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 Nocturnus wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
So the heresy board game just went up £20???

Obviously the bean counters at GW realized it was "too good of a deal" and sought to fix that. I completely believe the price increase is coming. And just when I had hoped they would start to be reasonable.... /sigh

Jesus Christ people.

THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT THE PRICE IS GOING UP. THIS IS FROM VISIONS, WHICH IS PRODUCED MONTHS IN ADVANCE.

 Nocturnus wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
So the heresy board game just went up £20???

Obviously the bean counters at GW realized it was "too good of a deal" and sought to fix that. I completely believe the price increase is coming. And just when I had hoped they would start to be reasonable.... /sigh

Maybe you could do that for a start, being reasonable? There is no price rise at all.


Edit: Ninja'ed

Produced, Kanlu, but I'm sure you meant that



Edit 2: For those still in doubt, please read todays post from Hastings, the original HH rumor source (He leaked it all back in Feb 2015)

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?414958-WV-23-Release-List&p=7565554&viewfull=1#post7565554

The price was reduced.

Sorry to nitpick.... Warhammer: Visions, not White Dwarf: Visions, hehe.

If everyone recalls, one of the original rumors was for Betrayal to be at 3 figures instead of 2 figures (GBP). Glad they dropped the price back down before it was released.

OTOH, I would guess that the clampack prices are accurate.

 Paradigm wrote:

 eskimo wrote:
Or just not buy either

Well, yeah! There's a reason all my Captains, Chaplains and Librarians are stater set models or kitbashes!

Besides named characters, most of mine are as well. I put a Death Company moptop head on my Librarian, combined bits from the BA Tactical Squad and the SM Commander to make my Captain(He also has an Iron Halo from the BA Terminators and a magnetized Jump Pack from Vanguard Vets), and may give this Chaplain a Bolt Pistol instead on an Inferno Pistol so it can fill in for Lemartes if needed (PLEASE let there be a formation that uses Lemartes!). Dante, Mephiston, and Karlaen are largely unaltered though. I wish I had put a helmet on my Sanguinary Priest too.

A cooling down period is advised...

Though honestly we need to wait for a while. There are too many variables. As Talys said, the only "reasonable" pricing looks to be the clampacks. We don't know if it's not a misprint.

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

Spoiler:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nocturnus wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
So the heresy board game just went up £20???

Obviously the bean counters at GW realized it was "too good of a deal" and sought to fix that. I completely believe the price increase is coming. And just when I had hoped they would start to be reasonable.... /sigh

Jesus Christ people.

THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT THE PRICE IS GOING UP. THIS IS FROM WHITE DWARF: VISIONS, WHICH IS PUBLISHED MONTHS IN ADVANCE.

A cooling down period is advised...

No, what's advised is people actually stop posting and start thinking. They're not going to put it up for preorder at one price, let it go all the way until release, and then up the price at the end of the month. When GW sets prices? They leave them there until they rebox things again.

Though honestly we need to wait for a while. There are too many variables. As Talys said, the only "reasonable" pricing looks to be the clampacks. We don't know if it's not a misprint.

Reasonable in what regards? The Leman Russ box listed there is "reasonable" if you do the math--$8.25 for the Squadron Upgrade Frame, $49.50 for a Leman Russ, and probably $29 for the Techpriest Enginseer.

Since it's a single box and they seem to imply that it is a "bundle" to start with, it's not unreasonable to think that they are putting the Squadron Upgrade Frame in for the "discounted" piece.

I am hoping the Clampacks are inaccurate, actually. The last two Clampack Space Marines were the Interrogator-Chaplain($30) and the Terminator Librarian($31). Before that, we had the BA Terminator Librarian($30) and Sanguinary Priest($30). So these new Clampacks are $2-3 more than comparable models released only months ago.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am hoping the Clampacks are inaccurate, actually. The last two Clampack Space Marines were the Interrogator-Chaplain($30) and the Terminator Librarian($31). Before that, we had the BA Terminator Librarian($30) and Sanguinary Priest($30). So these new Clampacks are $2-3 more than comparable models released only months ago.

Where is that unreasonable? As if GW doesn't hike prices for singular miniatures as well.

Warhams-77 wrote:

 Nocturnus wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
So the heresy board game just went up £20???

Obviously the bean counters at GW realized it was "too good of a deal" and sought to fix that. I completely believe the price increase is coming. And just when I had hoped they would start to be reasonable.... /sigh

Maybe you could do that for a start, being reasonable? There is no price rise at all.


Edit: Ninja'ed

Produced, Kanlu, but I'm sure you meant that



Edit 2: For those still in doubt, please read todays post from Hastings, the original HH rumor source (He leaked it all back in in Feb 2015)

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?414958-WV-23-Release-List&p=7565554&viewfull=1#post7565554

The price was reduced.

Or maybe, you should lose the attitude. If you know anything at all about GW, a price increase of this nature is completely in their nature. Good day sir.

 Nocturnus wrote:

Or maybe, you should lose the attitude. If you know anything at all about GW, a price increase of this nature is completely in their nature. Good day sir.

Name the last time they put something up for preorder and bumped the price a week later.

It's not something I'd put past them in fairness though. And it's not like people were freaking out over some rumourmonger source, it was in an official GW publication. So while I see where you're coming from, the attitude wasn't completely necessary.

And saying that when prices are set they don't change isn't true, they recently amended Skarbrands price. Not the exact same situation as here and it was in the other direction but your statement as it reads isn't true.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nocturnus wrote:

Or maybe, you should lose the attitude. If you know anything at all about GW, a price increase of this nature is completely in their nature. Good day sir.

Name the last time they put something up for preorder and bumped the price a week later.

Considering it would result in litigation in many countries (the United States especially), I am guessing somewhere on this side of NEVER.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

Spoiler:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nocturnus wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
So the heresy board game just went up £20???

Obviously the bean counters at GW realized it was "too good of a deal" and sought to fix that. I completely believe the price increase is coming. And just when I had hoped they would start to be reasonable.... /sigh

Jesus Christ people.

THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT THE PRICE IS GOING UP. THIS IS FROM WHITE DWARF: VISIONS, WHICH IS PUBLISHED MONTHS IN ADVANCE.

A cooling down period is advised...

No, what's advised is people actually stop posting and start thinking. They're not going to put it up for preorder at one price, let it go all the way until release, and then up the price at the end of the month. When GW sets prices? They leave them there until they rebox things again.

Though honestly we need to wait for a while. There are too many variables. As Talys said, the only "reasonable" pricing looks to be the clampacks. We don't know if it's not a misprint.

Reasonable in what regards? The Leman Russ box listed there is "reasonable" if you do the math--$8.25 for the Squadron Upgrade Frame, $49.50 for a Leman Russ, and probably $29 for the Techpriest Enginseer.

Since it's a single box and they seem to imply that it is a "bundle" to start with, it's not unreasonable to think that they are putting the Squadron Upgrade Frame in for the "discounted" piece.

Sorry but...who are you to know how GW wants to milk the first 30k plastic figures ever released? They will do as they want to increase their profit - it's the only common thing in GW's behaviour - they do what the feth they want to do for profit's sake. And it's not like we don't have examples of pre-orders being cheaper to encourage early purchase. E.g - EA put Battlefront preorder at a 20% discount. And it's happening right now, just go to Origins.

And the clampack prices are reasonable in the fact that they fit into the usually single model price hike. Go take a look at the steady increase in clampack prices. Go on. we'll be waiting right here.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nocturnus wrote:

Or maybe, you should lose the attitude. If you know anything at all about GW, a price increase of this nature is completely in their nature. Good day sir.

Name the last time they put something up for preorder and bumped the price a week later.

Name the last time GW said "You can use the rules for the units in your previous Codex so you don't need to buy this one" before Tau.

Name the last time GW scrapped 30 years of fluff and crunching building for a beer and pretzels game before FB was put down to AoS.

The precedent excuse is starting to run thin.

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's not something I'd put past them in fairness though. And it's not like people were freaking out over some rumourmonger source, it was in an official GW publication. So while I see where you're coming from, the attitude wasn't completely necessary.

And saying that when prices are set they don't change isn't true, they recently amended Skarbrands price. Not the exact same situation as here and it was in the other direction but your statement as it reads isn't true.

A price decrease after the fact is not generally against the law, only a price increase.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's not something I'd put past them in fairness though. And it's not like people were freaking out over some rumourmonger source, it was in an official GW publication. So while I see where you're coming from, the attitude wasn't completely necessary.

And saying that when prices are set they don't change isn't true, they recently amended Skarbrands price. Not the exact same situation as here and it was in the other direction but your statement as it reads isn't true.

A price decrease after the fact is not generally against the law, only a price increase.

I don't think a price increase is against the law... If they charge the same people who thought they're were buying it at one price more then yeah but if next week they put the price up, that's not. Not that they are or that that really has anything to do with what I was saying.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's not something I'd put past them in fairness though. And it's not like people were freaking out over some rumourmonger source, it was in an official GW publication. So while I see where you're coming from, the attitude wasn't completely necessary.

And saying that when prices are set they don't change isn't true, they recently amended Skarbrands price. Not the exact same situation as here and it was in the other direction but your statement as it reads isn't true.

A price decrease after the fact is not generally against the law, only a price increase.

I don't think a price increase is against the law... If they charge the same people who thought they're were buying it at one price more then yeah but if next week they put the price up, that's not. Not that they are or that that really has anything to do with what I was saying.

It isn't against the law - people who would to sue for this would be having a lovely time going to court for pretty much nothing... except wasting money.

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

Sorry but...who are you to know how GW wants to milk the first 30k plastic figures ever released? They will do as they want to increase their profit - it's the only common thing in GW's behaviour - they do what the feth they want to do for profit's sake. And it's not like we don't have examples of pre-orders being cheaper to encourage early purchase. E.g - EA put Battlefront preorder at a 20% discount. And it's happening right now, just go to Origins.

AND IT IS CLEARLY MARKED THAT PREORDERS GET A DISCOUNT.

Seriously. Do you not understand the difference between "If you preorder now, you get it for X% cheaper!" and "Preorder this now because on Saturday after it comes out it will be a different price but we won't tell you that"?

And the clampack prices are reasonable in the fact that they fit into the usually single model price hike. Go take a look at the steady increase in clampack prices. Go on. we'll be waiting right here.

I never said that those prices weren't reasonable. The person who I had replied to stated that "the only "reasonable" pricing looks to be the clampacks". I replied that the Leman Russ box looks reasonable as well, considering everything listed implies it is a boxed set ala what we're seeing for Skitarii, Space Marines, and Cult Mechanicus.

And yeah, you're absolutely right that it does fit into the single model price hike. Which further supports my point as they don't bump prices randomly, they do it either through an increased price in the next release of a model or when they first release the model to begin with.

The precedent excuse is starting to run thin.

The "precedent excuse" for their standard business practices are not the same thing as them trying new release strategies.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's not something I'd put past them in fairness though. And it's not like people were freaking out over some rumourmonger source, it was in an official GW publication. So while I see where you're coming from, the attitude wasn't completely necessary.

And saying that when prices are set they don't change isn't true, they recently amended Skarbrands price. Not the exact same situation as here and it was in the other direction but your statement as it reads isn't true.

A price decrease after the fact is not generally against the law, only a price increase.

I don't think a price increase is against the law... If they charge the same people who thought they're were buying it at one price more then yeah but if next week they put the price up, that's not. Not that they are or that that really has anything to do with what I was saying.

When a price is advertised, like the Betrayal at Calth was on the GW website, and suddenly GW ups that price by $35 after people make their preorders, that would be false advertising and they would get their pants sued off. Yes, they can increase the price at a later date.

EDIT: And can we try to keep the discussion about the BaC price in the BaC thread and go back to discussing the cool new Chaplain and the clampack releases of some of the previous special edition charactwrs, please?

It's not false advertising though, because anyone who bought it at that price payed that price, and anyone who bought it after they raised the price would've been able to see the price when they bought it. So all they would be doing is increasing the price at a later date.

And even more importantly you'll note all the little disclaimers in WD and the like, saying that prices were right at the time of going to press but may be subject to change etc etc

As we've now established that the price is still "only" £95/whateverpeopleuseabroad we can drop this particularly dull tangent.

Thank you.

I really want that techpriest...but i want a ryza patter LR...not the ugly GW one


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So ill probaly buy the priest from china....GW losing sales by forcing people to buy stuff they dont need/want

I may be in the market for the IG release.

I was considering a third Leman Russ and I don't have an Enginseer...unless the old Squat Techpriest with the White Dwarf Spaceman servo arm pinned to his back counts!

The plastic techpriest sorta came out of nowhere, and it's a very cool model. But not only are Techpriests pants in-game, there are also so many more cheaper alternatives floating around out there that it seems a waste of resources (sculpting, tooling, and production time) on such a niche product.

 the_Armyman wrote:
The plastic techpriest sorta came out of nowhere, and it's a very cool model. But not only are Techpriests pants in-game, there are also so many more cheaper alternatives floating around out there that it seems a waste of resources (sculpting, tooling, and production time) on such a niche product.

Not if you take in consideration the 30k mechanicum list, where you want a lot of unique tech priest and magos

 RedFox wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
The plastic techpriest sorta came out of nowhere, and it's a very cool model. But not only are Techpriests pants in-game, there are also so many more cheaper alternatives floating around out there that it seems a waste of resources (sculpting, tooling, and production time) on such a niche product.

Not if you take in consideration the 30k mechanicum list, where you want a lot of unique tech priest and magos

The only way you can get it at the moment though seems to be in a bundle with a Leman Russ so it's not fantastically useful for 30k.

Maybe we'll finally see the Reclusiam Command Squad Chaplain sold separately?

 Ghaz wrote:
Maybe we'll finally see the Reclusiam Command Squad Chaplain sold separately?

Unlikely. He is still available, unlike Karlaen or the SFU Terminator Captain. Yes, it is in the stupidly overpriced RCS, but it is still available.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nocturnus wrote:

Or maybe, you should lose the attitude. If you know anything at all about GW, a price increase of this nature is completely in their nature. Good day sir.

Name the last time they put something up for preorder and bumped the price a week later.

Ahh Kanluwen, I still remember you from the Infinity forums. Good to see you still want to argue over foolish things. As was pointed out, the fact that they are willing to sell a codex right up until the new version is released, rather than pull it weeks/month early speaks volumes about their business model and ethics. But it's okay, you keep raging and being the argumentative guy that everyone expects from you. Bravo... /facepalm

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Is this a new Lemand Russ variant? Old variant re-released? Or just an old one?

Regular Leman Russ variant with plastic tech priest enginseer and one Apocalypse command vehicle sprue.

 BrookM wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Is this a new Lemand Russ variant? Old variant re-released? Or just an old one?

Regular Leman Russ variant with plastic tech priest enginseer and one Apocalypse command vehicle sprue.

in which case its actually not that bad value:

Leman Russ: £31
Squadron Command Frame: £5

and this box is £45, which means the enginseer is only costing you £9, which considering the price of the other plastic characters recently, isnt bad at all (for GW)