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 the_Armyman wrote:
Exactly 5 people are buying this as a boardgame. I took a worldwide survey, and those were the numbers I got. The other 45,329 people are purchasing this for 40K. 40K. The game that makes all these other experiments like AOS and boutique boardgames possible. Wouldn't you prefer for $165, that this boxed set contained rules for 40K instead of some foreign cardstock filler? A 48 page campaign booklet with the full rules included (not another $8 and two issues of WD over 2 weeks)?

If I seem angry, it's because people don't seem to get this. Except for the 5 people I've already mentioned (all of whom will chime in on this thread and let me know how wrong I am), this is a 40K release. A 40K release that a lot of you seem okay to believe is a boardgame because you're paying for cardboard tiles and 3 pages of game rules.

Space Hulk was a boardgame. A good one, with game pieces that could be used in 40K. This is a sham.

The 40k rules are also gonna be free on the website. And there are issues with using the Space Hulk models in 40k (they don't fit on bases very easily for example).

 the_Armyman wrote:
Exactly 5 people are buying this as a boardgame. I took a worldwide survey, and those were the numbers I got. The other 45,329 people are purchasing this for 40K. 40K. The game that makes all these other experiments like AOS and boutique boardgames possible. Wouldn't you prefer for $165, that this boxed set contained rules for 40K instead of some foreign cardstock filler? A 48 page campaign booklet with the full rules included (not another $8 and two issues of WD over 2 weeks)?

If I seem angry, it's because people don't seem to get this. Except for the 5 people I've already mentioned (all of whom will chime in on this thread and let me know how wrong I am), this is a 40K release. A 40K release that a lot of you seem okay to believe is a boardgame because you're paying for cardboard tiles and 3 pages of game rules.

Space Hulk was a boardgame. A good one, with game pieces that could be used in 40K. This is a sham.

I'll repeat myself, since YOU don't seem to get it.

But it's both. There will be rules for using the models in 40k for those that don't want a board game and there is a board game for those that don't play 40k and both for people that want both.

Just like Betrayal at Calth.


As for me, I might snag the Imperial Fist guy off of ebay and stick him in a tactical squad as heavy bolter guy.

Tiles look awesome close up! Looks like more could be connected to make a bigger board too. I plan to buy extra tiles if the game proves good ;-)

I don't know if you've got Space Hulk tiles Bottle, it looks like you could certainly use them for this.

 gorgon wrote:

 kronk wrote:
You come across as a bitter, angry person in your posts. The kind I avoid at parties and pubs.

You must go to different kind of parties than me.

I think I'd be a BIG HIT if I could tell people that this one time on a toy soldier message board that there were these really cool figures that everyone liked but I said whoa everyone these guys are expensive and then they said no they're not and I say they are too and what's more I don't know what they're for and the company is dumb but people still didn't like that until later when some people weren't as happy about everything regarding the really cool figures and that vindicated me but not really.

Right, more insults. Rather than have the maturity to ignore my comments if you don't like them, we need to belittle. I can guarantee that if I had made some of the comments that others have made in this thread, I would have gotten my polite warning from a mod PM by now.

As for the takeaway on my comments: this has nothing to do with price. If that's the message you're getting, then I really can't help you understand things more clearly.

 the_Armyman wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 kronk wrote:
You come across as a bitter, angry person in your posts. The kind I avoid at parties and pubs.

You must go to different kind of parties than me.

I think I'd be a BIG HIT if I could tell people that this one time on a toy soldier message board that there were these really cool figures that everyone liked but I said whoa everyone these guys are expensive and then they said no they're not and I say they are too and what's more I don't know what they're for and the company is dumb but people still didn't like that until later when some people weren't as happy about everything regarding the really cool figures and that vindicated me but not really.

Right, more insults. Rather than have the maturity to ignore my comments if you don't like them, we need to belittle. I can guarantee that if I had made some of the comments that others have made in this thread, I would have gotten my polite warning from a mod PM by now.

As for the takeaway on my comments: this has nothing to do with price. If that's the message you're getting, then I really can't help you understand things more clearly.

It was about price a few pages ago. You're absolutely right though; nobody has any idea what you're on about. Now, you could assume as you've evidently chosen to that's because literally everybody else is just too thick to grasp your masterful logic, or...

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I don't know if you've got Space Hulk tiles Bottle, it looks like you could certainly use them for this.

Unfortunately, I never got Space Hulk (maybe next time around!), but these tiles still look great, especially if there is potential to grow the board even bigger.

And to fall into the conversation of this thread - there is a demographic of non-40k player that this boardgame appeals to, and that's people like me - an ex-40k player who would love to get back into it but is put off by the total cost of the rules and the cost of putting together a standard pick up game size army.

Here I get a full set, with beautiful miniatures from a super cool faction (GS Cult) - I get tiles and rules for a game to play out the box - as the Genestealer cult are "faceless" the game feels like a replayable dungeon crawler (like Space Hulk) with room for expansion. Lastly, as I still play Necromunda the Genestealer cult is perfect, but again, the tiles will make for some great scenarios too using the Necromunda/second edition rules!

Cannot wait to swoop in and pick up more tiles for a bargain price hopefully ;-)

There are plenty of people who will get this because it's a board game - me included.

Please stop the groundhog day conversation about it now :(

Plus plenty of us who will just be buying it to own and (plan to) paint the minis......

..

The tiles... hmm... there are 8 of them, they don't interlock, but they appear to make a 2x4 board, which is an odd shape.

And there are no squares on them, so you have to measure everything, which I think is a bad idea for a game like this.

So yeah, they could be good, but better if you have 16 of them to make a 4x4 board.

Looks like there may be "zones" of grating that act like squares.

rules for Jensus Natorian:

Jensus Natorian 95 points
5 4 4 1 2 4 2 10 3+

Bolt pistol
Force Sword
Frag/Krak grenades
Special Ammo
Psychic hood ( I think, its called Psimatrix in german)

And they shall know no fear
Psyker (ML 2, Biomancy only)
Independent Character

He and Cassius both have special ammunition on their bolt pistols:
Dragonfire: 12", S4, AP5, pistol, ignores cover
Hellfire: 12", S1, AP5, pistol, poison (2+)
Kraken: 15", S4, AP4, pistol
Vengeance: 6", S4, AP3, pistol, gets hot! (thx Kanluwen) (NOTE: could be 9", its super blury)

EDIT: source

They just seem oddly designed. Lots of corridor grating and tiny rooms that don't appear to serve any purpose. The rooms in Space Hulk all appeared to serve some sort of ship function. These don't.

I did see what looked like a Patriarch throne room, so that's nice.

Gets Hot.

Special Issue Ammunition is in the Space Marine Codex. The last one is "Vengeance" rounds.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They just seem oddly designed. Lots of corridor grating and tiny rooms that don't appear to serve any purpose. The rooms in Space Hulk all appeared to serve some sort of ship function. These don't.

I did see what looked like a Patriarch throne room, so that's nice.

Well, this isn't a ship, it is a mine turned Genestealer house.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The tiles... hmm... there are 8 of them, they don't interlock, but they appear to make a 2x4 board, which is an odd shape.

And there are no squares on them, so you have to measure everything, which I think is a bad idea for a game like this.

So yeah, they could be good, but better if you have 16 of them to make a 4x4 board.

They have those rectangular spaces instead of squares so they can include the bike. I guess it taking two spaces was more confusing than limiting themselves to really strangely shaped board sections?

 the_Armyman wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 kronk wrote:
You come across as a bitter, angry person in your posts. The kind I avoid at parties and pubs.

You must go to different kind of parties than me.

I think I'd be a BIG HIT if I could tell people that this one time on a toy soldier message board that there were these really cool figures that everyone liked but I said whoa everyone these guys are expensive and then they said no they're not and I say they are too and what's more I don't know what they're for and the company is dumb but people still didn't like that until later when some people weren't as happy about everything regarding the really cool figures and that vindicated me but not really.

Right, more insults. Rather than have the maturity to ignore my comments if you don't like them, we need to belittle. I can guarantee that if I had made some of the comments that others have made in this thread, I would have gotten my polite warning from a mod PM by now.

As for the takeaway on my comments: this has nothing to do with price. If that's the message you're getting, then I really can't help you understand things more clearly.

You really are an over aggressive little flower. I'm another that is buying this as a boardgame. The minis are cool, and I don't play 40k as it's full of (from my local meta) people only taking optimised lists that suck the fun out of a game, or angry children that don't understand this hobby is meant to be fun.

Also, stop with the flame bait victim act, it's rather pathetic.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Gets Hot.

Special Issue Ammunition is in the Space Marine Codex. The last one is "Vengeance" rounds.

thanks, updated, also I made a typo for his initiative, its 4, not 1...

He seems better than cassius for the points, 3 powers from biomancy + force is pretty nice.

Jensus Natorian + Squad Donatus as 270 point allies is gonna be pretty decent I think!

What are Dragonfire rounds? Just incendiaries?

Yes, it looks like lots was done to accommodate the bike.

Almost makes you wonder why they didn't, y'know, not include a bike lol.

Still, the tiles look cool to me. I would have preferred Space Hulk style modular corridor sections, but with the minitures alone being woth £100 in my eyes, these tiles look like a great addition too.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
What are Dragonfire rounds? Just incendiaries?

More like shredder rounds, they destroy/penetrate cover. Hellfire rounds would be more like incendiaries I think.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
What are Dragonfire rounds? Just incendiaries?

Fluffwise, Dragonfire Bolts are Boltgun rounds that are hollow shells filled with superheated gas that explodes and saturate foes concealed in cover.
Kraken Bolts are bolts with an adamantine core and improved propellant to penetrate thick hides, even at extreme range.
Hellfire Rounds douse their targets in voracious acids.
Vengeance Rounds employ unstable flux core technology that makes them hazardous to use but extremely effective against armoured targets(there was a fluff blurb at one point about them being designed for killing Traitor Astartes).

 the_Armyman wrote:

As for the takeaway on my comments: this has nothing to do with price. If that's the message you're getting, then I really can't help you understand things more clearly.

I honestly assumed you think the value of the product isn't sufficient to you. From what you just said I believe instead you simply want a different product?

Instead of a "40k themed board game" you basically want a miniature box set of the same (model) content plus a campaign book "DW vs GSC", something like the Montka or Kauyon campaign books, as a bundle for the same price as DW:Overkill and your disappointment stems from the fact that it isn't that but just a board game with a few pages of lackluster (read: not powerful and not especially interesting) rules for 40k, right?

I'd say that sure, for a pure 40k player that would have been the better deal - but just because something could be even better doesn't mean that if it's less than perfect it's immediately classified as garbage or a "transparent cashgrab".
If you like the miniatures and think the price for THEM alone is OK - why not simply be happy about that? Yes, you can always ask for more, but isn't the box - in this case - a pretty sweet thing already?

You're coming off as one of those people that simply can't stand it if it's not EXACTLY as they wanted and the execution has to be PERFECT. When WoW finally announced Dual-Specs I thought "I bet people will find a way to complain about" and there they were - threads saying "it's stupid, I need 4 specs! No, I need 8 specs! Why can't I switch in combat? Blizzard sucks!" instead of appreciating the feature they just gained.

 Bottle wrote:
Yes, it looks like lots was done to accommodate the bike.

Almost makes you wonder why they didn't, y'know, not include a bike lol.

Because a White Scar without a Bike would be like a Raven Guard without a Jump Pack?

Each of them has something "signature" about them. It makes them something that will be desired even by those with no interest in the game, as you can likely swap out the Deathwatch shoulder pad for a plain old one and still have a gorgeous model--especially as plastic stand-ins for existing Finecast characters(looking at you, Not-Shrike model! I mean really, he even has the little grenade dispenser on his jump pack!).

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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
Yes, it looks like lots was done to accommodate the bike.

Almost makes you wonder why they didn't, y'know, not include a bike lol.

Because a White Scar without a Bike would be like a Raven Guard without a Jump Pack?

Each of them has something "signature" about them. It makes them something that will be desired even by those with no interest in the game, as you can likely swap out the Deathwatch shoulder pad for a plain old one and still have a gorgeous model--especially as plastic stand-ins for existing Finecast characters(looking at you, Not-Shrike model! I mean really, he even has the little grenade dispenser on his jump pack!).

Don't even have to remove it, some Deathwatch members keep their silver shoulder pad and arm and just paint their armor back to their chapters color when they return to their chapter.

Was going to say, Hellfire rounds were developed to tackle Tyranids. Hadn't heard of Dragonfire until now.


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 M0ff3l wrote:
Don't even have to remove it, some Deathwatch members keep their silver shoulder pad and arm and just paint their armor back to their chapters color when they return to their chapter.

Must be nice for guys in black armour. Only need to repaint the pauldron and the arm lol.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
Yes, it looks like lots was done to accommodate the bike.

Almost makes you wonder why they didn't, y'know, not include a bike lol.

Because a White Scar without a Bike would be like a Raven Guard without a Jump Pack?

Each of them has something "signature" about them. It makes them something that will be desired even by those with no interest in the game, as you can likely swap out the Deathwatch shoulder pad for a plain old one and still have a gorgeous model--especially as plastic stand-ins for existing Finecast characters(looking at you, Not-Shrike model! I mean really, he even has the little grenade dispenser on his jump pack!).

Ultimately they went with these characters because they come from the fiction, so it representational. That's the danger of them being to fixated on stereotyping of Chapters... Raven Guard from their fluff could just as easily be a Scout with a stalker pattern bolter. I'm sure GW could have come up with something for White Scars' character if they thought about.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
Yes, it looks like lots was done to accommodate the bike.

Almost makes you wonder why they didn't, y'know, not include a bike lol.

Because a White Scar without a Bike would be like a Raven Guard without a Jump Pack?

Each of them has something "signature" about them. It makes them something that will be desired even by those with no interest in the game, as you can likely swap out the Deathwatch shoulder pad for a plain old one and still have a gorgeous model--especially as plastic stand-ins for existing Finecast characters(looking at you, Not-Shrike model! I mean really, he even has the little grenade dispenser on his jump pack!).

Sure, it's a nice model - and a white scar is born in the saddle of a bike, but there are 999 other chapters to choose from when selecting a Deathwatch team to infiltrate a crampt mine network. Still, this isn't a big complaint at all - I love the set and am so excited to get it. :-)