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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 17:07:27
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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Just to brighten your Monday a little
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34622478
Norwegians use the word "texas" as slang to mean crazy, it has emerged. But when did this start happening, and how unusual is it?
To most of the world, Texas is known as a big state in southern America.
But to Norwegians, it is also a word that frequently crops up in everyday conversation - often in the phrase "Der var helt texas!" [That was very completely/totally texas!].
The word is slang for "crazy" or "wild" and is used to refer to a chaotic atmosphere, Texas Monthly first reported.
It became part of the language when Norwegians started watching cowboy movies and reading Western literature, according to Daniel Gusfre Ims, the head of the advisory service at the Language Council of Norway.
"The genre was extremely popular in Norway, and a lot of it featured Texas, so the word became a symbol of something lawless and without control," he says.
Its first usage dates back to 1957, when it appeared in a novel by Vegard Vigerust called The Boy who wanted to buy Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation. The author writes "he would make it even more texas in the village?".
Nowadays, the word is widespread all over Norway. It's frequently used in the phrase "helt texas" [completely crazy], which has appeared in Norwegian newspapers 50 times this year, he says.
It's often used negatively, but not always. "It could be a party out of control, a class out of control, or traffic. It could also be used by someone who had sold many products," he says.
Gusfre Ims says this language phenomenon - metonymy, where a thing or concept is called not by its own name, but by another name which is associated with it - is pretty common in Norway, and language generally.
Norwegians also use the term "hawaii football" to describe an "out-of-control" match, he says. The word "klondike", a region in Canada associated with the gold rush, is used to describe economic expansion, and also has a hint of something going out of control.
He also points to terms such as "Armageddon" and "champagne".
"People don't mean the place in the Bible, or the area in France," he says.
Erin McKean, the founder of the online dictionary Wordnik, agrees that words are often adopted into language in this way.
"I'm not surprised Norwegians would use this kind of geography to convey a quality. This is how we make language - emphasing one aspect of the word, or using metaphors," she says.
McKean says there are plenty of examples of the English language using perceived characteristics of people from other places, which is a common occurrence with neighbouring countries.
"Dutch courage is associated with having to drink to be courageous. A Dutch treat [when people pay for their own share of an expense] isn't exactly a treat. We talk about taking French leave, or an Irish goodbye.
"The closest thing to we probably have to 'texas' in America is berserk from the Norse warriors, but that's apparently Icelandic, although disputed," she says.
McKean says people tend to take these expressions with a pinch of salt.
"I think Americans think the Norwegian texas thing is quite funny. Texans like to think of themselves as larger than life and extreme in some way - and it's a short hop from extreme to crazy," she says.
Anne Ekern, of the Norwegian consulate in Houston, agrees.
"The reactions we have had, have been on the positive side," she says.
But Gusfre Ims wants to reassure any Texans in doubt.
"What Norwegians think about Texas has nothing to do with the expression. We know Texas is not a lawless society. It's just a fixed phrase," he says.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 17:09:20
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Fixture of Dakka
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Ah, those Texas Norwegians...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 17:12:35
Subject: Re:Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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I think most Texans would get a kick out of how totally Texas this is...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 17:26:40
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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As a Texan, I approve.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 17:31:17
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Martial Arts Fiday
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I thought they said "Frazzled" for crazy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 17:37:47
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Fixture of Dakka
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Frazzled isn't Texas enough, apparently.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 18:47:38
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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America views Texas as crazy too. I fail to see how this is newsworthy (must be a slow day for Norway).
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Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 18:49:25
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Whenever I see something boring, I say "That was so Connecticut! Let's never watch that movie again!"
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/10/26 18:49:36
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 18:52:15
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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I moved to CT for work. I'm from NY originally. I have no loyalty to this state. So go Texas!
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Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
Manchu wrote:I'm a Catholic. We eat our God.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 18:54:10
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I've always wanted to visit New York, but something else always came up. Maybe in a few years.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 19:07:44
Subject: Re:Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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I'm probably the only person who goes to NY and thinks, wow what a  hole.
I like SF though.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 19:13:58
Subject: Re:Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Fixture of Dakka
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Frazzled wrote:I'm probably the only person who goes to NY and thinks, wow what a  hole.
I just think that without going there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 19:24:42
Subject: Re:Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Who knew?
Not me!
Certainly interesting and amusing.
But what does Dreadclaw69 think about it?
Is Dreadclaw69 from Texas originally?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 19:36:17
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Dreadclaw is that rarest of birds, a Texas Norwegian. He quietly plans to rule world once he gets the ideal Tex Mex Swedish meatball dish completed.
*Yes I know Sweden is not Norway. Don't make me go Texan on your ass...
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 20:01:13
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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Crazy or not, all I know is you can have my fajitas and mesquite barbeque when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.
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"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 20:01:16
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Tex Mex Ludafisk...a food only a Space marine could digest.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/10/26 20:01:34
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 20:01:39
Subject: Re:Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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I think it is something light hearted for a Monday morning. I believe that the opening line alluded to that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 20:10:31
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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After watching it rain at my house 7.5inches in TWO HOURS Saturday morning, I'll take lighthearted.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 20:12:25
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Frazzled wrote:After watching it rain at my house 7.5inches in TWO HOURS Saturday morning, I'll take lighthearted.
That sucks, but it could be worse if you were in Norway. That would be roughly 70 inches of snow.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 20:14:17
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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90 inches, as it hit 9in by night time.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 20:18:01
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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That's a lot of hypothetical snow.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 20:18:24
Subject: Re:Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Dreadclaw69 wrote:
I think it is something light hearted for a Monday morning. I believe that the opening line alluded to that.
Not really - all we knew at that point is that you thought it might brighten our days, we have no idea if it would brighten or perhaps darken yours.
And we still don't know...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 20:31:39
Subject: Re:Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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Frazzled wrote:I'm probably the only person who goes to NY and thinks, wow what a  hole.
I like SF though.
Nope. NYC is a craphole. Thankfully I'm from upstate. Originally up near the Baseball Hall of Fame.
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Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
Manchu wrote:I'm a Catholic. We eat our God.
Due to work, I can usually only ship any sales or trades out on Saturday morning. Please trade/purchase with this in mind. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 20:37:44
Subject: Re:Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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timetowaste85 wrote: Frazzled wrote:I'm probably the only person who goes to NY and thinks, wow what a  hole.
I like SF though.
Nope. NYC is a craphole. Thankfully I'm from upstate. Originally up near the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Wait Bakersfield is in NY? I thought it was in KY for some reason. Good on you people.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 20:39:19
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Not sure if serious or not getting the joke...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/26 20:49:57
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Oh, getting the joke alright
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/27 01:19:32
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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Cooperstown Baseball Hall of Fame.
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Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
Manchu wrote:I'm a Catholic. We eat our God.
Due to work, I can usually only ship any sales or trades out on Saturday morning. Please trade/purchase with this in mind. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/27 01:24:44
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Fixture of Dakka
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I work with some Norwegians and will have to ask them about this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/27 03:32:36
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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The article mentions "dutch courage" and "dutch treat" but says nothing about the wonderful innovation we call "dutch ovens"? Journalistic malpractice, I say.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/27 08:43:40
Subject: Think Texas is Crazy? So do the Norwegians
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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What about Dutch wives?
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