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 djones520 wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Okay, I'm hearing reports that the hostages are being killed. Why the hell aren't the French storming the place?

Because real life isn't Call of Duty.

I know you know that.

Nothing wrong with wishing for a speedy end to this. We all want the French police and military to storm in and end these people, as quickly as possible.

It's demands and thoughts like this that make the job of those with their lives on the line hard though. How many times in warfare have hundreds died due to unreasonable demands from the ignorant or careless?

We all would love to hear about them being saved etc, but remember they are the ones who know what they are doing. Not us or the hostages. They too want the same thing remember.

Kill hostages to bait SWAT (or French equivalent) into storming into the ambush. Sick, but a potential risk.

14000 viewers of the live feed on Reddit. Wow.

They stormed the building. Two terrorists killed.



Her voice is trembling. She's almost crying. This is really upsetting.

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:
Kill hostages to bait SWAT (or French equivalent) into storming into the ambush. Sick, but a potential risk.

Theruy have a terrifying line to walk, charge into ambush, lose more lives, wait, plan, and risk more dead, both choices are awful.

 Swastakowey wrote:
How many times in warfare have hundreds died due to unreasonable demands from the ignorant or careless?

How many times did we have people die when we hesitated? Go read up on the Munich Massacre.

 Breotan wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
How many times in warfare have hundreds died due to unreasonable demands from the ignorant or careless?

How many times did we have people die when we hesitated? Go read up on the Munich Massacre.

Both extremes have people die, which is exactly why people who don't know anything (us) should let those who both have the job and their lives on the line do the decision making and demands. Ultimately, if they hesitate too much, hostages die, if they are rash, both could die.

This isn't the right time to discuss this, but it's situations like these where a mercenary force that did not fall under the same really strict governmental / ethical restrictions would be able to immediately intervene.

However, not the right time. Hoping the police takes the terrorists down as fast as possible.

The Munich Massacre was a disaster because of the three people who planned it, only one was a tactician, the other two were politicians. Then there was the incorrect information and the ill-equipped services, not to mention the plan going on as planned with the false information and even then being messed up.

I would hope we learnt from that tragedy.

A "carnage", an "apocalyptic" scene inside of the Bataclan according to BFMTV. A friend told me they found dismembered bodies. Might not be true, tho.

Concert hall is being stormed.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Concert hall is being stormed.

The assault ended minutes ago.

 LethalShade wrote:
A "carnage", an "apocalyptic" scene inside of the Bataclan according to BFMTV. A friend told me they found dismembered bodies. Might not be true, tho.

Wouldn't think they had time to start chopping people. Unless that's how they were executing the hostages.

Curse mobiles.

Do we know who carried this out yet?

Reports that a terrorist was taken alive.

Apparently, some people are getting revenge on the illegal immigrants on Calais, a video on the internet is showing a fire in "la jungle de Calais" (immigrant camp in the North of France) and 2 guys saying they lit the fire...
Beggining of the Civil War ?

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Okay, I'm hearing reports that the hostages are being killed. Why the hell aren't the French storming the place?

Because real life isn't Call of Duty.

I know you know that.

I think part of it is that we are more used to the lone-wolf active shooter type attacks, and the correct approach for those is to have the first officer on scene enter and engage the target right away.

Which of course is just not the right thing to do in a situation like that where there are likely traps for the responders and/or hostages.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Do we know who carried this out yet?

ISIS reportedly claimed it. Still not confirmed so don't jump to conclusions.

 godardc wrote:
Apparently, some people are getting revenge on the illegal immigrants on Calais, a video on the internet is showing a fire in "la jungle de Calais" (immigrant camp in the North of France) and 2 guys saying they lit the fire...

Wouldn't surprise me, sadly.

Two tangos down?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Do we know who carried this out yet?

People are theorizing at the moment. Given the weapons involved, it looks like the same group that attacked Charlie Hebdo.

Thoughts and condolences to all those affected.

They're saying the attacks near the stadium were suicide attacks.

 godardc wrote:
Apparently, some people are getting revenge on the illegal immigrants on Calais, a video on the internet is showing a fire in "la jungle de Calais" (immigrant camp in the North of France) and 2 guys saying they lit the fire...
Beggining of the Civil War ?

Could be.

 LethalShade wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Do we know who carried this out yet?

ISIS reportedly claimed it. Still not confirmed so don't jump to conclusions.

ISIS would claim they pooped on someone's lawn if they thought it would gain them anything. And to those of you frothing about "another attack from the religion of peace", need I remind you how much bloodshed has been carried out for other religious causes? Brainwashed Muslim extremists are attacking these places. Stop typecasting.

Report is that at least 100 hostages were rescued with various injuries.

My blood is boiling. I have no idea how to express in words what I'm feeling.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
need I remind you how much bloodshed has been carried out for other religious causes? Brainwashed Muslim extremists are attacking these places. Stop typecasting.

Everyone knows it's extremists. This doesn't change the fact that it's just one religion responsible for religious terrorism nowadays.

 Breotan wrote:
Report is that at least 100 hostages were rescued with various injuries.

Some good news at least.