts

Raptor Wing

Land Speeder Squadron (x2 Heavy Bolter and Assault Cannon)
Stormtalon Gunship (Skyhammer Missile Launcher)
Stormtalon Gunship (Skyhammer Missile Launcher)

Total 2000/2000

I made a few changes to this list. Namely, I converted my Land Raider Redeemer to a Crusader. Also, I am considering running a Terminator Squad. But, I am left with 50 pts. What could I get for those points? At this time, the only thing I can really afford is an Aegis Defense Line to put those Devastators behind.

Combined Arms Detachment

HQ
Pedro Kantor - 185 pts (Goes in Land Raider Crusader with the Terminator Squad)

Elites
Terminator Squad (Assault Cannon, Land Raider Crusader with Multi-Melta) - 455 pts
Sternguard Veteran Squad (5x Combi-Melta, Drop Pod) - 305 pts
Sternguard Veteran Squad (5x Combi-Melta, Drop Pod) - 305 pts

Troops
Scout Squad (5x Bolters, Land Speeder Storm w/ Heavy Flamer) - 95 pts
Scout Squad (5x Bolters, Land Speeder Storm w/ Heavy Flamer) - 95 pts

Heavy Support
Devastator Squad (4x Lascannon) - 150 pts

Raptor Wing

Land Speeder Squadron (x2 Heavy Bolter and Assault Cannon)
Stormtalon Gunship (Skyhammer Missile Launcher)
Stormtalon Gunship (Skyhammer Missile Launcher)

Total 1950/2000

Assault Terminators >>> Regular ones.

Swap bolters on Scouts to CCW- they are going to get there anyway.
Give them a meltabomb to have teeth.

Land speeder from raptor wing is better served with Typhoon.
Same is true for Storm Talons.

 cabal_therapy wrote:
Assault Terminators >>> Regular ones.

Swap bolters on Scouts to CCW- they are going to get there anyway.
Give them a meltabomb to have teeth.

Land speeder from raptor wing is better served with Typhoon.
Same is true for Storm Talons.

These are Crimson Fists, they don't give up their Bolters for anything. The Terminators are interchangeable with my Honour Guard. The Raptor Wing speeders need to be within 18" of their target in order to grant Tank Hunters and Shred to their Talons, hence why they have Assault Cannons. Might as well save a few points and get a few more shots. I have considered equipping the Talons with Typhoons though.

Win>>fluff.

You are wasting your charge potential - open topped LSS is made for it. You can easily clean home scoring as it is generally weak to close combat.

Also Crimson Fists are , fluff-wise, known for actually having brains in their spehss mehreen head and thus using right tactics for right situations. This is an absolute case of such thing.

And you get to keep a bolt pistol anyway.

Open-topped also lets them shoot all their Bolters on a moving platform. And ditching shooting for better CC is a losing strategy.

I am considering running my Missile Devs instead of the the Lascannon Devs so I can fit another Assault Cannon Speeder or the Land Speeder Darkwind from Solaq in there. A Scouting Speeder with a 3+ Jink is pretty nice.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Open-topped also lets them shoot all their Bolters on a moving platform. And ditching shooting for better CC is a losing strategy.

Your pick - Your loss.