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Got my first end of the year bonus this year at work, and I want to put some of it toward a Stormsurge. This will be my first really big model from GW, and I'm wondering if it's worth the cost monetarily and point-wise. I think it'd just be an awesome model to see on the table. Maybe go up against an army with an IK for fun.

Thanks

SG

EDIT: Just an FYI, I do have a Tau army, so I won't be running the Stormsurge as an Ally. It'll be running as part of my Tau army.

I'd say so.

It fills a void against high AV / toughness (D weapons) and CC (Stomps)

The Ta'unar is strictly better, but you might not get as many games, not to mention price.

Short answer, from what I've seen and heard, is an emphatic 'yes'

Give it EWO, a shield generator, pay for the large blast str 10 ap2 ordnance gun (the other one is too short range to be useful) and buff it with markerlights.

It's expensive, but it's pretty damned good.

Being a fan of the older Tau fluff, the Stormsurge is an ugly abomination that goes against basically all the fluff of Tau preferring small and "practical" designs over building sized robots. It doesn't really look like a Tau unit but something that belongs in battletech plus its open topped cockpit is Imperium levels of dumb design (again Tau prefer practical over stupid design... at least they use to).

That being said it is a crazy powerful unit and its damage potential is nuts. It actually is extremely good in close combat with its stomping and has good mobility. The Stormsurge is what is going to elevate Tau to be a top tier army. Its well worth the points but its money value is entirely up to you and what you think its worth.

I concur, the Stormsurge is worth it. Its a beast. I might be in the minirity in preferring the D-cannon shotgun to the artillery piece, but I play mostly GK and IK, so enjoy roflstomping at close range.

SJ

Having faced two at a tournament this week... its a beast. I was playing against the 'short range' D-shotgun version, WITH the 'nerfed' ruling that GMC's can only fire 2 weapons, and it was still downright rude.
It's fast, durable, very capable in combat against non-D-weapon superheavies. With its D-missiles it can fairly reliably take down enemy superheavies at range. With cheap 4+ invulnerable and 5+ FNP it's resistant to most damage...

yeah. It's very good.

Trasvi wrote:
Having faced two at a tournament this week... its a beast. I was playing against the 'short range' D-shotgun version, WITH the 'nerfed' ruling that GMC's can only fire 2 weapons, and it was still downright rude.
It's fast, durable, very capable in combat against non-D-weapon superheavies. With its D-missiles it can fairly reliably take down enemy superheavies at range. With cheap 4+ invulnerable and 5+ FNP it's resistant to most damage...

yeah. It's very good.

I don't know if id call 50 points "cheap"

Yes, it is worth it, but do keep in mind that if you want to full power of this unit, it NEEDS ML support (yes, all Tau units need ML support, but the Stormsurge really does). It's only BS3, which while not a huge problem for the blast weapons, really hurts the super missile pod, the blastcannon D shot, and the destroyer missiles. And of course there's the fact that the Destroyer missiles only become D with a ML, otherwise they're just seeker missiles with AP1. I honestly believe that this guy needs a dedicated ML unit just for him to keep him buffed. If you're running a Hunter Contingent, it's not as important cause you have CF to share MLs, but outside of that, yeah he needs either Pathfinders, Drones, or Tetras dedicated to supporting him.

As for how to run him, I have 2 ideas for it, at least how I would do it. Certainly give him a Shield Gen, probably EWO too, no matter what. You can spare the 50 points to give your LoW an invuln save. After that, it depends on how many you run in a unit. A solo SS I would give the Driver Cannon, the long range S10 AP2 large blast is far more reliable than the shotgun. If you are running two, either in a unit or separate, then I would take the blastcannons, as you have enough ablative wounds plus potentially multiple targets that your SS will be able to get into D range relatively unscathed. Personal preference dictates, but that's what I'd do.

And I might be in the minority here, but I actually like the look. It looks like a utilitarian design. It's a new battlesuit (ok, ballistic suit) that's meant to replace or at least fill the role of artillery and tanks like Hammerheads (the pilots for Stormsurges are even taken from the tank academy for the fire caste). For something like that, a cannon on the shoulder and missile pods on the side make sense, while arms kinda don't. They might look better, but they wouldn't really serve a functional purpose. I do agree the open cockpit is silly, but that's my only complaint looks-wise.

notredameguy10 wrote:

Trasvi wrote:
Having faced two at a tournament this week... its a beast. I was playing against the 'short range' D-shotgun version, WITH the 'nerfed' ruling that GMC's can only fire 2 weapons, and it was still downright rude.
It's fast, durable, very capable in combat against non-D-weapon superheavies. With its D-missiles it can fairly reliably take down enemy superheavies at range. With cheap 4+ invulnerable and 5+ FNP it's resistant to most damage...

yeah. It's very good.

I don't know if id call 50 points "cheap"

For the amount of additional durability that it gives your Stormsurge, shield generator is a no-brainer at 50pts. SS should never leave home without one. Considering that most things attempting to hurt you will be grav/plasma/melta/thunderhammers, doubling your durability against those weapons is huge.

Trasvi wrote:
Having faced two at a tournament this week... its a beast. I was playing against the 'short range' D-shotgun version, WITH the 'nerfed' ruling that GMC's can only fire 2 weapons, and it was still downright rude.
It's fast, durable, very capable in combat against non-D-weapon superheavies. With its D-missiles it can fairly reliably take down enemy superheavies at range. With cheap 4+ invulnerable and 5+ FNP it's resistant to most damage...

yeah. It's very good.

I have to question the competitiveness of your local.
Even with the shield generator, it's still T6 3+/4++,it dies to spam shots.
And with mere 2 guns, he does not posses a firepower grade that isn't normal.

He's good. But nothing special compared to knights, and when it has shooting nerf he isn't even that.

I was not too keen on the look of it at first, but then I saw the pic of three of them "running", and OMG did they look awesome!

SJ

Yes, Stormsurge is good. I rather a Ta'unar for both effectiveness and looks, but the SS is a good contender for the LoW slot - much more effective than any of our SH Flyers.

Get 2

No, because no one is going to "let" you use it anyway, let alone fething two of them. If you really wanna blow $300 on two really expensive paperweights though, then by my guest.

 Sidstyler wrote:
No, because no one is going to "let" you use it anyway, let alone fething two of them. If you really wanna blow $300 on two really expensive paperweights though, then by my guest.

The game has changed. SS is a normal model in the army. If someone wants to use one then they are perfectly allowed to. If you are going to cry about it you may need to find a new game.

Or do what my group does. Nerf em. So that they cry

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Or do what my group does. Nerf em. So that they cry

I feel sorry if the only way you are able to beat tau is if you illegally nerf their army.

notredameguy10 wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Or do what my group does. Nerf em. So that they cry

I feel sorry if the only way you are able to beat tau is if you illegally nerf their army.

Using grey Knights, imperial Knights, inquisition, skitarii, cult mech, and Tempestus, I can beat tau just fine. However, if we disagree on something and he sees it another way, such as the tau players on here, we usually make him play as we see it, not him.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

notredameguy10 wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Or do what my group does. Nerf em. So that they cry

I feel sorry if the only way you are able to beat tau is if you illegally nerf their army.

Using grey Knights, imperial Knights, inquisition, skitarii, cult mech, and Tempestus, I can beat tau just fine. However, if we disagree on something and he sees it another way, such as the tau players on here, we usually make him play as we see it, not him.

Gotcha, so you guys all team up on him and force him to play it the way you want and not how it actually should be. Got it.

 Sidstyler wrote:
No, because no one is going to "let" you use it anyway, let alone fething two of them. If you really wanna blow $300 on two really expensive paperweights though, then by my guest.

lolwut?

notredameguy10 wrote:


Gotcha, so you guys all team up on him and force him to play it the way you want and not how it actually should be. Got it.

Considering how this guy was going on and on in the FLG stream chat the other night, I'm sure he's just a pleasure to play against regardless of what army you run

Anyway, on the main topic - 1 Stormsurge is "good", but 2 is dramatically better. On it's own, with a 3+ and only T6 a single Stormsurge will drop very quickly to massed bolterfire/grav/ass cans/etc... When you've got 2, chances are you're splitting the wounds taken across the two guys simply based on the location of the fire, and also allocating wounds as desired at initiative step in CC. It ends up being an enormous chunk of your force (~900 points), but it definitely covers a lot of the same firepower you'd get at that point cost, as well as durability, CC ability, and mobility.

I can definitely see how some folks would not necessarily enjoy playing against 2 of them, so maybe stick with 1 if you're playing with a more casual group, but for anything competitive I think 2 is definitely the way to go and are damn near an auto-include unless you're running massive Riptide spam with Mont'Ka.

 Vankraken wrote:
Being a fan of the older Tau fluff, the Stormsurge is an ugly abomination that goes against basically all the fluff of Tau preferring small and "practical" designs over building sized robots. It doesn't really look like a Tau unit but something that belongs in battletech plus its open topped cockpit is Imperium levels of dumb design (again Tau prefer practical over stupid design... at least they use to).

That being said it is a crazy powerful unit and its damage potential is nuts. It actually is extremely good in close combat with its stomping and has good mobility. The Stormsurge is what is going to elevate Tau to be a top tier army. Its well worth the points but its money value is entirely up to you and what you think its worth.

Agreed, on both points.


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notredameguy10 wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

notredameguy10 wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Or do what my group does. Nerf em. So that they cry

I feel sorry if the only way you are able to beat tau is if you illegally nerf their army.

Using grey Knights, imperial Knights, inquisition, skitarii, cult mech, and Tempestus, I can beat tau just fine. However, if we disagree on something and he sees it another way, such as the tau players on here, we usually make him play as we see it, not him.

Gotcha, so you guys all team up on him and force him to play it the way you want and not how it actually should be. Got it.

Just put him on ignore, everybody. He's an anti-tau troll, nothing more.

I second the comment that said taking two is better.

I generally apply that to anything really, bar unique and relic vehicles

Ass my brother plays tau he believes if he uses one he will be tfg and people will not be getting any games

Shouldn't a player be judged on their personality rather than their list?


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 ServiceGames wrote:
Got my first end of the year bonus this year at work, and I want to put some of it toward a Stormsurge. This will be my first really big model from GW, and I'm wondering if it's worth the cost monetarily and point-wise. I think it'd just be an awesome model to see on the table. Maybe go up against an army with an IK for fun.

Thanks

SG

EDIT: Just an FYI, I do have a Tau army, so I won't be running the Stormsurge as an Ally. It'll be running as part of my Tau army.

I feel personally that it functions pretty well as an anchor for your forces. It's a massive fire magnet so many of your smaller suits and units survive since the stormsurge can't realistically be ignored.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal but I went up against a unit of two Stormsurges and hit them with at least 30 twin linked Grav Shots and 2-3 melta weapons and did 5 wounds due to it's 4++ and 5+ FNP. I would say ALWAYS bring the 50 pt invul save.

They should but

1) certain armies have a reputation that triggers bad reactions from people
2) taking good lists can label you as tfg, because the phrase is tossed around at will these days

 Kimchi Gamer wrote:
Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal but I went up against a unit of two Stormsurges and hit them with at least 30 twin linked Grav Shots and 2-3 melta weapons and did 5 wounds due to it's 4++ and 5+ FNP. I would say ALWAYS bring the 50 pt invul save.

Yeah, the 4++ is an absolute must, especially with the new White Scars Ignores Cover thingy.

 Frozocrone wrote:
They should but

1) certain armies have a reputation that triggers bad reactions from people
2) taking good lists can label you as tfg, because the phrase is tossed around at will these days

Yeah I ve noticed a trend of TFG == Person I don't like. Or the person labelling another as TFG is one themself.

Depending on how casual your gaming group may be, a Stormsurge may be too much. I am already an advanced player amongst new and old players who bawk at the sight at the new GMC. I am relegated to leaving it at home to await the next tournament. :/

Money -> No way. 120 euro for a single "new heavy support" model, you should never pay 40 euro per sprue.
nts -> Yes it is the big next thing. It is sturdy, relative cheap and dead killy what more do you want ?