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Decrepit Dakkanaut





Nottinghamshire

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I was more implying feminism. I know... 4 transgender people... all are girls who think they are dudes and 3 of them have some type of disorder (Depression/anxiety, Sociopathy and what I am going to say is nymphomania) and the last one is just a to everyone...

Scratch that, I think theres a dude who thinks hes a girl but he scares the crap out of me.


I'm really trying and failing to think of how you could possibly make this post more offensive without getting banned.


I am stating my opinion on the matter. I never refer to any of the, by their preferred pronoun, but I never use the other pronoun. I always use their name when I take to them or about them. I don't try to hurt their feelings.

I dated the sociopath for a month and that was... well... difficult

Also, I didn't say, "Them filthy Transgenders! We should murder the lot of them and kick them out of our country!" because that is offensive and the only reason I don't like feminism is because my step-mom never wanted me and treated my little sister like a goddess and now my little sister is practically a clone of my hated step-mom. We all have reasons Peregrine
Are you open to the possibility that not all transgender people are seriously troubled, though? Because that's not coming off from your posting.
Yes there are a lot of people who have issues (many of which are a symptom of untreated or misundersood conditions relating to being trans), but there are definitely those who don't.

And "x who thinks y" may be how you view your own associates/friends, but you have to try and view how that looks from an outsider perspective of you view on the bigger issue. It isn't appropriate, it's dismissive of their identity.

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 Peregrine wrote:
 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I am stating my opinion on the matter.


No, you're being a tasteless bigot. Saying "theres a dude who thinks hes a girl" is not stating an opinion, it's hate speech.

I never refer to any of the, by their preferred pronoun, but I never use the other pronoun.


Which is blatantly offensive. If someone asks you to use a particular pronoun when talking about them then you're a rude if you ignore that request. At best. At worst you're a bigot.


So I am supposed to forgo my comfort to go out of my way to comfort someone who life decisions I dont agree with when I can avoid making discomfort for both of us?

I speak no hate and all of this is my opinion. I hate none of them, but I don't agree with them. You say that to disagree with them is hate speak, thus labelling me a bigot. I also have the opinion that you are a "Special Snowflake SJW," but I am still open to be proved wrong


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 Buttery Commissar wrote:
 Tactical_Spam wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I was more implying feminism. I know... 4 transgender people... all are girls who think they are dudes and 3 of them have some type of disorder (Depression/anxiety, Sociopathy and what I am going to say is nymphomania) and the last one is just a to everyone...

Scratch that, I think theres a dude who thinks hes a girl but he scares the crap out of me.


I'm really trying and failing to think of how you could possibly make this post more offensive without getting banned.


I am stating my opinion on the matter. I never refer to any of the, by their preferred pronoun, but I never use the other pronoun. I always use their name when I take to them or about them. I don't try to hurt their feelings.

I dated the sociopath for a month and that was... well... difficult

Also, I didn't say, "Them filthy Transgenders! We should murder the lot of them and kick them out of our country!" because that is offensive and the only reason I don't like feminism is because my step-mom never wanted me and treated my little sister like a goddess and now my little sister is practically a clone of my hated step-mom. We all have reasons Peregrine
Are you open to the possibility that not all transgender people are seriously troubled, though? Because that's not coming off from your posting.
Yes there are a lot of people who have issues (many of which are a symptom of untreated or misundersood conditions relating to being trans), but there are definitely those who don't.

And "x who thinks y" may be how you view your own associates/friends, but you have to try and view how that looks from an outsider perspective of you view on the bigger issue. It isn't appropriate, it's dismissive of their identity.


I am definitely open to the idea, I just have yet too see it. I tend to heavily seclude myself because of what happened when I tried to break up with the Sociopath. Let's just say my friend's picked "his" side.

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Decrepit Dakkanaut





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I think perhaps with time you just may or may not encounter folk who deal with it well.

All of the trans folk I know offline are roughly 30-40, hold down jobs, and waited until a point in their life that it was "safe" to seek assistance and transition. One is a head teacher, one is a counsellor/therapist (who better to know their own mind, I guess). Another is retired, and has children who hold down jobs and raised families themselves. They're all gentle folk who had he planning and time to take off and deal with it without disrupting things for those around them.

However online, I know some complete and utter train wrecks who self indulge in misery and internet crusading, and I can absolutely understand how they would become the general face of trans to people in the online generation. The lack of filter, self-awareness and restraint damages their own cause.

I don't agree with it, but when extremists of any kind get the majority of the limelight, how is anyone outside the loop supposed to know they don't represent the majority?


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 Tactical_Spam wrote:
So I am supposed to forgo my comfort to go out of my way to comfort someone who life decisions I dont agree with when I can avoid making discomfort for both of us?


If merely using the pronoun someone asks you to use makes you uncomfortable then you have a serious problem. And you need to fix it instead of making excuses.

I speak no hate and all of this is my opinion. I hate none of them, but I don't agree with them. You say that to disagree with them is hate speak, thus labelling me a bigot. I also have the opinion that you are a "Special Snowflake SJW," but I am still open to be proved wrong


No, I'm not saying that disagreeing is hate speech, I'm telling you that "he's pretending to be a woman" and similar statements are incredibly offensive. You're denying their identity, and in an incredibly tasteless way. You know, the kind of thing that drives people into depression and suicide. If that's not hate speech then I don't know what is.

I am definitely open to the idea, I just have yet too see it.


You seem to have trouble seeing a lot of things. Perhaps you should take this as a hint?

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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AHEM First a little bit of a thingy I found recently that is very relevant to this argument.

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General Argument I have seen



Thats a radical feminist.

Or what I like to call a Tumblrist. They do not represent the whole group. I thought I went over this when I talked about gobberrgate so many moons ago. (don't talk about it Asherian... Please don't go into rant mode.... Please no more GG, please no more GG).

Infact I plop into KIA saying the same thing "That doesn't represent the group, as much as some troll doesn't represent you and your group."

Feminism is all about equality, anyone spouting in the opposition of equality and calls themselves a feminist is a hypocrite. And are not radicals or feminists.

But this thread is not about the social problems caused by the radical left. Or the stupidity of others in society that represent its extremes (Radicalism, Terrorism etc) They are merely apart of society that we are all apart of, and we just have to deal with them, as they are outliers they will largely be ignored or dealt with by other ways. (most times non-violent)

So I am supposed to forgo my comfort to go out of my way to comfort someone who life decisions I dont agree with when I can avoid making discomfort for both of us?


You can just ignore them. If there views are so polarized to society and they are such an outlier you just ignore them.

I also have the opinion that you are a "Special Snowflake SJW," but I am still open to be proved wrong


Excuse me? Peregrine is not an Special Snowflake SJW! He's a very intelligent person, who knows his stuff, and is not as what you would call a social justice warrior. a Social justice warrior is a rabid white knight that can't tell reason from racism.

Please do not go to childish antics to try and prove your point

Are you open to the possibility that not all transgender people are seriously troubled, though? Because that's not coming off from your posting.
Yes there are a lot of people who have issues (many of which are a symptom of untreated or misundersood conditions relating to being trans), but there are definitely those who don't.


Trans People are sometimes troubled I mean its why they identify as trans sometimes (SOMETIMES!) But it is merely confusion or misunderstanding of the sociological level and very seldomly biological. Trans Genderism is an interesting subject which I really don't have any expertise from other than they identify as trans and they are people. Though I often do say "That identifying as a gender, sexuality or political side is disingenuous as all of those are placed in a spectrum. It says nothing about you personally, other than what you identify as which is like ascribing a number to yourself, completely useless, and not at all helpful in my understanding of you." (Though this has been my experience it might be different for other people)

Though identity crisis is a very young thing to do, younger people want to find a group a place in society as they have apart of them (The humanity in them that is) that constantly seeks to be and to find its place. So trying to identify and trying to place themselves in a place of some righteous path or identity makes them feel at home. Its very common, and is not necessarily bad, its a behavior that is psychologically ingrained in the human genome. You know those three years of psychology really got me thinking. Psychology has a big part of societal pressures and daily life.

As I remember talking recently to my Game Design teacher about the social convention that more women play mobile games than video games. Its a social construct that more boys play video games than females, or more usually white males play video games more often, even though video games are world wide phenomon. There is this idea that women in their late 40s to 50s just sit around and play on their phones all the time. Interestingly this stereotype is completely true, I mean, (not really stereotype but it is an interesting sociological and psychological development) as more people (most particularly women) are just playing games like candy crush when they are walking around. Sometimes they just play it on their phone looking at it absorbed by its experience its fascinating. (Though why candy crush is so popular is probably something I could write an entire research paper on, and study it for a few months and come back with actual data to prove my point)

The identities such as gamer, feminist, egalitarian, kantian, partier, and many other identities are changing. Its very fascinating in my opinion in how the social conventions have slowly been evolving and developing rather quickly. Interestingly my generation has become very accepting, (probably because we saw the greatest amount of change in twenty years, we went from no cellphones to smart phones, even more drastic we went from floppies (when we were younger) being introduced to digital downloads being a norm. Its probably why this generation has so much anxiety, depression, identity crisis, and a myriad of other issues.

Anyway:

Oh wow. I never thought it'd be viewed as positive anywhere. That's nuts, but I guess that's culture.


You would be surprised what other social conventions I have had to go through. I mean each state is basically its own country (assuming you live in the united states). With its own customs and cultures.

But I don't know why anyone would view someone older dating someone younger. I remember when a prospective girlfriend of mine's ex was like "EWWW he's like six years younger! You are really robbing the crib there girl."

Its fascinating, and insulting at the same time.

And depending on where you are, race is still openly criticized as well.

I'm white and my wife is black, and we still frequently get reactions from people. It can be as obvious as people actually commenting that the races shouldn't mix, more subdued like people definitely staring with a disapproving look when a mixed couple holds hands in the street, and minor stuff like going to a restaurant and being asked "separate checks?" all the freaking time.

It's not just some isolated thing that we imagine. We have a lot of mixed couple friends (2x black/white, Hispanic/white, native/white, Asian/white) and they all frequently experience the same thing.


It will be for a very long time, (The criticized race thingy or Racism) it will always be there and its something I am always sad hearing about.

Though personally I wish there was more could be done to counter it. But assumptions are just painfully racist sometimes by so many people.

Overall social constructs are dumb. But it is slowly becoming a norm. I mean the average american is already projected in a few decades to have tan skin naturally.

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 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Also, I didn't say, "Them filthy Transgenders! We should murder the lot of them and kick them out of our country!" because that is offensive and the only reason I don't like feminism is because my step-mom never wanted me and treated my little sister like a goddess and now my little sister is practically a clone of my hated step-mom. We all have reasons Peregrine


Oh god, I can't believe I missed this edit. You're saying the equivalent of "I didn't say we should lynch all the {black people}, I just think we shouldn't pretend that they're equal to decent white people" and you really think I'm being unfair to you? And you dislike feminism, not because of any kind of coherent argument against feminist beliefs, but because you had a bad relationship with your mom and sister? You really expect people to take you seriously when you say stuff like this?

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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Asherian Command wrote: a Social justice warrior is a rabid white knight that can't tell reason from racism.


Speaking of a number of fallacies pointed out in the picture you linked...

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Decrepit Dakkanaut





Nottinghamshire



Though identity crisis is a very young thing to do, younger people want to find a group a place in society as they have apart of them (The humanity in them that is) that constantly seeks to be and to find its place. So trying to identify and trying to place themselves in a place of some righteous path or identity makes them feel at home. Its very common, and is not necessarily bad, its a behavior that is psychologically ingrained in the human genome.
Excuse me if I sidestep, and offer this is a reason why a lot of young parents latch onto the anti-vaccine and health scare mindsets, specifically young mother groups. There may be just as many young father groups, but I don't hear about them very often.
Small vulnerable groups, in an awakened sense of identity (parent) and protection urges (their child) have drawn an involuntary line between themselves and "everyone else". Making it harder for reasonable argument to be made against a group that already sees themselves as persecuted and has an insular self-reassuring community.
I'm sure it's not the only reason, I may also be entirely \wrong.

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