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This is sad and disgusting.

Even worse are thousands of people on social media blaming France for these attacks, just like the charlie hebdo attacks. SMH

 Sigvatr wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:


It was at the 100 dead confirmed at that assault. I'm saying this shouldn't have happened today. Step up security and take the fight to the group responsible.

I'm not French. Not the right place / time to discuss this, but Europe really lacks in terms of security. Huge, easily exploitably security problems that are not adressed.

Indeed. I find myself quite lucky living in the UK, we still have problems with immigration, but not as much as the rest of Europe. Perks of being an island nation.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
And ofcourse politicians are still sticking their heads in the sand around here. They should just close the borders in all of the EU for at least now.

There's no need to close borders. Opening borders is essential to a country's well being. The problem is that Europe doesn't know how to deal with immigrants and has no system in place to cope with it. Cue Green Card.

There are systems, but any system is useless when hordes of immigrants just walk across the border with thousands at a time. Well, except building a huge fence apparently.

The systems are an utter joke. A limitless welfare state and open borders isn't a good combination if you want to maintain a healthy state. Higher up people have increased private security spending by more than 4-5 times over the last few months. Not saying it's unreasonable.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
And ofcourse politicians are still sticking their heads in the sand around here. They should just close the borders in all of the EU for at least now.

There's no need to close borders. Opening borders is essential to a country's well being. The problem is that Europe doesn't know how to deal with immigrants and has no system in place to cope with it. Cue Green Card.

There are systems, but any system is useless when hordes of immigrants just walk across the border with thousands at a time. Well, except building a huge fence apparently.

The systems are an utter joke. A limitless welfare state and open borders isn't a good combination if you want to maintain a healthy state. Higher up people have increased private security spending by more than 4-5 times over the last few months. Not saying it's unreasonable.

Wait for a bit, we'll turn into a police state soon enough.

These past days the refugee in the camp you're talking about have been staging attacks against the police at night, possibly by receiving external help due to how organized they were. Theorically so that during the chaos they find a way to hide in trucks and join the UK, but now with the fear and tension people will draw other conclusions as to who was responsible and why.

That camp is a special kind of place and is not related to Merkel call to refugees. It is a place of tension and we shall be very careful with any info related to it.

It may be as well right wing extremist, or people from inside the camp who caused the fire to cause chaos, or neighbors who live in fear who did something.

Thing is information is currently chaotic and sparse (I would never have known about the fires at Calais if not for that thread), and since we are now in a state of urgency the government now has control of the medias so we will have to rely on foreign news a lot these next days.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
And ofcourse politicians are still sticking their heads in the sand around here. They should just close the borders in all of the EU for at least now.

There's no need to close borders. Opening borders is essential to a country's well being. The problem is that Europe doesn't know how to deal with immigrants and has no system in place to cope with it. Cue Green Card.

Why else do we have borders? It's for safety... something people feel that they don't have. If we had actual borders there would be way more control of WHO would enter European countries.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
need I remind you how much bloodshed has been carried out for other religious causes? Brainwashed Muslim extremists are attacking these places. Stop typecasting.

Everyone knows it's extremists. This doesn't change the fact that it's just one religion responsible for religious terrorism nowadays.

*sigh* it's not one religion is it though?Plus- It's just a group of people with a heavily skewed vision of how Islam should be. Not the whole thing.

Hopefully not. A police state is highly detrimental to most o the economy. The main problem is not being willing to change anything about the status quo and people who do suggest anything even remotely tied to border security immediately being called nazis.

Wulfson_40K wrote:
These past days the refugee in that camp have been staging attacks against the police at night, possibly by receiving external help due to how organized they were. Theorically so that during the chaos they find a way to hide in trucks and join the UK, but now people will draw other conclusions as to who was responsible and why.

That camp is a special kind of place and is not related to Merkel call to refugees. It is a place of tension and we shall be very careful with any info related to it.

It may be as well right wing extremist, or people from inside the camp who caused the fire to cause chaos, or neighbors who live in fear who did something.

Thing is information is currently chaotic and sparse (I would never have known about the fires at Calais if not for that thread), and since we are now in a state of urgency the government now has control of the medias so we will have to rely on foreign news a lot these.

Reddit now saying there are reports that reports about fires in Calais camp are false and the images are old.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:


Why else do we have borders? It's for safety... something people feel that they don't have. If we had actual borders there would be way more control of WHO would enter European countries.

Borders nowadays serve political, not security reasons. Well, at least until the refugee crisis started. EU borders are a joke security-wise and Europe is lucky to not be a more frequent victim. Reactionism and leftism / socialism led to instability and lethargy.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
need I remind you how much bloodshed has been carried out for other religious causes? Brainwashed Muslim extremists are attacking these places. Stop typecasting.

Everyone knows it's extremists. This doesn't change the fact that it's just one religion responsible for religious terrorism nowadays.

*sigh* it's not one religion is it though?Plus- It's just a group of people with a heavily skewed vision of how Islam should be. Not the whole thing.

Try telling that to the masses. A lot of people on my social media channels are generalising it to every Muslim. I don't know why, but they seem to be more eager to generalise individuals to Islam than, I don't know, Christianity.

 LethalShade wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
And ofcourse politicians are still sticking their heads in the sand around here. They should just close the borders in all of the EU for at least now.

There's no need to close borders. Opening borders is essential to a country's well being. The problem is that Europe doesn't know how to deal with immigrants and has no system in place to cope with it. Cue Green Card.

There are systems, but any system is useless when hordes of immigrants just walk across the border with thousands at a time. Well, except building a huge fence apparently.

The systems are an utter joke. A limitless welfare state and open borders isn't a good combination if you want to maintain a healthy state. Higher up people have increased private security spending by more than 4-5 times over the last few months. Not saying it's unreasonable.

Wait for a bit, we'll turn into a police state soon enough.

Hopefully no but definitely increased security for a few years yet. Hopefully not a bad thing to discuss but this is just one more reason to find these terrorists a legitimate threat to not only the USA but Europe as well. At least 2 big attacks in france in recent memory should mean step up your security now and do something about these terrorist threats.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
need I remind you how much bloodshed has been carried out for other religious causes? Brainwashed Muslim extremists are attacking these places. Stop typecasting.

Everyone knows it's extremists. This doesn't change the fact that it's just one religion responsible for religious terrorism nowadays.

*sigh* it's not one religion is it though?Plus- It's just a group of people with a heavily skewed vision of how Islam should be. Not the whole thing.

Never said so. Just an objective observation.


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 Iron_Captain wrote:

Wulfson_40K wrote:
These past days the refugee in that camp have been staging attacks against the police at night, possibly by receiving external help due to how organized they were. Theorically so that during the chaos they find a way to hide in trucks and join the UK, but now people will draw other conclusions as to who was responsible and why.

That camp is a special kind of place and is not related to Merkel call to refugees. It is a place of tension and we shall be very careful with any info related to it.

It may be as well right wing extremist, or people from inside the camp who caused the fire to cause chaos, or neighbors who live in fear who did something.

Thing is information is currently chaotic and sparse (I would never have known about the fires at Calais if not for that thread), and since we are now in a state of urgency the government now has control of the medias so we will have to rely on foreign news a lot these.

Reddit now saying there are reports that reports about fires in Calais camp are false and the images are old.

Reported hoax by 3 individual sources.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Wulfson_40K wrote:
These past days the refugee in that camp have been staging attacks against the police at night, possibly by receiving external help due to how organized they were. Theorically so that during the chaos they find a way to hide in trucks and join the UK, but now people will draw other conclusions as to who was responsible and why.

That camp is a special kind of place and is not related to Merkel call to refugees. It is a place of tension and we shall be very careful with any info related to it.

It may be as well right wing extremist, or people from inside the camp who caused the fire to cause chaos, or neighbors who live in fear who did something.

Thing is information is currently chaotic and sparse (I would never have known about the fires at Calais if not for that thread), and since we are now in a state of urgency the government now has control of the medias so we will have to rely on foreign news a lot these.

Reddit now saying there are reports that reports about fires in Calais camp are false and the images are old.

Then who is responsible for spreading the images as authentic? Are there no actual news cameras there?

They say around 140 dead in total. They say it can become more. They are still counting.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
need I remind you how much bloodshed has been carried out for other religious causes? Brainwashed Muslim extremists are attacking these places. Stop typecasting.

Everyone knows it's extremists. This doesn't change the fact that it's just one religion responsible for religious terrorism nowadays.

*sigh* it's not one religion is it though?Plus- It's just a group of people with a heavily skewed vision of how Islam should be. Not the whole thing.

Never said so. Just an objective observation.


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 Iron_Captain wrote:

Wulfson_40K wrote:
These past days the refugee in that camp have been staging attacks against the police at night, possibly by receiving external help due to how organized they were. Theorically so that during the chaos they find a way to hide in trucks and join the UK, but now people will draw other conclusions as to who was responsible and why.

That camp is a special kind of place and is not related to Merkel call to refugees. It is a place of tension and we shall be very careful with any info related to it.

It may be as well right wing extremist, or people from inside the camp who caused the fire to cause chaos, or neighbors who live in fear who did something.

Thing is information is currently chaotic and sparse (I would never have known about the fires at Calais if not for that thread), and since we are now in a state of urgency the government now has control of the medias so we will have to rely on foreign news a lot these.

Reddit now saying there are reports that reports about fires in Calais camp are false and the images are old.

Reported hoax by 3 individual sources.

Sometimes gotta wonder if the news generates a lot of hate and such for their own gain (regardless of the actual truth). I'm sure they pick and choose to feed some people's emotions. At the end of the day it's what sells and they don't care who it hurts in the end as long as it's not themselves. Kinda hate the people that do news as much as politicians these days.

At least 140 dead. Just gets worse.
At least, conflicting news says. Nothing confirmed to my knowledge.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
They say around 140 dead in total. They say it can become more. They are still counting.

I assume that's all the attacks and not just the theater?

 Breotan wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
They say around 140 dead in total. They say it can become more. They are still counting.

I assume that's all the attacks and not just the theater?

Indeed. It was around 140/142. 3 of the terrorists are reported dead. So they at least got one alive.

So the refugee camp has been attacked by French nationals or are we just speculating as to the cause?

I would rather hope that French nationals wouldn't harm people for being vaguely similar to the attackers.

Edit: nevermind apparently a hoax.

.....thank grilled chesus no more need to be hurt outside of ISIS.

 Breotan wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
They say around 140 dead in total. They say it can become more. They are still counting.

I assume that's all the attacks and not just the theater?

Yeah, that's all the attacks. At least 100 in the theater.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:


Sometimes gotta wonder if the news generates a lot of hate and such for their own gain (regardless of the actual truth). I'm sure they pick and choose to feed some people's emotions. At the end of the day it's what sells and they don't care who it hurts in the end as long as it's not themselves. Kinda hate the people that do news as much as politicians these days.

Difficult to say. Chaos at news stations right now with people calling, sending pictures, videos etc.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Reddit now saying there are reports that reports about fires in Calais camp are false and the images are old.

It is for the better then, but alas I have no doubt that camp explosive situation will deteriorate quickly whatever happen now.

For me who lives right next to Marseille the possibility of something horrible happening always linger in the back of the head. A few days ago for example there was a big manga convention, the kind which tend to be very very popular. I had friends going there and I assure you that whether you like it or not you can't stop thinking that with thousand of young people and kids in at the same place there is a risk of something horrible happening. It is frightening to realize now that what was only a fear in the back of the head is taking a real shape.

More than 100 people in a single location have been killed according to BBC.

Looks like.I'm gonna have to walk my niece to school again, some Muslims blow up something and people shout hate at a 14 year old, measured response as usual.

Liveleak and Reddit overwhelmed.

 Formosa wrote:
More than 100 people in a single location have been killed according to BBC.

Looks like.I'm gonna have to walk my niece to school again, some Muslims blow up something and people shout hate at a 14 year old, measured response as usual.

Ugh, I hate that. It's easy to bandwagon on 'Muslims are evil!' when in reality these terrorists count for less than .01% of the 1.6b Muslims in the world.

Off to France. Let's hope that it's over for the rest of the night. Later.

Yes, and emotional stress leads to nonsense reactions. There is no easy solution to all of this. Paris is a wonderful city, it will recover from it for sure.

 Frozocrone wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
need I remind you how much bloodshed has been carried out for other religious causes? Brainwashed Muslim extremists are attacking these places. Stop typecasting.

Everyone knows it's extremists. This doesn't change the fact that it's just one religion responsible for religious terrorism nowadays.

*sigh* it's not one religion is it though?Plus- It's just a group of people with a heavily skewed vision of how Islam should be. Not the whole thing.

Try telling that to the masses. A lot of people on my social media channels are generalising it to every Muslim. I don't know why, but they seem to be more eager to generalise individuals to Islam than, I don't know, Christianity.

For me i accept that it's one group. But my question is: just how large is that group? Both proportionately and in total? Its becoming more and more serious an issue as time goes by. Also, my condolences to those involved and i hope things don't get any worse for you.


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 Frozocrone wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
More than 100 people in a single location have been killed according to BBC.

Looks like.I'm gonna have to walk my niece to school again, some Muslims blow up something and people shout hate at a 14 year old, measured response as usual.

Ugh, I hate that. It's easy to bandwagon on 'Muslims are evil!' when in reality these terrorists count for less than .01% of the 1.6b Muslims in the world.

source?

There is no camp burning, bandwagon fake info to create an agenda.


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The Reuters feed is a good source for reliable information

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Paris_attacks_2?utm_source=twitter