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I was brought to the thought of how often have I seen slaanesh lately on the table, which is very little to be honest. I hardly hear about anyone taking any slaanesh units anymore, a few months back I saw an interesting CD list with slaanesh and nurgle on the list thread, and today I noticed someone mention slaanesh CSM but really that's about it. The only slaanesh thing I run is chosen with the MoS and banner of excess as a melee unit and primarily that's to get abbodon feel no pain, to top that off that's only when I feel like running "fun" games.

Anyone still running some slaanesh? Any shining stars amongst slaanesh CSM and CD units?

Slaanesh will be prevalent among Marine Heavy Metas, as striking before other marines with power weapons is almost a guaranteed win between similar units. Slaanesh Warp Talons are the best example, they are likely to gut a Marine unit before they strike. The problem lies in their niche role, against Dark/Craftworlds Eldar the melee units still strike before or the sane time and against orks and neurons an guard it wouldn't of mattered Anyhow. This makes all Slaanesh lists simply inefficient due to the mark only being useful in niche circumstance

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Slaanesh will be prevalent among Marine Heavy Metas, as striking before other marines with power weapons is almost a guaranteed win between similar units. Slaanesh Warp Talons are the best example, they are likely to gut a Marine unit before they strike. The problem lies in their niche role, against Dark/Craftworlds Eldar the melee units still strike before or the sane time and against orks and neurons an guard it wouldn't of mattered Anyhow. This makes all Slaanesh lists simply inefficient due to the mark only being useful in niche circumstance

Makes sense, kind of a shame though. While all the slaanesh models need updated or flat out redone, I do find them to have interesting rules, fluff, and concepts....minus the whole one boob thing (personally the daemons should have all been done as female)

Slaanesh has probably the best overall units in the Chaos Demon codex imo. Demonettes are the pick of the bunch in the troop slot (outside of specific uses for Pink Horrors as Warp Charge batteries), Seekers of Slaanesh are a perfectly viable Fast Attack choice, Slaanesh marked Soul Grinders and Demon Princes are solid choices and you can even make a case for the Hellflayer/Seeker Chariots (think of all those rending Hammer of Wrath hits lol).

About the only 'bad' choices are the Keeper of Secrets (since its a melee MC that only has a 6" move, though the extra run distance helps) and the Fiend of Slaanesh (however all the Elite choices in the Demon codex are bad, so that doesn't really say much).

Slaanesh daemon princes from chaos daemons codex with the lash of despair, greater reward, wings and armour rolling on biomancy gets 2 d6 str 9 ap - bs6 shots at 12". Best anti air in the codex. Probably best fething anti tank in the codex.

Invisible seekerstar can be nasty, especially in low points games.

Wish I had the money to try a fiendstar, as I think they could be good as well with the right buffing (Grimoire, cursed earth, invisibility, endurance, and Locus of beguilement) but their models are seriously absurdly priced. Cost alot points wise too.

the problem is that marines are heavily punished by other things these days like the amount of ap3-ap2 guns and the raw amount of cheap ap4 and 5 high strength gunfire (anything over s5-6) that you can just buy in bulk.

slaneesh is meant as a counter to normal marines should they ever become ungodly powerful in their codex but that hasnt happened ever since the arms race in 40k shooting got out of fething hand

It's not the most competitive thing in the world but for CSM:
Slaanesh Lord on Bike with Power Fist and Lightning claw. Riding with a unit of Slaanesh Bikers - champion having the same loadout - with Icon of Excess. This is an incredibly expensive combo, but it hurts like all hell.
Slaanesh Sorcerers are also very good support units, take them on Bikes to give +1T and speed. I actually think Slaanesh has the est Psychic powers in the book.
Noise Marines with all the Blast-Masters you can take in Rhinos with Havoc Launchers.
Slaanesh Chosen are also pretty powerful, if expensive.
Sonic Dreadnoughts also hurt like hell.
Slaanesh Terminators are actually good for something more than the regular suicide unit they tend to be when you give them FnP.
Not much in terms of Slaanesh-specific Heavy Support so just take your usual Predator, Landraider, Defiler or what have you and roll with that.

And for Daemons:
Seekers are dead quick and incredibly scary.
Daemonettes are actually pretty badass.
Daemon Princes are pretty much death on a platter.
Chariots are okay, but highly situational.

Slaanesh is actually one of the most underrated and underestimated armies in the game, because they can be very powerful when used right.

I try to participate in a monthly ITC style tournament. I keep looking at my all Slaanesh Daemon army with thoughts of breaking it out but I have yet to pull the trigger for fear of not being competitive enough. The local meta runs plenty of IKs so it's hard to compensate. Granted, I could run away from them without much difficulty, but running away isn't the most enjoyable decision to make.

I do have to say Slaanesh has a definite role in the meta now that the new Hunter Contingent came out. Of all the armies Slaanesh is the best equipped to nerf a gunline, especially one with multiple units engaging in Overwatch. The Discipline of Excess is incredibly potent against shooty armies. Fielding the Masque is also a bonus but taking advantage of all the goodies does require the army to field Heralds, as well. I wish Slaanesh was allowed to count the Masque as a Herald for the purposes of filling one FOC HQ slot with it and three Heralds (not clear why it wasn't allowed to do so...) as that would make the options much more competitive. But the speed factor coupled with Psychic shenanigans means there's still a small place for them. Just not as great as it could be.

Nobody's nentioned noise marines: one of like 3 half-decent units in CSM right now.

Slaanesh Soul Grinders are where it's at.

When playing CSM, yep, Slaanesh is where it's at for me. Noise marines are wonderful.
I usually go for MSU Blastmasters. Best i've done? 14x5man Noise Marine Squads with a blastmaster each and two naked MoS lords.

Also love the Sonic Blasters when I'm up against an offensive army. The look on the opponents face when a normal marine squad unleash 60 S4ap5 shots with IC is quite fun.

For a normal list though I often go for 2-4 BM squads supported by 4-6 walkers, some spawn and a bikerlord.

I always run daemonettes in my CD army as troops the rending just makes them badass, their movement is also really great, i want to build a wall of seekers though since they always seem to make back their points in droves.

 Solosam47 wrote:
I was brought to the thought of how often have I seen slaanesh lately on the table, which is very little to be honest. I hardly hear about anyone taking any slaanesh units anymore, a few months back I saw an interesting CD list with slaanesh and nurgle on the list thread, and today I noticed someone mention slaanesh CSM but really that's about it. The only slaanesh thing I run is chosen with the MoS and banner of excess as a melee unit and primarily that's to get abbodon feel no pain, to top that off that's only when I feel like running "fun" games.

Anyone still running some slaanesh? Any shining stars amongst slaanesh CSM and CD units?

Maybe cause there's been nothing new for csm/daremons in like a year or so?

Indeed.

There's nothing wrong with slaaneshi daemons - all assault units have an uphill battle, but slaaneshi daemons are cheap, move quick, have an invulnerable save, can't be pinned or broken by ranged attacks and have lots of high WS rending attacks.

Add in the fact that they have lots of cheap psykers with access to one of the best disciplines in the game (invisibility) and you have an extremely powerful army. Even the Keeper Of Secrets - who is, as noted, slow - isn't bad because he comes with deep strike built in and he's cheap enough to be almost expendable.

I got some Slaaneshi daemons on the cheap awhile ago. Not a full army mind you but they make interesting allies for my Tau. I generally take a herald of Slaanesh with exalted reward (grimoire of true names), lesser locus of grace and steed of Slaanesh attached to 20 seekers of Slaanesh and take 20 daemonettes as the mandatory troops. Throws a lot of players game plans right off. I guess they are not used to Tau having cheap, fast, versatile assault units to help maintain board control and counter assault their forward elements. I find it great fun!

 chalkobob wrote:
I got some Slaaneshi daemons on the cheap awhile ago. Not a full army mind you but they make interesting allies for my Tau. I generally take a herald of Slaanesh with exalted reward (grimoire of true names), lesser locus of grace and steed of Slaanesh attached to 20 seekers of Slaanesh and take 20 daemonettes as the mandatory troops.

Maybe add a Slaanesh Soul Grinder, or a Daemon Prince or two, and a few more Daemonettes and you'll be rolling in it.

Slaanesh is incredibly useful, however, he is presently outshined by Khorne and Nurgle right now.
However, I have often toyed with the idea of starting a Slaaneshi army. To be honest, If GW made a two new Daemonkin codexes, one of Tzeentch and one of Slaanesh, I'd take the one of Slaanesh.

 TheManWithNoPlan wrote:

 chalkobob wrote:
I got some Slaaneshi daemons on the cheap awhile ago. Not a full army mind you but they make interesting allies for my Tau. I generally take a herald of Slaanesh with exalted reward (grimoire of true names), lesser locus of grace and steed of Slaanesh attached to 20 seekers of Slaanesh and take 20 daemonettes as the mandatory troops.

Maybe add a Slaanesh Soul Grinder, or a Daemon Prince or two, and a few more Daemonettes and you'll be rolling in it.

The problem is, I like having some board control, and as a Tau player having some close combat elements avoids many of the "The Tau only have one (boring) phase" complaints I occasionally receive, but it comes at a price. For one, it does reduce my shooting, if I spend too many points on Daemons I can find my self in the awkward position of being out shot by certain armies, which as a Tau player I'm not all that used to (except against Eldar but c'est la vie). Second, as come the apocalypse allies, deployment can get tricky, the seekers can outflank so that helps mitigate this somewhat, leaving only the daemonettes to worry about deploying. Too many daemons, especially with ranged ones like soul grinders (which will be back with a lot of my ranged Tau elements), makes the come the apocalypse penalties really punishing. Have been tempted to expand though and have thought about picking up a prince but we'll see.

I've been very slowly building up a Slaanesh Daemonkin army, and this topic is very reassuring.
Question though, in terms of durability/punch, is there much difference between including CSM and not?

Also should I just quietly put my KoS at the bottom of the pile, or is that thing useful?

Get it into combat and it will feth things up. I used to run mine with a greater ether blade, greater reward and lesser reward. If it gets invisibility, it can live long enough to do some damage.

I've had them kill avatars of khaine with the eternal blade before and no psychic buffs.

Biggest problem is it only gets to move 6". Find a way to make that not a problem and it's a good unit. Also, avoid charging through cover at all costs. I 10 is incredible against some dedicated cc units, even if they charge you you get to swing at the same time as hammer of wrath attacks.

They die very easily to shooting if they get caught out of position, like almost any slaanesh unit. If it was allowed to move 12" like a beast, at the same points cost, it would be a good choice.

Ah hell, I've got the giant resin FW version, that is like a beacon for attention, only moving 6" is indeed ridiculous.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
I've been very slowly building up a Slaanesh Daemonkin army, and this topic is very reassuring.
Question though, in terms of durability/punch, is there much difference between including CSM and not?

Also should I just quietly put my KoS at the bottom of the pile, or is that thing useful?

They are most definitely useful I assure you. Of course WS9, I10 and SIX base attacks which wound mostly on twos and ignore armour means you can chew up the majority of units. Although they can take down terminators with ease (unless they have storm shields) they are best at cutting down the rank and file soldiers.

Also he rolls on telepathy, so can make himself near enough invincible if you get invisibility. Take greater rewards. They are much better than exalted unless you want grimoire as they properly boost your resilience.

 koooaei wrote:

 Solosam47 wrote:
I was brought to the thought of how often have I seen slaanesh lately on the table, which is very little to be honest. I hardly hear about anyone taking any slaanesh units anymore, a few months back I saw an interesting CD list with slaanesh and nurgle on the list thread, and today I noticed someone mention slaanesh CSM but really that's about it. The only slaanesh thing I run is chosen with the MoS and banner of excess as a melee unit and primarily that's to get abbodon feel no pain, to top that off that's only when I feel like running "fun" games.

Anyone still running some slaanesh? Any shining stars amongst slaanesh CSM and CD units?

Maybe cause there's been nothing new for csm/daremons in like a year or so?

Yeah this is probably right One day chaos will see something neat and new. I just hope it isnt a daemonkin book because then it will be over another year before we see the next daemonkin book. Best scenerio though is if the release all 3 remaining daemonkin books at once! (doubtful)

Thanks to all posting on here, makes me see that I need to add some slaanesh daemons to my mix!

Also I cant suggest enough (the one slaanesh unit i run besides a sorc with MoS) chosen with the mark and icon, that fnp and I5 makes a world of difference in alot of combat. I typically throw them in a LR with the dirge caster and have at it, ton of point = ton of fun (bonus: abbodon gains fnp too)
And I will say slaanesh sorcs have the better powers in the CSM book.

I want to add noise marines but I dont want to buy a csm box and an upgrade kit, any conversion ideas? I have never been to fond of the looks of the hand becoming the weapon either.

Another unit to mention is furies of slaanesh. Not good on their own, but once again invisibility and other psychic buffs and a couple heralds, one with the beguilement Locus, create a cheap resilient(with buffs) swift horde that can absolutely slice through chaff units and the heralds add enough punch with greater ether blades to seriously threaten elite units too.

Just don't buy the gw models. Ridiculous pricing.

 Ustis wrote:

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
I've been very slowly building up a Slaanesh Daemonkin army, and this topic is very reassuring.
Question though, in terms of durability/punch, is there much difference between including CSM and not?

Also should I just quietly put my KoS at the bottom of the pile, or is that thing useful?

They are most definitely useful I assure you. Of course WS9, I10 and SIX base attacks which wound mostly on twos and ignore armour means you can chew up the majority of units. Although they can take down terminators with ease (unless they have storm shields) they are best at cutting down the rank and file soldiers.

Also he rolls on telepathy, so can make himself near enough invincible if you get invisibility. Take greater rewards. They are much better than exalted unless you want grimoire as they properly boost your resilience.

Awesome to hear, thanks!
Just need to find time to glue all those fingernails and studs into it. Ugh.

AncientSkarbrand wrote:

Just don't buy the gw models. Ridiculous pricing.

So true

Im going to have to look heavy into conversions and other models, I found some female dark elves from raging heroes that look super close to daemonettes but have both boobs and a nice sculpt, just a tad more than actual daemonettes

http://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/fantasy/products/preying-mantis?variant=216472134

Damn the prices!!

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Ah hell, I've got the giant resin FW version, that is like a beacon for attention, only moving 6" is indeed ridiculous.

How, I miss my 4th ed Slaanesh "Dance of Death" Daemon army. Two KOS, and three Slaaneshi Daemon Princes; all with Hit & Run, eternal Warrior and the ability to run and charge the same turn with Fleet. That and three units of strength 5 Fiends with Hit & Run. Or 4 non-vehicle herald chariots with hit & run and eternal warrior. That was codex was awesome for Slaanesh except daemonettes and seekers were way over priced and not worth taking. Sigh.... Then GW decided all out HQ's Hit & Run as a purchasable option was OP. So, the gave it to White Scars as a chapter tactic on all their models for free, plus re-rolling run moves.

Since then I been playing two lists a CSM Emperor's Children list with allied Slaaneshi Daemon. Its a fun infantry heavy list with lots of variety: noise marines, sonic dreadnoughts, obliterators, bikes, daemonettes, and seekers. If you take CSM take them as your primary and don't take sonic blasters on your noise marine's. Take a Blastermaster in MSU squad and abuse their 48" range. The CSM side needs to be shooty as the daemons have no real shooting and can handle melee. Slaaneshi marines paired with Slaaneshi daemons are very synergistic. The other list is a Slaaneshi daemon bomb / rush list that relies on cavalry and chained deep strikes of and icon. If you have your heart set on taking a KOS and making her useful. Take two in a bomb list with some 20 strong daemonette squads. Fiends and seekers rush up the board to lock down shooting units , while the deep strikers provide target saturation confuse target priority. Once, their in assault the rending train has no breaks. Another, fun list coupled with judicious summoning.


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 Solosam47 wrote:

AncientSkarbrand wrote:

Just don't buy the gw models. Ridiculous pricing.

So true

Im going to have to look heavy into conversions and other models, I found some female dark elves from raging heroes that look super close to daemonettes but have both boobs and a nice sculpt, just a tad more than actual daemonettes

http://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/fantasy/products/preying-mantis?variant=216472134

Damn the prices!!

Raging Heroes faux daemonettes I have a box on the shelf somewhere. There okay but really small and lacking in detail compared to the current GW minis. The current models are really nice actually. A little green stuff goes a long way to sorting out there mono-boob issues. That said eBay is your friend if your into chaos. Seems every day there a players abandoning the faction. I've picked both 4th ed and current daemonettes for a song off eBay.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Ah hell, I've got the giant resin FW version, that is like a beacon for attention, only moving 6" is indeed ridiculous.

That one doesn't. The Forgeworld Model is Zynakell - a Daemons of Slaanesh Lord of War, and is a Gargantuan Creature. Her rules are in Imperial Armour 13 - the only downside is that she can't be used in games of less than 2,664 points, because she has a rule saying she can't be more than 25% of your army.

@sersi, thanks for the heads up, im not a fan if they are too small, thought they were more the size of traditional daemonettes

That 4th ed army sounds fantastic! damn, I would have loved to play back then