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Probably a hoax, but mabye not. If it was limited to people who actually were in tournaments only, we wouldn't have to question things like this right now.

They should really re-check if this was possible. If it was in any way the whole vote should be dismissed.

I've gone beyond caring now. I was disappointed with how it was handled. But then I realised I don't have to go to their tournaments.

Still feel for Tau.

Called that one already. We didn't really need proof that everyone was out to feth Tau players in the ass, but thanks anyway.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Called that one already. We didn't really need proof that everyone was out to feth Tau players in the ass, but thanks anyway.

There was evidence to suggest this. You can look at previous threads on this and people commenting 'voting for nerfs'

i realy hope the pics shown are a hoax.

 _ghost_ wrote:
i realy hope the pics shown are a hoax.

Pics are real, could stil be a hoax though.

http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/43935625/warhammer-40k-general#p43942543

Should be a hoax, because there were measures taken to make sure people couldn't vote twice. You needed to provide the correct name to email address, and each combination of name to email address could only be used once.

Besides, I'm pretty sure the intent of the rule by GW wasn't to have them form a single unit, but instead bumbled the rules on having them fire "as if they were a single unit" to try and let them just fire all at the same time. The reason being that the shooting process requires that you select a unit instead of multiple units, so in this case you select 3 or more units instead of a single unit to fire with. The rest of the shooting process occurs as separate units, and so each unit's own special rules are handled separately.

Why are people so angry about this ruling? I'm a tau player and I think it was beyond overpowered until they fixed it.

Heck, I did a quick analysis of the Nova Open results for this year and Tau were above 50% win rate as a whole in the event, only going to 48% that they posted if you ignore the second place list that was 62% tau but labeled as Eldar with Tau allies. The Nova format is also a lot more welcoming to death stars than the ITC which is a big weakness for tau. This was also all before the massive buffs we got in the new codex.


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Also this person could have easily voted 50 times but then their votes could have just as easily been pruned when they went over it to check if there were duplicate votes. In other words, he can submit 50 votes, but it doesn't mean 49 of those votes won't get deleted without him knowing.

I do believe if you make a new email under a different name that it could potentially go through. The only way I can think of that would prevent that is if they can link their vote to an IP address. Even then just use a different computer with the new email. So it is not outside the possibilities that this happened.

Is 50% win rate really that great? If anything that just means you are in the middle of the pack.

Tautastic wrote:
I do believe if you make a new email under a different name that it could potentially go through. The only way I can think of that would prevent that is if they can link their vote to an IP address. Even then just use a different computer with the new email. So it is not outside the possibilities that this happened.

Not so. When you sign up for an ITC event, you give your name and email address, and your score is tracked. As such, simply having a unique email address and name isn't enough, they also have to be an email address and name that matches one that has played in a tournament over the past year.

Tautastic wrote:
I do believe if you make a new email under a different name that it could potentially go through. The only way I can think of that would prevent that is if they can link their vote to an IP address. Even then just use a different computer with the new email. So it is not outside the possibilities that this happened.

Is 50% win rate really that great? If anything that just means you are in the middle of the pack.

50% is where every army should be, assuming all variables are equal.

For example, if you like to play MOBAs, if a champion has a win rate of let's say 55% in ranked. He is overpowered.

But don't forget, this was a rules clarification, not a nerf/buff for Tau vote. A lot of people think this is how it is supposed to work.

Given that it's 4chan, I'm going to argue a hoax. I really doubt he was able to fool ITC due to his "1337 skills".

X078 wrote:
They should really re-check if this was possible. If it was in any way the whole vote should be dismissed.

#1 this isn't a hoax

#2 even if it was, the polls should stand. Don't be a tau player.

If its not a hoax and if this was not regocnized by the itc then this poll is ivalid

 _ghost_ wrote:
If its not a hoax and if this was not regocnized by the itc then this poll is ivalid

Negative. Did reecius himself say this? Do you control itc? It's already been stated how impossible it is? It is a hoax. If a revote happens, guess I'll call on my friends to make sure same results apply.

Did he say what Mr. ?

cant you see that this poll cant be a legit one if it was manipulated with 50 votes?

I see ... you liked the result but pretending it is manipulated then nobody can use. thats all i said.

So no need to call for Reecius. Its also nice that you would like t o manipulate votes in your favor. this speaks for yourself

 _ghost_ wrote:
Did he say what Mr. ?

cant you see that this poll cant be a legit one if it was manipulated with 50 votes?

I see ... you liked the result but pretending it is manipulated then nobody can use. thats all i said.

So no need to call for Reecius. Its also nice that you would like t o manipulate votes in your favor. this speaks for yourself

You really didn't understand my questions? You said if not a hoax the results are invalid. Itc can decide that for themselves, not you. You'd love for this to be a hoax. I'm afraid tau players will jump on this, hug it like a safety blanket, and demand another voting simply cause "but itc, what if it's true? It's our tau, and we want them now!" Get over it. Itc can decide if they believe it or not. If they don't, they can keep this amazing ruling. If they do believe it, they could still decide to keep this amazing ruling as the majority agree with it.

i said that if the vote was succesfully manipulated then its worth nothing.

This is nothing what could be decided by the ITC or anybody else. A Manipulated vote is a piec of gak if you want to use that result to claim " this is what the mass wanted" thats it. and this has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of any vote.

So what is your point? i am right in this one. What you are telling me is a total different story. its not my fault that you mess this two things up in your mind. im realy sorry for that.

 Yarium wrote:

Tautastic wrote:
I do believe if you make a new email under a different name that it could potentially go through. The only way I can think of that would prevent that is if they can link their vote to an IP address. Even then just use a different computer with the new email. So it is not outside the possibilities that this happened.

Not so. When you sign up for an ITC event, you give your name and email address, and your score is tracked. As such, simply having a unique email address and name isn't enough, they also have to be an email address and name that matches one that has played in a tournament over the past year.

That is true if the vote was limited to ranked ITC players but it was open to the public and all you needed was a name and an e-mail. So it is possible since it was opened to the public.

Why is it amazing, it goes against RAW and buff the armies that were already wining tournamentsr un undert he ITC rules.
It would be amazing if it produced a meta shift or something like that. Keeping up the status quo seems more like a safe, normal or easiest thing to do. Nothing to be amazed. Now if an ITC suddenly made SOB or IG the best tournament army, then it would be amazing, maybe even shocking.

 _ghost_ wrote:
Are you stupid?

i said that if the vote was succesfully manipulated then its worth nothing.

This is nothing what could be decided by the ITC or anybody else. A Manipulated vote is a piec of gak if you want to use that result to claim " this is what the mass wanted" thats it. and this has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of any vote.

So what is your point? i am right in this one. What you are telling me is a total different story. its not my fault that you mess this two things up in your mind. im realy sorry for that.

Didn't know you made itc decisions. Dang man, you're pretty important

Tautastic wrote:
That is true if the vote was limited to ranked ITC players but it was open to the public and all you needed was a name and an e-mail. So it is possible since it was opened to the public.

That's odd... because when I voted on this, it asked for my ITC rank. I thought it was internal only. Double-checking; Yes, this was an internal-poll only. They did only limit their voting to ranked ITC players;

First of all, a foreword on changes we made to our methodology this go around. For one, we required that voters verify their identity. We did this as we had discovered that in previous polls, some folks had been voting more than once or were asking friends to vote that didn’t participate in the ITC and had no stake in the outcome. So, we adjusted our procedures to eliminate this type of behavior. As a result, we got less votes than last time, but, probably close to the same umber of unique voters. And more importantly, these votes came from people that are either actively participating in the ITC, plan on doing so in the near future, or use the guidelines but have not participated in an actual event, yet.
- https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2015/11/29/3rd-quarter-mid-season-itc-update-poll-results/

well. i see.

so you tell me that it would be good if ITC use manipulated votes to back up theri ruling? especialy if the vot was done to back this up? Is this your point of view?

 Yarium wrote:

Tautastic wrote:
That is true if the vote was limited to ranked ITC players but it was open to the public and all you needed was a name and an e-mail. So it is possible since it was opened to the public.

That's odd... because when I voted on this, it asked for my ITC rank. I thought it was internal only. Double-checking; Yes, this was an internal-poll only. They did only limit their voting to ranked ITC players;

First of all, a foreword on changes we made to our methodology this go around. For one, we required that voters verify their identity. We did this as we had discovered that in previous polls, some folks had been voting more than once or were asking friends to vote that didn’t participate in the ITC and had no stake in the outcome. So, we adjusted our procedures to eliminate this type of behavior. As a result, we got less votes than last time, but, probably close to the same umber of unique voters. And more importantly, these votes came from people that are either actively participating in the ITC, plan on doing so in the near future, or use the guidelines but have not participated in an actual event, yet.
- https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2015/11/29/3rd-quarter-mid-season-itc-update-poll-results/

Oh good, then there is no reason for the tau community to hope that they can get their loop holes back. Thank you for this valuable info

Guys please dial back the hostility.

 Yarium wrote:
That's odd... because when I voted on this, it asked for my ITC rank. I thought it was internal only. Double-checking; Yes, this was an internal-poll only. They did only limit their voting to ranked ITC players;

First of all, a foreword on changes we made to our methodology this go around. For one, we required that voters verify their identity. We did this as we had discovered that in previous polls, some folks had been voting more than once or were asking friends to vote that didn’t participate in the ITC and had no stake in the outcome. So, we adjusted our procedures to eliminate this type of behavior. As a result, we got less votes than last time, but, probably close to the same umber of unique voters. And more importantly, these votes came from people that are either actively participating in the ITC, plan on doing so in the near future, or use the guidelines but have not participated in an actual event, yet.
- https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2015/11/29/3rd-quarter-mid-season-itc-update-poll-results/

Seems pretty clear that the only barrier for voting is the voter's word that they might play in an ITC event some day or that they don't, but still may use the guidelines.

The voting should be done by a panel of experts that do not compete in the tournament; not by a militant army of tau fanboys and butthurt guys that get wrecked by tau.

The very idea of an open vote done by the actual athletes is ludicrous. Of course everyone will vote in their own favor.

 redthirst wrote:


Seems pretty clear that the only barrier for voting is the voter's word that they might play in an ITC event some day or that they don't, but still may use the guidelines.

Yeah, I'm not sure how they did that, because like I said you had to provide your ITC rank during the poll, so I'm not sure how "plan on doing so in the near future" factored into that. I'm trusting the ITC that their system was meant to handle abuses like this.

 Yarium wrote:

Tautastic wrote:
That is true if the vote was limited to ranked ITC players but it was open to the public and all you needed was a name and an e-mail. So it is possible since it was opened to the public.

That's odd... because when I voted on this, it asked for my ITC rank. I thought it was internal only. Double-checking; Yes, this was an internal-poll only. They did only limit their voting to ranked ITC players;

Say what? From the quote provided by you below:

And more importantly, these votes came from people that are either actively participating in the ITC, plan on doing so in the near future, or use the guidelines but have not participated in an actual event, yet

How do you deduce from this that only those who have participated got to vote? By providing your (imaginary) name and email, no need for rank, you were counted as a voter.