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Well we all know the inquisition can do a lot of stuff and not many people can complain about it because the orderthey recieved that demanded said thing came from very high up in the hiearchy of the IOM.


"...the Inquisition merely performs the duty of its office. To further fear them is redundant, to hate them, heretical. Those more sensible will place responsibility with those who forced their hands..."
— Captain Gabriel Angelos of the Blood Ravens Space Marine Chapter after the Inquisition's Exterminatus of Typhon Primaris

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Not against their will.

They can certainly ask for Space Marine assistance.

In fact, no one can order Space Marines around except their own chapter. They don't fall under any chain of command except their own. They help the Imperium on a voluntary basis.

Uh... no. The Space Marines have always been subjects of the Imperium.

Did I say they weren't? I said they don't have to follow anyone's orders, and they don't. We've got 28 years of real world literature and background material of Space Marine chapters telling Inquisitors and anyone else they don't like to shove it whenever they feel like it.

The command from the HLOT and other such bodies to specific Chapters to do things like engage particular enemies in particular spots, launch specific Crusades or perform penances indicates that, yes, Space Marines *do* take orders, even orders they don't like, from their superiors.

The Abyssal Crusade is one such example.

What we have 28 years of is *specific* Chapters acting like rogue elements to make them "cool". Perhaps most noteworthy is that all of these Chapters are either First or Second Founding Chapters, and thus have the legacy of service in the GC/HH to give them some leeway, or they end up like the Soul Drinkers or the Blood Ravens (one declared Excommunicatus Traitoris, the other assigned to a Penitent Crusade).

Furthermore, within that same 28 years of history, apart from the most-recent publications, we had 2 Chapters that existed *solely* to serve the Inquisition: The Deathwatch (Chamber Militant of the Ordo Xenos) and the Grey Knights (Chamber Militant of the Ordo Malleus). Only very recently in the history of 40K has there been a separation of the GK from the Inquisition, with an expansion of the background and history of that Chapter. The Deathwatch continue to have the ability to call upon almost any other Chapter for resources and even those "rogue" Chapters, like the Space Wolves, send representatives.

There's so much variety in both Inquisitors and Chapters it's impossible to give a simple answer, most chapters though are likely to give as little aid as possible or simply ignore requests from anyone who they don't know and trust already

GAdvance wrote:
There's so much variety in both Inquisitors and Chapters it's impossible to give a simple answer, most chapters though are likely to give as little aid as possible or simply ignore requests from anyone who they don't know and trust already

The only proper answer is, have you filled out your forms properly in triplicate? you may get a response in 2 to 10 years and we will get back to you.

The inquisition has the "Rights" to requisition but that doesn't necessarily mean they will get what they ask for.

There is also availability to consider. If Space Marine Chapter "Red Snakes" has 80% of its forces deployed fighting Orks in the Sub-Sector, 10% down to casualties, and 10% in active reserve, and are the only Astartes Chapter in the region, it doesn't much matter what the Inquisition asks for. The answer will be "sorry, but we're tapped out, and have no one to send to you".

This isn't a "feth you, no" refusal, it's simply the Chapter Master telling the Inquisition that he cannot fulfill their request given prior obligations.

 Psienesis wrote:
This isn't a "feth you, no" refusal, it's simply the Chapter Master telling the Inquisition that he cannot fulfill their request given prior obligations.

Well, no Chapter Master (except for Logan Grimnar I guess) is going to use the "feth you" line when an Inquisitor asks for help. That would be directly defying the Emperor's power as represented by his agent.

An Inquisitor can in theory requisition anything he needs, but one of the worst ideas would probably be to order people that don't like you and don't want to be there to come along. The troublesome Inquisitor could well face problems when demanding service. There could be sudden cases of stupid syndrome aka interpreting orders literally and in the worst possible way. Say the powertripping Inky orders a couple burly marines to come along as his bodyguards and tells them no one may touch him. Governor offering a handshake? BLAM! Inky bleeding out on the floor after an assassination attempt? Well, we can't touch him. And neither can his medic - BLAM! Following orders is what we do.

Nah, for permanent assigment on your Inquisitorial retinue the most important criteria must certainly be personal loyalty.

An Inquisitor can in theory requisition anything he needs, but one of the worst ideas would probably be to order people that don't like you and don't want to be there to come along. The troublesome Inquisitor could well face problems when demanding service. There could be sudden cases of stupid syndrome aka interpreting orders literally and in the worst possible way. Say the powertripping Inky orders a couple burly marines to come along as his bodyguards and tells them no one may touch him. Governor offering a handshake? BLAM! Inky bleeding out on the floor after an assassination attempt? Well, we can't touch him. And neither can his medic - BLAM! Following orders is what we do.

This is what I've been saying all along, though. The Inquisition most certainly has the authority to requisition the Astartes and expect, at the very least, a justified and reasonable explanation as to why the Chapter is unable to fulfill the request and, lacking that, resources commensurate with the request.

It is exceedingly unlikely, however, that Space Marines would act so... unprofessionally, especially with an Inquisitor. Mainly because the Inquisition, as a body, is not something the wise feth with, and unless that individual Inquisitor had *no* allies in the Ordos (exceedingly unlikely), then those Marines are just making trouble for their Chapter.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Not against their will.

They can certainly ask for Space Marine assistance.

In fact, no one can order Space Marines around except their own chapter. They don't fall under any chain of command except their own. They help the Imperium on a voluntary basis.

They're autonomous Imperial subjects, with each Chapter Master a "Peer" of the nobility in the same way as a Planetary Governor (and they often hold both titles), but the Imquisition very much can demand their services against their will, only the Custodes are beyond the powers of the Inquisition.

The *practical* consideration is if the Inquisitor in question has the means to enforce their will, in which case, the SM's can probably get away with thumbing their nose, but that's no different than any number of other Imperial groups.

 Ashiraya wrote:
According to the Chapter Master entry in the Codex, Chapter Masters answer only to others of his kind and the Emperor.

Make of that what you will.

I believe that in this case, the Inquisition would be acting as the Emperor's incarnate will. Chapter Masters are "Peers" of the Imperium, nobility on the level of Rogue Traders, Planetary Governors, and the like, and all others of such rank are absolutely subject to Inquisitorial conscription.

Planetary Governors, it should be noted, are inferior to several other ranks within the Adeptus Terra, which is one of the many reasons why the Inquisition can arrive, tell a PG that "ur doin it wrong" and shoot them.