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I hope these hit eBay. I need the Fist, Bangle, and Dangle.

Looks kinda cool. I honestly have little to no interest in DW or GS cults, but another good board game would be nice. Too bad I'm on a purchasing ban for now.

Picss!! Oh, it's just more marines...Yawn....wake me up when the cult is shown.

 dienekes96 wrote:
Finally, pictures!!! Can't wait to see what interesting and distinct Second and later Founding Chapters they incorporate into the DW team! What a great opportunity to dig a little deeper into their 1000 Chapters and make some cool and unique models and...

Never mind.

Is this REALLY a complaint?
The first founding chapters are entirely distinct in their own ways. Just because they're not some lousy Chapter nobody cares about doesn't mean the models aren't great. I like the Carcharodons Astra as much as the next guy, but they aren't there for a reason!

And what reason would that be?

They just aren't well known and therefore not a good introduction for making the Deathwatch more mainstream, if you will.
You cover the basic founding chapters (all of which ARE distinct despite outcries saying otherwise) and you're good.

Yeah I don't see why that matters. If you've got stacks of different Chapter icons in there, what difference does it make?

Because other chapters wouldn't fall into such convenient niches as: monk, Roman, vampire, and wolfman.

Zwan1One wrote:
The marines look cool but I always thought deathwatch marines were meant to be more subtle than most chapters.

Deathwatch operations, on the whole, are more subtle than that of most Chapters at war.

Marines in general though aren't really subtle. When your preferred method of entry is being hurled from orbit in a bus sized bullet stuffed with a giant rocket so you don't become pancakes when stopping?
Subtlety isn't really an option.

Yes, it is a complaint. I am not asking for the Mortifactors or the Lamentors or the Raptors or the Scions of the Seventh Song (or whatever) to get a Codex or Chapter Tactics. Or even the nice little Upgrade Sprues that the big four got. That makes no sense. The big four are the big four. They will get most of the goodies, as makes solid business sense.

But I remember when Codex: Space Marines had a make your own Chapter rules (4th). I remember when players were encouraged to come up with Chapters of their own for their armies. One of the cool things about the Deathwatch is making a squad up of individuals. Yeah, you might put your favorite chapter in there as well, but overall, your imagination can go a little farther that the cover page.

I'm no serial complainer. My favorite army is the Space Wolves, specifically the 13th Company. Their fluff just got effectively blown to smithereens by Curse of the Wulfen, but that is okay. No big deal. I got some new models out of it, and can work around the rest. I'm usually in here defending GW decisions.

And this isn't a deal breaker. I'll get the set regardless. But I did take math in 5th grade. If there are 1000 chapters, and about 80% of those chapters send a few battle brothers to serve in the Deathwatch, then the odds of a DW Kill Team of ten Marines having 9 First Founding members is about ten quadrillion to one. Even if the FF chapters send ten times as many Marines as later founding so, no more than 1 in 9 Deathwatch Marines will be FF. That is my fluff complaint.

My modeling complaint is that I can very easily build a SW DW Marine. Ditto for the DA and BA. Ultras would have been harder, but the upgrade sprue made that one pretty easy as well. It would be tougher to make a White Scar or Raven Guard. This was a chance to remind everyone that there are dozens of named Chapters for Space Marines formally in the lore (Codex: Armageddon named a bunch, as did earlier SM and UM codices). Make a plastic model for different aesthetic, like the Celestial Lions or the Black Dragons.

To be fair, maybe the eventual plastic kit that was rumored to be coming later this year will create that flexibility. This was a chance for some cool one offs...maybe inspire and motivate the player base. And it is 9 FF Marines plus a Blood Raven.

Like I said, I like the big four just fine, but I am disappointed they didn't spread their wings a bit. Great opportunity to expand and showcase their own fluff, not taken.

Making a boxed game is actually quite a risk for Gw, as can be seen from the massive failure of dead fleet. GW is always trying to make decisions to minimise those risks. That is why every 40k box set has marines in it. That is why the assassins game had old cheap to pruduce cultists. With the new game they are likely trying to appeal to fans of the big four to attract more sales. The joy of plastic is that conversation is easy. Also in the comments on another site lady Atia mentioned that those who wish to make other chapters should wait a while. I guess the rumoured multi part kits will be more generic.

That is a good point, but I think a DW box is going to sell regardless; even before accounting for the Genestealer Cults. It isn't like the FF completists are going to buy it to get that one extra BA Assault Squad Sgt.

If not ten unique Chapters, then use 5 FF Marines and make the other 5 something else to show the potential. Again, if their predicted DW box set addresses this element of the Deathwatch by having a bunch of interesting backpacks and helmets (and right shoulder pads obviously), then no bigs.

People are going to buy this game just for that frag launcher devastator anyway.

I'm with Chuck.

This was an opportunity to make lots of shoulder pads for various Chapters and give us some options. Instead we get more Angels and Ultras.

Sure, there are a few others, but not everything can be first founding. I might grab some of the (many) examples of non-FF Deathwatch Marines from the Deathwatch game to show just how great it would'a been to have various Chapters included rather than just the "popular" ones.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm with Chuck.

This was an opportunity to make lots of shoulder pads for various Chapters and give us some options. Instead we get more Angels and Ultras.

Sure, there are a few others, but not everything can be first founding. I might grab some of the (many) examples of non-FF Deathwatch Marines from the Deathwatch game to show just how great it would'a been to have various Chapters included rather than just the "popular" ones.

I think people need to take a breath and understand that again this is board game first.
This is not designed for adding to your army as a first thought, it is meant to be the exact factions and exact models that are needed to tell the story for the game.
If they choose to release individual models later, as it has been rumored than perhaps more options will be available.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Zwan1One wrote:
The marines look cool but I always thought deathwatch marines were meant to be more subtle than most chapters.

Deathwatch operations, on the whole, are more subtle than that of most Chapters at war.

Marines in general though aren't really subtle. When your preferred method of entry is being hurled from orbit in a bus sized bullet stuffed with a giant rocket so you don't become pancakes when stopping?
Subtlety isn't really an option.

In the RPG my marine players had a Stormraven Gunship and would go in for stealth runs dropped off far from the target to make their way to the target or area of operations. It can be done, but it's not naturally in their MO for most chapters who are amended to the Deathwatch.

Somewhere out there there is a person with a White Dwarf and a camera who is specifically not taking pictures of Hybrids/Cultists.

Doesn't that just drive you crazy???

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Somewhere out there there is a person with a White Dwarf and a camera who is specifically not taking pictures of Hybrids/Cultists.

Doesn't that just drive you crazy???

I am most curious about the board itself. I can imagine what cultists might look like but I want to know what kind of game this is.

I was wondering about that......don't think they'll go with the sapce hulk venue.....maybe the depths of a Hive.....ala Necromunda???

Awesome stuff, can't wait for these Deathwatch marines! Always had an interest in Deathwatch, so this is great.

One question though.. what kind of weapon is the Imperial Fists Devastator using? It doesn't look like a Heavy Bolter, which would make most sense, but something else.. almost like a Frag Cannon, or some sort of alternative to a Psycannon. Anyone know what it is?

I think someone said a few pages back it is a cut-down frag cannon.

 Januine wrote:
I was wondering about that......don't think they'll go with the sapce hulk venue.....maybe the depths of a Hive.....ala Necromunda???

Oh yes, sounds amazing :-) the cultists are likely to be used in Necromunda by myself and if the board can be too - even better!

 Bottle wrote:

 Januine wrote:
I was wondering about that......don't think they'll go with the sapce hulk venue.....maybe the depths of a Hive.....ala Necromunda???

Oh yes, sounds amazing :-) the cultists are likely to be used in Necromunda by myself and if the board can be too - even better!

It sounds absolutely awful.

- Foos Wallet.

 Bottle wrote:

 Januine wrote:
I was wondering about that......don't think they'll go with the sapce hulk venue.....maybe the depths of a Hive.....ala Necromunda???

Oh yes, sounds amazing :-) the cultists are likely to be used in Necromunda by myself and if the board can be too - even better!

That just sounds amazing.

There was a Space Hulk campaign set on Necromunda, as it happens.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 BloodGrin wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
*sigh* Really? Someone had the chance to grab a WD pics and they chose the slightly-different-than-other-Marines Marines rather than the plastic revamp of a cult-classic(pun very much intended) faction from decades ago?

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Or these pics are leaked by GW, and they know the Cultists are the more anticipated models (trying to build more hype).

Spot on. My thoughts exactly. This must be leaked by GW.

With ten individual characters do we guess that this will be 'pick your hero vs the game' rather than Space Hulk-esque?

Space Hulk also has individual characters though.

I'm putting my money on a hive as the setting, maybe dual/multi levels, mission based skirmishing boxed set.

 Mymearan wrote:
Space Hulk also has individual characters though.

But ultimately they weren't very important to the game. It's not as if they had special abilities unique to each character (Librarian notwithstanding).

I thought the whole point of the Deathwatch was that you were subsumed into the chapter for the duration of your service and that the only remnant of your "home" chapter was your weapons (Maybe) and one shoulder badge.

Guess that all been scrubbed then.........

This seems to be bunch of different marines get hired in the local pub and go adventuring together.

Sad no pics of something new - ie NOT marines for the self fulfilling prophecy of Marines sell because we mostly make marines, so lets make more Marines..