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Chapter Tactics White Scars:

Kor'sarro Khan (Moondrakkan) – 150 {Attached to the Command Squad}
Command Squad (Space Marine Bikes, Apothecary, 4 Space Marine Veterans, 4 Grav Guns) – 200

Space Marine Bike Squad (Sergeant with Combi-Grav & Melta Bombs, 4 Space Marine Bikers, 2 Grav Guns) – 150
Space Marine Bike Squad (Sergeant with Combi-Grav & Melta Bombs, 4 Space Marine Bikers, 2 Grav Guns) – 150
Space Marine Bike Squad (Sergeant with Combi-Grav & Melta Bombs, 4 Space Marine Bikers, 2 Grav Guns) – 150
Space Marine Bike Squad (Sergeant with Combi-Melta & Melta Bombs, 4 Space Marine Bikers, 2 Melta Guns) – 140
Space Marine Bike Squad (Sergeant with Combi-Melta & Melta Bombs, 4 Space Marine Bikers, 2 Melta Guns) – 140
Space Marine Bike Squad (Sergeant with Combi-Melta & Melta Bombs, 4 Space Marine Bikers, 2 Melta Guns) – 140

Storm Talon (Assault Cannon & Skyhammer Missile Launcher) – 115
Storm Talon (Assault Cannon & Skyhammer Missile Launcher) – 115

Thunderfire Cannon (Techmarine Gunner) – 100
Thunderfire Cannon (Techmarine Gunner) – 100

= 1650

At this point i'm stuck as what to add in for the last 200 points. A few options come to mind


5 man terminator squad with ac & cf deep striking

ml 2 libby on a bike with auspex and a double heavy flamer land speeder (deep striking in)

possibly allying in inquisition and taking a cheap inquisitor / 3 man acolyte squad / valkyrie with multiple rocket pods

another bike command squad same load out

10 man assault squad with a power weapon sgt / 2 flamers / jump packs (combat squadding for objective harassment)

5 man sternguard squad with combis in a drop pod

my main issue is I have the terminators / libby & land speeder / inquisition but I would have to buy the other options (which I would rather not drop another $30-70 on ebay right now). From what I can see the command squad / assault squad would be the more competitive options, any thoughts as to how the terminators or libby setup would work with the list?

Libby landspeeder is the best option

What about a fully kitted CM dropping one bike from each melta squad?

I thought about that originally but the chapter master is a bit of a point sink for ablative wounds in the command squad ... just a scars smashmaster is 230-235 and having the extra bikes in the squads helps a little bit with anti-infantry / wound attrition.

Thanks for the C&C so far , anyone else have anything?

I'm going to agree with a fully kitted out Chapter Master at the cost of a few bikers - he can do a lot more than be a tank, he can drive off and murder units on his own, he soaks up the damage that would otherwise pound Khan and the Command Squad into paste, and is a threat that will scare a lot of opponents into making poor decisions, especially when he's guaranteed to have a charge turn 2.

Another option is adding in a Stormraven and putting them in a Stormwing. Melta/Asscannon Stormraven isn't bad for it's points... (But not great either >.&gt

Fully kitted out chapter master is what you need

As above, i too believe the best tactical choice is a CM. Khan is not fitted for CC, this way you add a very versatile threat that your opponent must spend considerable resources to negate.
Otherwise, i would add a third Stormtalon and TFC

Ok, anyone else have anything noteworth besides the smashmaster? Going to look at readjusting points.

Been thinking about different options to add ...

How do you guys think a captain would work out instead of a chapter master? You lose out on 1 wound and the orbital bombardment but he can still take for the command squad decently and can split charge small groups.

Captain (Space Marine Bike, Artificer Armor, Teeth of Terra, Storm Shield, Auspex, Melta Bombs) - 190 (10 points left over, I guess add in digital weapons)

Captain (Space Marine Bike, Artificer Armor, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, Auspex) - 180 (0 points left)
and add melta bombs on the command squad vets - 20

or drop one of the melta squads down to a 3 man (sgt with cm & mb, 2 bikes with mg) and add in

Chapter Master (Space Marine Bike, Artificer Armor, Thunder Hammer, The Shield Eternal, Auspex) - 255 (9 points left over) - the smashmaster is just so expensive, even running him with a ss rather than the relic ss
and add melta bombs on the command squad vets - 20

Any Thoughts?

I have a similar problem with a list that has 170 spare points. Since Tau is the new hotness, I'd like to ask anyone familiar with the new Tau codex, what doesn't Tau want to face?

 Whereswaldo wrote:

Captain (Space Marine Bike, Artificer Armor, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, Auspex) - 180 (0 points left)
and add melta bombs on the command squad vets - 20

This one if you don't want to lose those extra boddies in your bike squads. He's like a mini smashmaster.

 Whereswaldo wrote:
Chapter Master (Space Marine Bike, Artificer Armor, Thunder Hammer, The Shield Eternal, Auspex) - 255 (9 points left over
and add melta bombs on the command squad vets - 20

This one if you don't mind losing a couple of bikers. Smashmaster is awesome

You could also not bother with the melta bombs on the command squad and keep one of the bikes with only 8 points left.

After looking at the new white scar relics I think a ml 2 Libby on a bike with hunters eye might be the best option, the 4 grav command squad ignoring cover combined with the divination primarius or invisibility from telepathy would be brutal. Throw in a double heavy flamer suicide speeder (or sniper scouts and drop a bike squad to fast attack) and that's 1850 total.

Run there special decurion formation you will love it