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As the title states 200 kabalite warriors or mandrakes (You decide) vs 200 nightlord chaos marines using melee wepaons only (no flying or jumpacks for either side) in a completely darkened environment who would win

The Marines, easily.

Dark Eldar Kaballites are squishy and weak. They're marginally faster, but it think of it like this.

The Marine can smash a Kaballite with one solid punch, but the Kaballite will need about a thousand licks to get to the tasty centre of the Marine... and they're not that much faster.

Also, Kaballites can see with almost no light whatsoever, which is great, but absolute darkness is absolute. Marines on the other hand can hunt by scent if need be.

What Miko said. This is not at all a fair fight.

why is not fair dark elder are far quicker than a chaos marine and can see in the dark (why else would they have the night fighting rule) plus their weapons are poison which renders power armour void

200 Mandrakes would be a more reasonable fight, and the same number in Incubi would probably slaughter the marines. In this fight though, the Nightlords would definitely win, no contest.

Completely unbalanced Marine > Kabalite Warrior. Poison doesn't have any effect on power armor. Bolter shells go right through Warrior armor. Seeing in the dark is nice, but not going to be a big enough advantage vs marines who have heightened senses of their own.

Dark Eldar are quicker, but will essentially bounce of the marines armor, and while poison equalizes the marines toughness in shooting, the marines are far tougher in melee. Marines are stronger and better armed for this conflict.

Trystis wrote:
Completely unbalanced Marine > Kabalite Warrior. Poison doesn't have any effect on power armor. Bolter shells go right through Warrior armor. Seeing in the dark is nice, but not going to be a big enough advantage vs marines who have heightened senses of their own.

Dark Eldar are quicker, but will essentially bounce of the marines armor, and while poison equalizes the marines toughness in shooting, the marines are far tougher in melee. Marines are stronger and better armed for this conflict.

I did mention the contest was with melee weapons did I not?
Anyway I included a mandrake option from a previous comment

Scorpionov wrote:why is not fair dark elder are far quicker than a chaos marine and can see in the dark (why else would they have the night fighting rule) plus their weapons are poison which renders power armour void

Kaballites don't have poisoned melee weapons, and anyway, Space Marines are practically immune to poison.

You are literally talking about a bunch of elves - who are as physically powerful and resilient as humans - with knives, and pitting them against a bunch of walking tanks who can rip tanks apart with their bare hands.

except the elder are not humans they are far quicker than the human eye can trace
and mandrakes are part demon

 Scorpionov wrote:
why is not fair dark elder are far quicker than a chaos marine and can see in the dark (why else would they have the night fighting rule)

A completely darkened room would not have any light in it. As such no one would be able to see no matter how good their eyes are. Night vision equipment wouldn't help either. You need to have a light source which would give away your position.

Scorpionov wrote:except the elder are not humans they are far quicker than the human eye can trace

Space Marines are often described in such ways as well.

And Astartes don't have human eyes so that is irrelevant.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

 Scorpionov wrote:
why is not fair dark elder are far quicker than a chaos marine and can see in the dark (why else would they have the night fighting rule)

A completely darkened room would not have any light in it. As such no one would be able to see no matter how good their eyes are. Night vision equipment wouldn't help either. You need to have a light source which would give away your position

Dark elder see in the dark naturally there is very little light in commoraugh

Scorpionov wrote:except the elder are not humans they are far quicker than the human eye can trace

Space Marines are often described in such ways as well.

they are still slower than eldar especially dark eldar

Scorpionov wrote:except the elder are not humans they are far quicker than the human eye can trace
and mandrakes are part demon

It doesn't matter if you're faster than the eye can follow when the environment is completely dark so nobody can see. Humans can move faster than the eye can follow when it comes to hand movement too, and Marines are much faster than humans.

And you didn't ask about mandrakes, you said Kabbalites Warriors.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Scorpionov wrote:except the elder are not humans they are far quicker than the human eye can trace
and mandrakes are part demon

It doesn't matter if you're faster than the eye can follow when the environment is completely dark so nobody can see. Humans can move faster than the eye can follow when it comes to hand movement too, and Marines are much faster than humans.

And you didn't ask about mandrakes, you said Kabbalites Warriors.

I put in the mandrake option due to a previous poster suggesting it as an alternative

Also it does not matter that marines are much faster than humans an eldar, especially a dark eldar is faster as stated in their profile and there was one story where the word bearer could not believe that the dark eldar was faster than him he actually though she was a psyker. but the dark elder cannot stand against a direct hit from a space marine so it kind of evens out

Suprize the kabalites cheated and brought some nasty things to the game.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Suprize the kabalites cheated and brought some nasty things to the game.

That makes the game more fun

 Scorpionov wrote:


I put in the mandrake option due to a previous poster suggesting it as an alternative

Also it does not matter that marines are much faster than humans an eldar, especially a dark eldar is faster as stated in their profile and there was one story where the word bearer could not believe that the dark eldar was faster than him he actually though she was a psyker. but the dark elder cannot stand against a direct hit from a space marine so it kind of evens out

By the same token, there's a story where a lone loyalist Space Marine slaughters ten Dark Eldar without breaking a sweat, and Oan MKoll, an ordinary human (albeith a Tanith scout) stalks and kills a Mandrake single-handedly in another story.

100 Kaballites in an lightless, enclosed space against Marines are dead. They cant' run, they can't use their speed, and all their ninja tricks are just going to get them clotheslined before they can even find a weakness in the Marines' armour because they can't see.

I never said the area was enclosed

How do you ensure complete darkness without enclosing the area?

-A planet that's so far away from a star light cannot reach it

- the city of Commoraugh

-Night time on far flung planets with out any moons

-The Webway

-An underground city

You'll still have light from the stars in everything except Commoragh or underground.

Look, the fact is that Dark Eldar Kaballites are literally clone soldiers who act as nothing but cannon fodder.

Mandrakes might have a chance since they're actually good at close combat and are stronger and tougher than normal DEldar, as far as I know, but unless their big swords can cut through power armour, it's still going to be an uphill struggle.

that's what im sayinga dark elder warrior will get pulped if hit that's why they gotta use their speed and quickness to get the first strike in which has a 50% chance of killing the marine.

Heck to even strike at the same time as eldar you got to give marines a mark of slaanesh

A fifty percent chance?

You're joking. Try dividing that by a hundred.

A Dark Eldar Warrior - if you want to use game statistics - has a zero point five percent chance of killing a Marine with a single blow.

Sure, your Dark Eldar might be able to hit the Marine ten times for every strike the Marine gets on the Dark Eldar, but those little knives are not going to penetrate the Marine's armour unless they get insanely lucky.

im not joking power in not invulnerable arm, leg, neck joints are soft targets with enough swings you have a dead marine if he is not wearing a helmet he gonna have a bad day

and secondly serveral times in close combat my mark of nurgle and khorne marines LOST close combat to my friends kabalite warriors and were run down only to be blown away by other units

This isn't a fair fight. A Kabalite isn't a close combat specialist, they train with Knives and punch daggers and while they are stated to be faster and stronger then Craftworlders, they are still leagues behind a Marine in strength.

Kabalites have a speed advantage, but it honestly isn't a great one. A Marine and an not specialized Eldar have similar reaction speeds, however the Eldar can move his body quicker due to his lack of armour. However a punch dagger vs Power armour just isn't a fair deal, the Night Lord will eventually pin them down and rip them apart bare handed.

Wyches on the other hand would be a good fight, however i would still give it to the Marines. When a Wych fights a Marine in the Arena, the Marine has no armour. Blood Briders would be an equal fight, as these are the Elite of the Cults and could be expected to be able to dodge and use the melee to their advantage as well as having more suitable weapons. Mandrakes would lose, they aren't as fast or skilled as Wyches and rely on picking enemies off, something Night Lords with coms would quickly counteract.

Incubi would be a slaughter, as each is more then capable of handling a Marine.

As a general rule a Marine is better or equal to an Eldar in all things unless the Eldar is specialized in that role. A Dire Avenger will have better aim then a Marine, an Incubi will be a better fighter and a Succubus will beat a Captain, however if the Marine takes on an Eldar in something they are not specifically trained to do he will usually succeed.

i don't know wyches i think would be overpowered for marines they just slaughter them

Go read Brothers of the Snake.

And then consider that a Sister of Battle fought an entire kabal's stock of sponsored gladiators in the pits of Commoragh and won, before leaving because she stopped being so depressed she felt it was the only thing she could do.

Surprise web way portal, bring the beasts

 Scorpionov wrote:
I put in the mandrake option due to a previous poster suggesting it as an alternative

 Furyou Miko wrote:

By the same token, there's a story where a lone loyalist Space Marine slaughters ten Dark Eldar without breaking a sweat, and Oan MKoll, an ordinary human (albeith a Tanith scout) stalks and kills a Mandrake single-handedly in another story.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Go read Brothers of the Snake.

And then consider that a Sister of Battle fought an entire kabal's stock of sponsored gladiators in the pits of Commoragh and won, before leaving because she stopped being so depressed she felt it was the only thing she could do.

Hey, that's not exactly fair where in one thread you justify Mkoll outfoxing and defeating a Mandrake by saying it was before the retcon/reinvention of the DE, and then in another thread use that as fluff evidence

Brothers of the Snake was also written before the DE reinvention and by the same author, who, while very respected in the 40k community, does use a lot of plot armour and mary sue characters (*cough* Mkoll and Mkvenner). Though to be fair, Kabalite warriors weren't buffed as much. But overall the pre-5th ed codex DE were very different creatures from what they are now.

Night Lords. They could take anything short of Incubi, I'd imagine, and could probably beat the Incubi if they are given their equivalents in wargear (lightning claws, power weapons).