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K. Just wondering, what weapons do the SW ships have? Since pretty much all bigger SM ships can call Exterminatus. One method for this are plasma rockets, which will destroy everything you point it at.

Also, what weapons do the Emperor's Guard have?

Turbo-lasers are the standard armament for all Star Wars capitol ships. Most also carry some Ion cannons and Proton Torpedo launchers.

 Wyzilla wrote:

Not even that. If a Jedi tried to block a solid slug with his lightsaber, IE a normal bullet, the lightsaber would vaporize the bullet... but the hot gas the bullet turned into would maintain momentum. So all the Jedi would do is get scalding air puffing into his face giving him/her third or second degree burns.

Your lack of faith disturbs me.

What about a Bolter round?

I'd say space combat is a wash. The Empire's vessels can potentially bring all of their firepower to bear due to the wedge shape, and have gravity well generators and other high-tech hijinks. The Imperium has superior armor on their ships (SW ships rely almost completely on shields) in addition to void shields, and makes use of boarding torpedoes.

Edit: That's assuming everyone just dukes it out over Hoth. In a wider conflict, SW vessels have advantage in mobility.

 Matthew wrote:
What about a Bolter round?

You would think they could just use the force to telekenetically stop it in the air or adjust it's trajectory away from them.

That's when you switch to Dragonfire rounds. Or send in a Culexus.

Would a Jedi be strong enough to hold back hundreds of Bolter rounds being fired at him at the same time?

 Matthew wrote:
Would a Jedi be strong enough to hold back hundreds of Bolter rounds being fired at him at the same time?

Probably not, unless they were Yoda level good.

 asorel wrote:
That's when you switch to Dragonfire rounds. Or send in a Culexus.

The rounds would still get force swept away, and force users aren't psykers.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 asorel wrote:
That's when you switch to Dragonfire rounds. Or send in a Culexus.

The rounds would still get force swept away, and force users aren't psykers.

It's an energy that flows through all living things and the domain of the dead. Certain individuals are attuned to it, and know how to harness that energy. That's the Realm of Souls (pre war in heaven Warp) in a nutshell.

Its still not the warp, its similar, but its not the same thing.

Another thought about a situation where the 2 Universes get connected by some kind of passage is that the Universes are not unfied. You would actually get a spliting of factional alliances.

I could see Sith and Chaos colluding for example. What about Eldar, Tau, and Orks? Tyranids might start pouring into the Star Wars galaxy and F their S up.

 MeanAss_Demasoni wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
What about a Bolter round?

You would think they could just use the force to telekenetically stop it in the air or adjust it's trajectory away from them.

Yet the demonstrations from the EU show that Jedi have issues doing that with solid slug weaponry.

 Matthew wrote:
K. Just wondering, what weapons do the SW ships have? Since pretty much all bigger SM ships can call Exterminatus. One method for this are plasma rockets, which will destroy everything you point it at.

Also, what weapons do the Emperor's Guard have?

Ion Cannons several different types for different roles
Turbo Lasers same as above (from massive devastating short range blasts to long range steady barrages)
Some Super Star Destroyer's had a single death star laser equipped on them B.D. (Before Disney who know if its still canon)

Quad Gun Turrets for anti squadron
Cluster Bombs for the same

Ordnances include:
Assault Concussion Missiles (designed to destroy shielding faster)
Proton Torpedoes (different types, some designed to bypass shielding some for massive yield)
Others

Electronic counter measures and point defense systems to defend ship from incoming ordinance.

specialized well trained crews

Sun Crusher tech B.D.

Stealth technology and cloaking

standard TIE is superior to standard Imperium navy fighter



Emperor's Guard (not to confused with similar elite guard of the old republic for the Chancellors) we're force sensitive and trained via force for combat only, they wielded staves that were probably like a power maul while not overly powerful. The force speed and strength would be overwhelming.

I'd say a terminator would at least put a dent in them before he fell. certainly a few to half would be soup to the power fist.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 MeanAss_Demasoni wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
What about a Bolter round?

You would think they could just use the force to telekenetically stop it in the air or adjust it's trajectory away from them.

Yet the demonstrations from the EU show that Jedi have issues doing that with solid slug weaponry.

Then why do they keep using blasters to fight them? I always find it funny when they use futuristic weaponry in Sci Fi when it often seems at best on par with conventional weapons and usually has some kind of majore drawback.

It reminds me of the Star Trek movie where Picard lures the Borg onto the holodeck and uses a tommygun to mow down scores of borg and their shields are useless. Why not replicate projectile weapons instead whenever fighting the borg?

 MeanAss_Demasoni wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 MeanAss_Demasoni wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
What about a Bolter round?

You would think they could just use the force to telekenetically stop it in the air or adjust it's trajectory away from them.

Yet the demonstrations from the EU show that Jedi have issues doing that with solid slug weaponry.

Then why do they keep using blasters to fight them? I always find it funny when they use futuristic weaponry in Sci Fi when it often seems at best on par with conventional weapons and usually has some kind of majore drawback.

It reminds me of the Star Trek movie where Picard lures the Borg onto the holodeck and uses a tommygun to mow down scores of borg and their shields are useless. Why not replicate projectile weapons instead whenever fighting the borg?

Partly to make the jedi/force sensitives look better/cooler, the other major reason is likely because its a waste of resources to make slug-throwers when its only really useful against force sensitives which are a tiny part of the population compared to all the other guys you have to face where blasters are more effective.

 Grimskul wrote:

Partly to make the jedi/force sensitives look better/cooler, the other major reason is likely because its a waste of resources to make slug-throwers when its only really useful against force sensitives which are a tiny part of the population compared to all the other guys you have to face where blasters are more effective.

Storm Trooper armor doesn't seem to offer any protection against blasters, and even Ewok arrows/slingshots seem to decimate Storm Troopers. So what are blasters better at doing?

 MeanAss_Demasoni wrote:


Storm Trooper armor doesn't seem to offer any protection against blasters, and even Ewok arrows/slingshots seem to decimate Storm Troopers. So what are blasters better at doing?

Repurposing old gun props without it being 100% obvious that they were previously used by Nazis and Daleks.

 asorel wrote:
That's when you switch to Dragonfire rounds. Or send in a Culexus.

The Force is not the Warp, so a Blank doesn't get anything except surprisingly Force-Choked the gak out of.

On the ship scale thing, this will proly help


So, we can put that to rest now.

As for ground battles..... Storm troopers got beaten by bears with spears. A single SM would wade thru the entire ewok population without thinking about it.

And then meet Treek, and get his power-armored head eaten.

 Matthew wrote:
K. Just wondering, what weapons do the SW ships have? Since pretty much all bigger SM ships can call Exterminatus. One method for this are plasma rockets, which will destroy everything you point it at.

Also, what weapons do the Emperor's Guard have?

Star Wars ships are armed with turbolasers (funky technobabble plasma), ion cannons (ionized plasma), concussion torpedoes (ship mounted, only appearing in Legends IIRC), and proton torpedoes. Legends has more variety than this, but the basic armament of all ships will have a variety of these four types.


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 asorel wrote:
I'd say space combat is a wash. The Empire's vessels can potentially bring all of their firepower to bear due to the wedge shape, and have gravity well generators and other high-tech hijinks. The Imperium has superior armor on their ships (SW ships rely almost completely on shields) in addition to void shields, and makes use of boarding torpedoes.

Edit: That's assuming everyone just dukes it out over Hoth. In a wider conflict, SW vessels have advantage in mobility.

It doesn't matter what firepower the Galactic Empire can bring to bear. IOM ships are a OOM greater when it comes to firepower they dish out and firepower they can tank.


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 Bobthehero wrote:

 asorel wrote:
That's when you switch to Dragonfire rounds. Or send in a Culexus.

The rounds would still get force swept away, and force users aren't psykers.

Culexus will still stop a Jedi cold. They cause all life to start gibbering in madness due to the horror of meeting something that literally is a soulless monstrosity. This works even against Tau.

While there's a broad variety of warheads and missile-types, yeah, it's basically "some big guns" "some small guns" "some missiles and/or bombs" and "some weird space-magic weapon" (tractor beams, gravity rays, etc).

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
K. Just wondering, what weapons do the SW ships have? Since pretty much all bigger SM ships can call Exterminatus. One method for this are plasma rockets, which will destroy everything you point it at.

Also, what weapons do the Emperor's Guard have?

Ion Cannons several different types for different roles
Turbo Lasers same as above (from massive devastating short range blasts to long range steady barrages)
Some Super Star Destroyer's had a single death star laser equipped on them B.D. (Before Disney who know if its still canon)

Quad Gun Turrets for anti squadron
Cluster Bombs for the same

Ordnances include:
Assault Concussion Missiles (designed to destroy shielding faster)
Proton Torpedoes (different types, some designed to bypass shielding some for massive yield)
Others

Electronic counter measures and point defense systems to defend ship from incoming ordinance.

specialized well trained crews

Sun Crusher tech B.D.

Stealth technology and cloaking

standard TIE is superior to standard Imperium navy fighter



Emperor's Guard (not to confused with similar elite guard of the old republic for the Chancellors) we're force sensitive and trained via force for combat only, they wielded staves that were probably like a power maul while not overly powerful. The force speed and strength would be overwhelming.

I'd say a terminator would at least put a dent in them before he fell. certainly a few to half would be soup to the power fist.

The Royal Guard aren't even capable of damaging terminator armor dude. You also don't seem to understand just how fast Space Marines move, because Astartes are speedsters themselves and can pluck supersonic munitions out of the air. A Terminator will be just as fast as the Royal Guard, only single hits from him will instantly kill any Red Guard they hit, same with the Terminator's weapons. Royal Guard armor will certainly not stand up to bolter shots, as even if they somehow fail to penn, the pure kinetic energy of a .75 supersonic mini rocket will turn organs into jello.


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taurising wrote:
On the ship scale thing, this will proly help


So, we can put that to rest now.

As for ground battles..... Storm troopers got beaten by bears with spears. A single SM would wade thru the entire ewok population without thinking about it.

That chart is incorrect and also forgets to incorporate the bigger IOM flagships. Which are in the twenty kilometer ballpark.

(Also for that matter, star forts, which are semi-mobile and sometimes have their own warp drives, and can be the size of continents. These also can be mass produced.)


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 MeanAss_Demasoni wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

Partly to make the jedi/force sensitives look better/cooler, the other major reason is likely because its a waste of resources to make slug-throwers when its only really useful against force sensitives which are a tiny part of the population compared to all the other guys you have to face where blasters are more effective.

Storm Trooper armor doesn't seem to offer any protection against blasters, and even Ewok arrows/slingshots seem to decimate Storm Troopers. So what are blasters better at doing?

Stormtrooper armor is for protection against shrapnel, like real life body armor. It can possibly at least reduce the lethality of a blaster strike to a wounded casualty (we don't know if the guys in the movies are actually dead), but is very good at absorbing shockwaves from explosions. In the new Rebel series we see starfighters running strafing runs near stormtroopers and bombs going off right by them without dying instantly.

 Wyzilla wrote:

The Royal Guard aren't even capable of damaging terminator armor dude. You also don't seem to understand just how fast Space Marines move, because Astartes are speedsters themselves and can pluck supersonic munitions out of the air. A Terminator will be just as fast as the Royal Guard, only single hits from him will instantly kill any Red Guard they hit, same with the Terminator's weapons. Royal Guard armor will certainly not stand up to bolter shots, as even if they somehow fail to penn, the pure kinetic energy of a .75 supersonic mini rocket will turn organs into jello.

What are you basing this on that Terminators can move that fast? Aren't they still limited by the physical constraints of their body/power armor even as enhanced as it might be? Can't the force be used to mess with the power armor too?

 MeanAss_Demasoni wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

The Royal Guard aren't even capable of damaging terminator armor dude. You also don't seem to understand just how fast Space Marines move, because Astartes are speedsters themselves and can pluck supersonic munitions out of the air. A Terminator will be just as fast as the Royal Guard, only single hits from him will instantly kill any Red Guard they hit, same with the Terminator's weapons. Royal Guard armor will certainly not stand up to bolter shots, as even if they somehow fail to penn, the pure kinetic energy of a .75 supersonic mini rocket will turn organs into jello.

What are you basing this on that Terminators can move that fast? Aren't they still limited by the physical constraints of their body/power armor even as enhanced as it might be? Can't the force be used to mess with the power armor too?

Actually I'll to retract that, I was mis-remembering the Blood Gorgon's trilogy when it was the Chaos Lord in PA grabbing bolts and smacking them out of the air, not the Nurglite Lord in terminator armor. Although the armor can't slow them down that much considering Terminators can still duel power armor dressed Astartes wielding power swords without being turned into adamantium wrapped sushi.

But the Royal Guard doesn't even carry weapons that can penetrate power armor, let alone terminator plate, so it isn't much an issue to begin with. Force Pikes won't do anything to power armor as power armor is non-conductive (On Murder Astartes were tanking lightning strikes that vitrified the ground and causes massive craters without any harm, only getting knocked off their feet) and they lack the ability to carve through armor.

tilarium wrote:

Battle over Endor: Rebels get their butts handed to them by the Imperial Fleet.

There are moments when stormtroopers are shown to be badass -the storming of Leia's ship at the beginning of Ep 4 for example, but they're portrayed as less than impressive in subsequent fights, whatever their true abilities in the fluff.

Still that's a good list, very estensive and fair play.

The one thing I'll have to just say "No!" to is the above mention of the space battle at Endor. The Empre outpowered the rebels by 15:1, not including a certain fully armed and operational battle station. Despite that the Rebels managed to incapacitate the Star Dreadnought Executor and take out several accompanying Star Destoyers. That is as much as quoted in Heir to the Empire by Timothy Zahn. In short the empire did woefully considering the forces at thier disposal.

 Psienesis wrote:
They killed Owen and Beru by setting the house on fire. They didn't shoot them, they were blackened corpses on the ground.

Source? All that is known is that they were burned corpses when Luke arrived. I submit that the Empire shot them when they wouldn't tell were Luke was and then burned the corpses along with the homestead.

In most cases the Imperium wins.

The toss up is the Emperor's Guard v the Terminator.

I assume equal martial prowess on a man-to-man basis and force-sensitivity by the EG, The EG are "handpicked from the very best of his forces. Out of millions of soldiers, they are unsurpassed." Sounds kind of like a Marine.

If the EG are Force-sensitives, they would win based on numbers and vibrostaff/force pike technology which is basically the same as a power weapon.

So I'd say the terminator is in pretty big trouble...you can only roll so many 2s.