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 Melissia wrote:
I have no idea what ending you're talking about, that you call it awful and act like it's the greatest sin in all of gaming. Personally, I'd say that was the ending to Ghosts 'n' Goblins was worse.

Darn you!
I beat that game (after many long hours) and I cannot remember for the life of me how it ended...
Definitely not going back to play that, I could play ME3 again and weather it's "horrible" ending.

I like the universe, I think another story can be told within it, I oddly have little emotional attachment to Shepard.

Its ending was:



... at which point it tossed you back to the start of the game. You had to beat the game twice to get this ending, BTW.

I have a great amount of attachment to Shepard. Paragon Shepard was... well, she was just plain awesome That said, I'm fine with the game telling another person's story.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I thought the rumor was they found a Relay to the andromeda galaxy?

NOPE!

Only people talking about that rumor are usually using it in addition to Indoctrination Theory.

That was unusually emphatic. Is there another rumor you'd like to start Kan?....

I think it might be because he (quite reasonably) hates the indoctrination theory crap.

 Melissia wrote:
I have no idea what ending you're talking about, that you call it awful and act like it's the greatest sin in all of gaming. Personally, I'd say that was the ending to Ghosts 'n' Goblins was worse.

I'm sure all those people who had been waiting 5+ years for the ending of the Ghosts n' Goblins trilogy, and who had put dozens of hours of gameplay into getting to it were really shocked.

Actually, plenty of people who had dozens of hours of gameplay in to it were shocked by how damn bad it was. I certainly was when I first played. It was just terrible and shameful.

As for ME3...

Regardless, I stand firmly by the idea that nothing they could have delivered wouldn't have caused widespread controversy. People had widely disparate, and extremely high, expectations, and Bioware did a great job making people care deeply about the game, its stories, and its characters.

All of that is off topic here, though, because this isn't a thread about ME3's ending. If that's all you came to this thread to discuss, perhaps you should get out, because this is a thread about something that's quite likely completely unrelated to ME3's ending to begin with.

 Melissia wrote:
Its ending was:
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... at which point it tossed you back to the start of the game. You had to beat the game twice to get this ending, BTW.

Yeah, I was fully aware of the internet to find things.
It was meant more as a comment on you remembering that off-hand to compare to: well done.
I remember beating Contra but again I seemed not to care what is said at the end so long as I finished (odd way of thinking in hindsight)

I have a great amount of attachment to Shepard. Paragon Shepard was... well, she was just plain awesome

I have played many games where I would try playing female characters.
I had not for Mass Effect, I think I wanted to be sure I fit the whatever they thought would be targeted for my gender or probably more correctly, act more like "me" in the game.
It would be interesting to see if there is any real difference (again I can probably look this up).
I tended to play Paragon, it seemed like the only way to go for me.
From what I heard, the Female Shepard was a more memorable performance.

That said, I'm fine with the game telling another person's story.

I think we can stand to have a character with a little less history.
Being the uber-hero was beginning to conflict with my inner Han-Solo.

Can we not talk about ME3's ending anymore? Everyone on the planet has weighed in. Are we cursed to have to talk about the ending to that game every single time something is said about Mass Effect for all eternity?!?!

Pretty much.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Can we not talk about ME3's ending anymore? Everyone on the planet has weighed in. Are we cursed to have to talk about the ending to that game every single time something is said about Mass Effect for all eternity?!?!

Anything that causes that much impotent butthurtedness is bound to be talked about for years, with articles published on Kotaku at first defending it and then, later, when Kotaku gets butthurted, comparing it unfavorably to the Third Reich.

People still read Kotaku?

 Melissia wrote:
People still read Kotaku?

Gawker (it's Gawker that owns them, right?) still hasn't terminated the website yet. So apparently enough people still drop by to justify the costs of running it.

As for ME: Andromeda - the sheer divisiveness of the ME3 ending suggests to me that Bioware will be ignoring it completely for ME: Andromeda. And the easiest way to do that is to leave the Milky Way Galaxy before the Reapers attack.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I thought the rumor was they found a Relay to the andromeda galaxy?

NOPE!

Only people talking about that rumor are usually using it in addition to Indoctrination Theory.

That was unusually emphatic. Is there another rumor you'd like to start Kan?....

*whistles innocently*

Nooooooope. Not least of which is because my contact at BioWare is long since gone, and I haven't actually spoken to them since last year.

I'm fine with it being set after ME1 but before ME2, or even during the same timeline as ME2, much in the same way that DA2 opened during the events of DA1 and then moved to a time shortly after.

It's, last I was told when the project was starting, set 140 years post Reaper War.

Wikipedia suggests it happens after the ME storyline as well, though I'm too lazy to check sources because it's not really that important to me.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I thought the rumor was they found a Relay to the andromeda galaxy?

NOPE!

Only people talking about that rumor are usually using it in addition to Indoctrination Theory.

That was unusually emphatic. Is there another rumor you'd like to start Kan?....

*whistles innocently*

Nooooooope. Not least of which is because my contact at BioWare is long since gone, and I haven't actually spoken to them since last year.

Damn. Well I'm going all in on Super-Relay then!

If there was a "Super Relay", then they wouldn't have needed to produce a colony ship that had manufacturing facilities.

Just sayin'.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If there was a "Super Relay", then they wouldn't have needed to produce a colony ship that had manufacturing facilities.

Just sayin'.

Maybe there's some kind of limiting factor like it's a one way trip or it takes many decades to recharge. That happened to those Stargate guys a few times....

Still kind of reaching though, when the simpler solution is it's a long-ranged voyage-- and if there was such a thing, the Reapers would have used it somehow. Besides, the setting has had long-ranged voyages in the past, this is just magnitudes longer.

 Melissia wrote:
Still kind of reaching though, when the simpler solution is it's a long-ranged voyage-- and if there was such a thing, the Reapers would have used it somehow. Besides, the setting has had long-ranged voyages in the past, this is just magnitudes longer.

Still can only go light speed without relays though. At that speed it take over 2.5 million years to reach Andromeda.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Still kind of reaching though, when the simpler solution is it's a long-ranged voyage-- and if there was such a thing, the Reapers would have used it somehow. Besides, the setting has had long-ranged voyages in the past, this is just magnitudes longer.

Still can only go light speed without relays though. At that speed it take over 2.5 million years to reach Andromeda.

Good thing Andromeda's much closer if you are going fast though.

Actually, they CAN go faster-than-light without the relays, IIRC.

Relays just do it extremely efficiently and far more effectively, as they create a corridor of zero mass between two relays (something that weighs nothing theoretically has no speed limit).

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Still kind of reaching though, when the simpler solution is it's a long-ranged voyage-- and if there was such a thing, the Reapers would have used it somehow. Besides, the setting has had long-ranged voyages in the past, this is just magnitudes longer.

Still can only go light speed without relays though. At that speed it take over 2.5 million years to reach Andromeda.

Without going too much into the techy bits:
Even the smallest Reaper ships had FTL capabilities.
The Alliance and Citadel had access to several wrecked/inert Reaper ships from the original attack on the Citadel to reverse-engineer/research. They also had a driving motivation and funding to see how to counter that advantage.

Relays make things easier by a huge amount. They are not however necessarily the only way for ships to get around.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Still kind of reaching though, when the simpler solution is it's a long-ranged voyage-- and if there was such a thing, the Reapers would have used it somehow. Besides, the setting has had long-ranged voyages in the past, this is just magnitudes longer.

Still can only go light speed without relays though. At that speed it take over 2.5 million years to reach Andromeda.

?


Most in-system travel is accomplished via Plus-C travel. A Mass Effect field is created, reducing the ship's mass enough to let the ship's thrusters propel the ship at Plus-C speeds. I suspect that a certain amount of that mysterious element known as Handwavium (HWm) might be involved as well. Terran ships are apparently capable of traveling at 50 times the speed of light. Now admittedly, that's still a ridiculously long travel time. However, the long distance might allow faster speeds due to a longer time for acceleration (before being required to begin deceleration). And even more HWm than usual might be involved.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/FTL

Eumerin wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Still kind of reaching though, when the simpler solution is it's a long-ranged voyage-- and if there was such a thing, the Reapers would have used it somehow. Besides, the setting has had long-ranged voyages in the past, this is just magnitudes longer.

Still can only go light speed without relays though. At that speed it take over 2.5 million years to reach Andromeda.

?


Most in-system travel is accomplished via Plus-C travel. A Mass Effect field is created, reducing the ship's mass enough to let the ship's thrusters propel the ship at Plus-C speeds. I suspect that a certain amount of that mysterious element known as Handwavium (HWm) might be involved as well. Terran ships are apparently capable of traveling at 50 times the speed of light. Now admittedly, that's still a ridiculously long travel time. However, the long distance might allow faster speeds due to a longer time for acceleration (before being required to begin deceleration). And even more HWm than usual might be involved.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/FTL

Ya but they have to do something about that static build-up. There's nothing in-between galaxies to discharge on. I guess they can hand wave that one away too with some kind of new invention.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Still kind of reaching though, when the simpler solution is it's a long-ranged voyage-- and if there was such a thing, the Reapers would have used it somehow. Besides, the setting has had long-ranged voyages in the past, this is just magnitudes longer.

Still can only go light speed without relays though. At that speed it take over 2.5 million years to reach Andromeda.

?


Most in-system travel is accomplished via Plus-C travel. A Mass Effect field is created, reducing the ship's mass enough to let the ship's thrusters propel the ship at Plus-C speeds. I suspect that a certain amount of that mysterious element known as Handwavium (HWm) might be involved as well. Terran ships are apparently capable of traveling at 50 times the speed of light. Now admittedly, that's still a ridiculously long travel time. However, the long distance might allow faster speeds due to a longer time for acceleration (before being required to begin deceleration). And even more HWm than usual might be involved.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/FTL

Ya but they have to do something about that static build-up. There's nothing in-between galaxies to discharge on. I guess they can hand wave that one away too with some kind of new invention.

There are plenty of rouge stars that wander between galaxies. They aren't much less common than in the galaxies themselves, you'd have to have forward planning to pick them up along the way however.

While we're at it, if you change the mass of antimatter, wouldn't you in theory be able to get infinite energy? If e=mc^2 and you can change m, you can decide what e is too, no?

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Can we not talk about ME3's ending anymore? Everyone on the planet has weighed in. Are we cursed to have to talk about the ending to that game every single time something is said about Mass Effect for all eternity?!?!

Never Forget Marauder Shields, the true hero of Mass Effect who tried to prevent the ending.

Really? Marauders? That's what challenged you?

Lame.