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Dude, I was just expressing an opinion. There are clearly some people on this thread that hadn't heard of it, thought they'd appreciate it since I know I don't like spoilers in threads announcing stuff I didn't know about yet. That's all.

7 years.

If you haven't read, watched, or seen it in seven years after it came out, the spoiler tags are coming off cause you just missed the boat

I just read a book called "Dakka Dakka Off-Topic"

 d-usa wrote:
I just read a book called "Dakka Dakka Off-Topic"

Spoiler:

People got baned

I laughed harder at that then I probably should have. I blame the gin. Exalted.

 d-usa wrote:
I just read a book called "Dakka Dakka Off-Topic"

Spoiler:

People got baned

You mean like this guy?

He is The Man in the Baned Castle.

I've just finished the actual book again on Kindle. (I mean again on Kindle in the sense that I last read it about 25 years ago in paperback.)

What a great book! Read it whether or not you've watched the TV series.

I've started watching the series at work this weekend because I needed something to kill time.

Overall, I really have enjoyed it so far and I have three episodes left. One of the great things they do in the show is the subtle world-building; the songs on the radio, the television shows they watch, the movie marquees, etc.

Edited. Too much of a good thing.

 Ouze wrote:

Spoiler:

not knowing anything more about the films - who makes them, what purpose they serve, etc - than I did in the first episode.

To me, not knowing the answers to those questions is much better than knowing. My opinion (spoilered in case not everyone has finished the series):

Costumes were great and acting was OK though.

Yeah, the costume design was amazing and the best actors were all of the secondary characters.

The speculation as to closure seems legit. That would be a good angle, and in keeping with, for example, what happened after contemporary dictators like Saddam Hussein exited the picture.

I watched it but am confused why did they stop after like half the country? I thought it was kinda a all or nothing type of war?

The Rockies are a big mountain range and it would take resources to take the fight over them. But I think it's probably more of a symbolic move in the book to mirror the German-Russian "we will divide Europe up like this" agreements in the real war.

 d-usa wrote:
The Rockies are a big mountain range and it would take resources to take the fight over them. But I think it's probably more of a symbolic move in the book to mirror the German-Russian "we will divide Europe up like this" agreements in the real war.

Ah think i miss understood the book then, i assumed it was a nazi won the war scenario. Thank you for your comment.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I've just finished the actual book again on Kindle. (I mean again on Kindle in the sense that I last read it about 25 years ago in paperback.)

What a great book! Read it whether or not you've watched the TV series.

Does the book answer:



?

Ouze wrote:The speculation as to closure seems legit. That would be a good angle, and in keeping with, for example, what happened after contemporary dictators like Saddam Hussein exited the picture.

I also think that all realities exist simultaneously: ours, theirs, the one Jules and Frank see in the second film, etc.

Also,

 Ouze wrote:

Spoiler:

Who is making the movies
Where they come from

?

There are no films in book, but there is a book-within-a-book called The Grasshopper Lies Heavy, which most of the characters have read. It's written by a guy named Hawthorne Abendsen who lives in the Rocky Mountain States and it tells another alternative version of history, albeit one a little closer to ours: the Allies win the war; instead of collapsing, the UK continues to expand their Empire and gets super racist; the US realizes racism is actually kind of gakky and eliminates it by the 1950s; the US and UK enter a Cold War; and even though the end of the novel isn't explained, someone in the book claims it ends with the UK winning the Cold War and becoming the world's only superpower.

Regarding the book and where it comes from, Hawthorne's wife Caroline confesses to Jules that he used the I Ching to write the book. Eventually Jules asks the I Ching why it helped write the book and it responds, "because that version of history has some inner truth to it." Then that's pretty much it.

Thanks!

They're making a movie? Huh. I read a few pages from the book, it's great. I love the concept.

 Matthew wrote:
They're making a movie? Huh. I read a few pages from the book, it's great. I love the concept.

Not a movie but a serial on Amazon Prime and they've already made it (well, ten episodes at least).

I must say I didn't get all of those conclusions myself (particularly the racism angle) but it's worth reading the book to make up your own mind.

It's a relatively short book and very snappily written.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I think the Germans had the atombomb in 1941, or something, but it's ages since I read the book.

However the point is not how they won, but that they did.

I will find it too incongruous to enjoy the programme is something so massively unlikely as an Axis occupied USA isnt logically explained.

I wouldn't call it outside the realm of possibility. Sure, looking back we can say for sure the Nazis couldn't have won because when all the cards were laid out on the table the Allies had all the winning hands.

The issue is that war, much like Poker, often involves a good bit of bluffing and deception. From a strict technical perspective, the Tiger tank had a bunch of flaws due to shortcuts in its production and general lack of resources. On the ground however, Allied tankers were terrified of the Tiger, so much that practically any German tank that got spotted was believed to be one. If the Axis powers played their cards a little smarter and had a little bit of luck they could have dealt with the Allies one by one. Sure, when you are the all-knowing student of history you can say one side couldn't beat the other, but things are much murkier when nobody knows what the other actually has.

The US population wasn't in favor of going to war till Pearl Harbor, and if Pearl Harbor had actually been a success for the Japanese then we might have been more reluctant to engage further. Without our carriers things look much different in the Pacific.

It is of course unlikely that the US surrenders to the Axis powers, what is more likely is that the US remains an isolationist nation while Germany, Russia, and Japan fight over the Old World.

Finished the show yesterday. I really liked it but the ending? Seriously? That was just plain stupid.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Finished the show yesterday. I really liked it but the ending? Seriously? That was just plain stupid.

Spoiler:

Why is Tagomi suddenly in the world where the allies won the war? He never even watched one of the movies.
And why is this the final scene? I was never left so unsatisfied by a TV series.

That's my theory, at least.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Finished the show yesterday. I really liked it but the ending? Seriously? That was just plain stupid.

Spoiler:

Why is Tagomi suddenly in the world where the allies won the war? He never even watched one of the movies.
And why is this the final scene? I was never left so unsatisfied by a TV series.

I'm glad at least one other person was left unsatisfied; because everyone else I know both here and IRL seemed to love it. I'm going to read the book as well, see if that helps.

I have only seen the first episode of the TV. My impression is that they used the book as a general background inspiration and deviated from the book's plot fairly broadly.

To be fair, the book has a lot of characters' internal monologues that would be difficult to express in a TV drama without the dreaded voice over.

 Ouze wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Finished the show yesterday. I really liked it but the ending? Seriously? That was just plain stupid.

Spoiler:

Why is Tagomi suddenly in the world where the allies won the war? He never even watched one of the movies.
And why is this the final scene? I was never left so unsatisfied by a TV series.

I'm glad at least one other person was left unsatisfied; because everyone else I know both here and IRL seemed to love it. I'm going to read the book as well, see if that helps.

The book and the show aren't much alike. There are no "heroes," no Resistance, it mainly takes place in San Francisco, and it's overall pretty depressing. It's also considered Philip K. Dick's best work.

As far as the ending goes, it's the most Dickian part of the show and the reason why a lot of people liked it.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Finished the show yesterday. I really liked it but the ending? Seriously? That was just plain stupid.

Spoiler:

Why is Tagomi suddenly in the world where the allies won the war? He never even watched one of the movies.
And why is this the final scene? I was never left so unsatisfied by a TV series.

I'm glad at least one other person was left unsatisfied; because everyone else I know both here and IRL seemed to love it. I'm going to read the book as well, see if that helps.

The book and the show aren't much alike. There are no "heroes," no Resistance, it mainly takes place in San Francisco, and it's overall pretty depressing. It's also considered Philip K. Dick's best work.

As far as the ending goes, it's the most Dickian part of the show and the reason why a lot of people liked it.

I didn't read the book, but as far as the German wikipedia summary goes: