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Zero.

We agreed to a limit. If you had wanted to play at 1503, you should have said that before we made armies.

Zero is the "correct" answer.

For a casual group/setting I usually rule as "half the cost of a base guy" or as close as possible without compromising their list. Like, if they are 8-10 points over and their cheapest removable unit is 50 points, I'll let it go.

 Eldarain wrote:
In this age of hundreds of free points formations I thought there would be more tolerance of a point or two over in list writing.

say those 5 points allowed another squad of marines in a gladius. Suddenly those extra 5 points became 40 extra points, because of the free rhino. That just compounds the problem and makes an already broken thing worse. In my war convocation I HAVE no wargear to drop and my 2k points list is so close that the difference between 2k points and 2005 points is switching my knights melta cannon to the the far superior rapid fire battle cannon. Does that sound like a minor matter?

My philosophy: Better five points under than one point over.

Depends on the situation, for me.

If we're throwing army lists together on the fly, then close enough is good enough... We'll usually point out the extra and check that the opponent is ok with it, to allow them to tweak their list to match if they want.

If it's a pre-arranged game, then no, there is no excuse for not taking the time to build your list properly.

Our rule is "you can take less than five, then your opponent gets 5."

I am fairly lenient: up yo 8 points. Because everything else that I face invariably comes with several hundred points worth of tacked on formation bonuses.

It's just a few points who really cares.

Colehkxix wrote:
It's just a few points who really cares.

Apparently the person who needs the extra points instead of sticking to the agreed upon amount.

I'm not all that fussed, because I generally find that both my opponents and I forget half the upgrades we pay for every game anyway, so whilst I always stay at or under the points limit, I'm happy enough to let them have a few extra if it makes life easier. If there is an upgrade I can take to make up or they can lose to balance it, then I might ask the question, but I wouldn't push it, it's just a game.

Sometimes people have army collections that don't have small models or upgrades they can remove. I'd rather my opponent had 1503 pts than say 1400, for a 1500 pt game because the only unit they had available to fill the gap comes in at 103 points. The 3 points over makes less of a difference than the 100 pts under.

Ace Rimmer wrote:
I'm not all that fussed, because I generally find that both my opponents and I forget half the upgrades we pay for every game anyway, so whilst I always stay at or under the points limit, I'm happy enough to let them have a few extra if it makes life easier. If there is an upgrade I can take to make up or they can lose to balance it, then I might ask the question, but I wouldn't push it, it's just a game.

Sometimes people have army collections that don't have small models or upgrades they can remove. I'd rather my opponent had 1503 pts than say 1400, for a 1500 pt game because the only unit they had available to fill the gap comes in at 103 points. The 3 points over makes less of a difference than the 100 pts under.

How many armies have no options under 100 points available to them?

This thread seems to be getting combative really fast xD its a game, chill out. If its a tourny or event sure, and if the person doing these extra points is assuming you will give it to them okay, but that's more about conduct then actual game balance.

For me I don't mind oddball numbers, just tell me and I'll quickly add something. Oh you are 20pts over but you wanted to use X thing this game? Okay cool, I'll just throw a multimelta on my vehicle. Exact point values don't matter, as long as they are similar in value. It's why I tend to avoid Daemon summoning spam in my army unless I'm playing daemons or am facing a army that gives free junk with no penalty.

Sorry, perhaps a poor example on my part. How about instead we say a nid player with MSU naked everything at 1400 and the only models he has left is 3 tyranid warriors with say deathspitters or 2 naked and one of them has boneswords. It's 105 either way. I wouldn't quibble over the 5 points.

Ace Rimmer wrote:
Sorry, perhaps a poor example on my part. How about instead we say a nid player with MSU naked everything at 1400 and the only models he has left is 3 tyranid warriors with say deathspitters or 2 naked and one of them has boneswords. It's 105 either way. I wouldn't quibble over the 5 points.

While I wouldn't mind the extra points so long as he discussed it prior, and as a one-off, it's ultimately up to players to ensure they're building legal armies. If you can't make a 1500 point army with the models you have, the obvious answer would be to not arrange to play 1500 point games.

I only play with friends so 5 points generally. Though you can sometimes go over if the opponent also can (but only up to like 10 points)

We allow a couple (1-4) points over due to GWs horrible non-rounded point cost system. My 1250 Tau list has two Firewarrior squads that comes to 266 points which makes my total 1251. Models costing 7 points and some upgrades costing 8 and so on makes its hard to come up with a rounded 0 or 5 number.

Well it seems like quite a rift between people some are vehement at 0 points over and other guys are chilled with a few over so in future i think in casual games ill just let the guy know long beforehand whats happening. tourneys obviously its 0 though.

 Ruberu wrote:
We allow a couple (1-4) points over due to GWs horrible non-rounded point cost system. My 1250 Tau list has two Firewarrior squads that comes to 266 points which makes my total 1251. Models costing 7 points and some upgrades costing 8 and so on makes its hard to come up with a rounded 0 or 5 number.

Then remove a model or upgrade and play below 1250. If your two squads are a total of 266 points then you have things to cut and no excuse for breaking the point limit.

Colehkxix wrote:
It's just a few points who really cares.

So it'd be no problem to just drop those points and get under the total then?

To be honest, I don't understand how this is even something to be considered.

If you're a couple of points over because of something inconsequential then just remove it.

If you're a couple of points over because you're squeezing in something significant then you're cheating.

Colehkxix wrote:
It's just a few points who really cares.

a big problem with 'a few points' is that you say it is for minor upgrade A while it could also be for giant MC/GC B

Oberron wrote:

Colehkxix wrote:
It's just a few points who really cares.

a big problem with 'a few points' is that you say it is for minor upgrade A while it could also be for giant MC/GC B

This is always my take on "free points", it could allow something silly into the list.

0 points over for me, even 1pt = illegal list, go rebuild please.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

Colehkxix wrote:
It's just a few points who really cares.

So it'd be no problem to just drop those points and get under the total then?

To be honest, I don't understand how this is even something to be considered.

If you're a couple of points over because of something inconsequential then just remove it.

If you're a couple of points over because you're squeezing in something significant then you're cheating.

Couldn't have said it better myself. If you don't care going over the agreed limit by a few points, why care so much playing with a few points under it?

Answer: People do really care but tend to justify their side and break agreements as long as it benefits them.

It would depend on the list for me. I haven't run into it in a while but back in 3rd and 4th edition, I would occasionally make lists that were 1 or 2 points over but the only way to get them under was to drop a 42 point model. And sometimes that model would put me below the minimum unit size so it would mean removing a 200 point unit.

Sometimes the math just isn't on your side and I have no problem with little things like that. But for clarity, my gaming group at the time had a general understanding that those types of circumstances were allowed. There was a core group of 8 or 9 of us that played each other every Saturday and ran other games throughout the week though, so it wasn't like we were walking into a new group with an over-pointed list looking for games.

Now if you had a 3 point grenade upgrade on your hq and you were 2 points over, you would probably be asked to remove it in a tournament, not in friendly games though. I find as a rule, my house, my rules is a good mantra to live by in these situations. And if you aren't in your own house, you should ask the owner what their rules are before playing.

Zero.

If you're going to play a, say, 1500 points game, it means you're agreeing to play a game where both sides can only bring up to 1500 points. 1500. Not 1501, nor 1503. If you willingly go over the limit, you're breaching the agreement, and it isn't less of an issue if both players do it.

I usually take a pretty lenient and friendly attitude towards gaming, but this is one of the few things where either you adhere to the rules, or you don't. No middle ground, and no "a couple free points cuz it's not important". If it's not important and it won't make a difference, why going over the limit in the first place?

As long as everyone is singing from the same sheet I don't think it matters. If you and your opponent want to make that allowance, of course it's fine as long as you both know. Don't let anyone here discourage you from playing how you and your opponent wish to play.

If you're playing against someone you haven't played before though (or at a tournament), definitely stay under the limit. That extra meltabomb can really make a difference and if it's a competitive environment it could quite rightly tick someone off.

autumnlotus wrote:
This thread seems to be getting combative really fast xD its a game, chill out.

This. Whether your stance is zero or a couple points, no reason to make personal attacks/take someone's opinion as such.

Crow splat I played in all of third and fourth. There is zero armies where you would have had to be that under. You MAY have had to drop a 25 point power fist or some such that you really wanted, but there was never a situation like your describing. I played hundreds of games I'm 3rd back in my college free time, and not on person ever had to go below 30, which was never game breaking. And this was a GW where you saw every army regularly, even sisters.

For a pick up game or whatever games sure be 20 points over. Really its not a big deal either way to me. If you are 5 points over then one of my units will now have meltabombs or something. Great!

In a tournament environment 0 points over. I don't police people but if I were a TO it would be strict nothing over. I would also require a whole UNIT be removed not just a single item if found after play has started. There is nothing serious about this game to me so im quite laxed about said rules. Im usually the first to d6 rules questions because in the end its a game.

Like 3 points over or so. I get it, sometimes that combi weapon that costs 7 pts doesn't finish out smoothly

If youre not going to use the points system dont play a point system game. Vote for 0

Maybe check out Age of Sigmar?