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That speculation I believe is tied into a belief Morathi is one of the contenders to replace Slaanesh as Ur-Slaanesh. I think that may be a possibility but I can't see any new Chaos Elves. I am thinking most likely Light Elves and Shadow Elves.

Cataphract wrote:

The biggest guess is that the Elven gods succeeded in freeing the Elf souls and they became the new inhabitants of the Realms of Light (ruled by Tyrion) and the Realm of Shadows (ruled by Malerion). We have heard only a few, bare mentions of Hyish/Light and nothing about its inhabitants (but there is a Short story featuring a Khornate human making war on a city in the Realm of Light. Have not read it but I think the defenders are human). The Shadow Realm (hehe) is more interesting because more numerous mentions are made of "Shadow Daemons" who may owe allegiance to Morathi or Malerion. Possibly these are the souls of Dark Elves transformed? There is a picture of presumably Malerion in the AOS primer and he looks quite daemonic.

We have seen nothing relating to "Shadow Daemons". We have seen the name "Shadowkin", associated with one of the Fyreslayer Warbands and a direct mention being made of Malerion.

Additionally, the reason why "Malerion" looks the way he does? It's not because of him being daemonic. His final demise during the aftermath of the End Times resulted in him and his dragon, Seraphon, being somehow melded together. The final details aren't known, just that he's been somehow melded with a Black Dragon.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Cataphract wrote:

The biggest guess is that the Elven gods succeeded in freeing the Elf souls and they became the new inhabitants of the Realms of Light (ruled by Tyrion) and the Realm of Shadows (ruled by Malerion). We have heard only a few, bare mentions of Hyish/Light and nothing about its inhabitants (but there is a Short story featuring a Khornate human making war on a city in the Realm of Light. Have not read it but I think the defenders are human). The Shadow Realm (hehe) is more interesting because more numerous mentions are made of "Shadow Daemons" who may owe allegiance to Morathi or Malerion. Possibly these are the souls of Dark Elves transformed? There is a picture of presumably Malerion in the AOS primer and he looks quite daemonic.

We have seen nothing relating to "Shadow Daemons". We have seen the name "Shadowkin", associated with one of the Fyreslayer Warbands and a direct mention being made of Malerion.

Additionally, the reason why "Malerion" looks the way he does? It's not because of him being daemonic. His final demise during the aftermath of the End Times resulted in him and his dragon, Seraphon, being somehow melded together. The final details aren't known, just that he's been somehow melded with a Black Dragon.

Do you have references? I can confirm the "Shadowkin" bit from the Lodges part of the Fyreslayer Battletome but I have yet to see any confirmation of the Malekith/Seraphon merger. When we first heard the name Malerion I saw quite a few people taking what looked like stabs in the dark that Malekith had become Malerion because of a merger with Seraphon. Which I think is indeed bunk because Malerion seems to be able to shift his form or at least become corporeal.

From the Age of Sigmar rulebook pg 66 "The Lands of Grey Shadow: The begin that awoke in shifting shadow was confused. Gone was his physical form and only slowly did memory of the world's ending return. He could not control his solidity which frustrated him...with fury came corporeality and thus Malerion explored the thirteen domains of Ulgu...Only when Malerion came upon a glade of shadow daemons did he feel the spark of recognition, At the center of the bacchanal was his mother."

 DarkBlack wrote:
I'm guessing "generic fantasy"stuff is being trimmed, so big cuts (but not complete removal) of men, elves and maybe orcs/goblins.

An interesting hypothesis, but not one that holds up to scrutiny. After all, they just chopped the less generic undead line. And they've been continuing to put out very generic chaos barbarians. We've also been seeing highly specific special characters with unique identities removed, to be replaced by generic character entries. Generic "wight king with black axe", which cannot be protected by any sort of copyright, replacing the IPable 'Krell', for instance.

Cutting of old lines is regrettable, but to be expected. But rather than IP concerns, I believe it's sales that will be the deciding factor. Shame, then, that this guillotine happens to be coming down after an edition tailor made to make Bretts an unpopular army even if they hadn't been already. Honestly, I'm kind of surprised that the Beastmen survived the first round of cuts.

Sad for the TK to be removed. Personally I had all the models I'll ever need for my TK army (I have about 10k of TK), but it still sucks to have an army gone.

Although I would have expected the newest kit to remain; Tomb Guards, Sphinxes and Necro Serpent. They could have been part of Neferata army at least to keep that Egyptian-vide from the ancient queen.

With that I kinda expect a lot of things to be removed too. Bretonnian seems a given, there's a lot of redundancy in the Elves now so some of them might go as well (plus the HE core ar quite old), the Empire might get the historical-looking stuff removed (so that's a lot of units), if not all the things that have Karl Franz plastered everywhere. The Orcs also have lots of old models that might not make it.

Would be interesting to see how it develop.

It might seem rubbish now but I'm excited to see what GW have in store for AOS I'm a fan of the Stormcasts style and I think the fyreslayers look good as well, Archaon looks awesome on his giant beast, the seraphon could use a bit of beefing up but I'm sure GW will bring some epic looking models for the newer faction's. I think we just need to take a leaf out of the jedi handbook and learn patience.... :-)

Sword Of Caliban wrote:
It might seem rubbish now but I'm excited to see what GW have in store for AOS I'm a fan of the Stormcasts style and I think the fyreslayers look good as well, Archaon looks awesome on his giant beast, the seraphon could use a bit of beefing up but I'm sure GW will bring some epic looking models for the newer faction's. I think we just need to take a leaf out of the jedi handbook and learn patience.... :-)

I don't think "buy it now and if you're patient it might be good later" is much of a marketing tactic.

Joyboozer wrote:

Sword Of Caliban wrote:
It might seem rubbish now but I'm excited to see what GW have in store for AOS I'm a fan of the Stormcasts style and I think the fyreslayers look good as well, Archaon looks awesome on his giant beast, the seraphon could use a bit of beefing up but I'm sure GW will bring some epic looking models for the newer faction's. I think we just need to take a leaf out of the jedi handbook and learn patience.... :-)

I don't think "buy it now and if you're patient it might be good later" is much of a marketing tactic.

Quite the opposite for those of us stuck with piles of worthless (or soon to be) plastic. I can understand excitement in people just entering the game; maybe they'll buy some of my Ogres before they're put in the "last chance" pyre of the GW store.

 agnosto wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:

Sword Of Caliban wrote:
It might seem rubbish now but I'm excited to see what GW have in store for AOS I'm a fan of the Stormcasts style and I think the fyreslayers look good as well, Archaon looks awesome on his giant beast, the seraphon could use a bit of beefing up but I'm sure GW will bring some epic looking models for the newer faction's. I think we just need to take a leaf out of the jedi handbook and learn patience.... :-)

I don't think "buy it now and if you're patient it might be good later" is much of a marketing tactic.

Quite the opposite for those of us stuck with piles of worthless (or soon to be) plastic. I can understand excitement in people just entering the game; maybe they'll buy some of my Ogres before they're put in the "last chance" pyre of the GW store.

Wait, which models are worthless? If you're talking TKs, they'll remain in the app for you to use them in games.

 Mymearan wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:

Sword Of Caliban wrote:
It might seem rubbish now but I'm excited to see what GW have in store for AOS I'm a fan of the Stormcasts style and I think the fyreslayers look good as well, Archaon looks awesome on his giant beast, the seraphon could use a bit of beefing up but I'm sure GW will bring some epic looking models for the newer faction's. I think we just need to take a leaf out of the jedi handbook and learn patience.... :-)

I don't think "buy it now and if you're patient it might be good later" is much of a marketing tactic.

Quite the opposite for those of us stuck with piles of worthless (or soon to be) plastic. I can understand excitement in people just entering the game; maybe they'll buy some of my Ogres before they're put in the "last chance" pyre of the GW store.

Wait, which models are worthless? If you're talking TKs, they'll remain in the app for you to use them in games.

GW doesn't have a great track record with supporting models with rules once they no longer make them. If AoS's rules ever change, what bet these oop models will get rules?

Never mind, I'm just being negative cause of all the minis in my closet.

 Mymearan wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:

Sword Of Caliban wrote:
It might seem rubbish now but I'm excited to see what GW have in store for AOS I'm a fan of the Stormcasts style and I think the fyreslayers look good as well, Archaon looks awesome on his giant beast, the seraphon could use a bit of beefing up but I'm sure GW will bring some epic looking models for the newer faction's. I think we just need to take a leaf out of the jedi handbook and learn patience.... :-)

I don't think "buy it now and if you're patient it might be good later" is much of a marketing tactic.

Quite the opposite for those of us stuck with piles of worthless (or soon to be) plastic. I can understand excitement in people just entering the game; maybe they'll buy some of my Ogres before they're put in the "last chance" pyre of the GW store.

Wait, which models are worthless? If you're talking TKs, they'll remain in the app for you to use them in games.

Or at least until they decide to make AoS MkII.

Which, judging by the turnover of 40K 6th ed, should be about, ooh... next Tuesday.

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:

Sword Of Caliban wrote:
It might seem rubbish now but I'm excited to see what GW have in store for AOS I'm a fan of the Stormcasts style and I think the fyreslayers look good as well, Archaon looks awesome on his giant beast, the seraphon could use a bit of beefing up but I'm sure GW will bring some epic looking models for the newer faction's. I think we just need to take a leaf out of the jedi handbook and learn patience.... :-)

I don't think "buy it now and if you're patient it might be good later" is much of a marketing tactic.

Quite the opposite for those of us stuck with piles of worthless (or soon to be) plastic. I can understand excitement in people just entering the game; maybe they'll buy some of my Ogres before they're put in the "last chance" pyre of the GW store.

Wait, which models are worthless? If you're talking TKs, they'll remain in the app for you to use them in games.

Or at least until they decide to make AoS MkII.

Yes indeed... Luckily Tomb Kings exist in both KoW and 9th Age then

The Trials of the Everchosen is getting even closer so here is another Battleplan from the upcoming weekend to whet your appetite. Keep an eye for more this week!

Keep telling yourself that

Sorry, what?

 Mymearan wrote:
Yes indeed... Luckily Tomb Kings exist in both KoW and 9th Age then

Unfortunately, even if all three systems continue to support TK, with the production of new models ended it limits the ability of new players to start a TK army, or even for existing players to expand it. Admittedly, there is the second hand market, but these are a finite resource, and based on other OOP GW miniatures as availability lessens the cost will increase.

 Vermis wrote:
Which, judging by the turnover of 40K 6th ed, should be about, ooh... next Tuesday.

What's wrong with you? Every post I have seen you write is negative!!! Do you even enjoy wargaming???

Disliking GW is not the same as not loving the world of wargames.

I hate GW. I think GW deserves all thenegativity it can get.

Regardless I buy and play LOADS of other (much better) games.

Sword Of Caliban wrote:

 Vermis wrote:
Which, judging by the turnover of 40K 6th ed, should be about, ooh... next Tuesday.

What's wrong with you? Every post I have seen you write is negative!!! Do you even enjoy wargaming???

Yes, that's why he's ragging on GW.

 Azreal13 wrote:

Sword Of Caliban wrote:

 Vermis wrote:
Which, judging by the turnover of 40K 6th ed, should be about, ooh... next Tuesday.

What's wrong with you? Every post I have seen you write is negative!!! Do you even enjoy wargaming???

Yes, that's why he's ragging on GW.

Because obviously GW is all of wargaming, the alpha and omega of mini-tabletop-wargaming, no other company exists....obviously.


Can anyone else think of what I can do with all of my Ogres? Converting them to Ogryn an option, traiter Ogryn?

I am looking for an Ogre Mercenary for my Mordheim Warbands

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

Spoiler:

 agnosto wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

Sword Of Caliban wrote:

 Vermis wrote:
Which, judging by the turnover of 40K 6th ed, should be about, ooh... next Tuesday.

What's wrong with you? Every post I have seen you write is negative!!! Do you even enjoy wargaming???

Yes, that's why he's ragging on GW.

Because obviously GW is all of wargaming, the alpha and omega of mini-tabletop-wargaming, no other company exists....obviously.

Can anyone else think of what I can do with all of my Ogres? Converting them to Ogryn an option, traiter Ogryn?

I am looking for an Ogre Mercenary for my Mordheim Warbands

Or he could use them under the Ogre rules for KOW, they look better the official Ogres for that game (I still like the Mantic Ogres but GW's are some the best miniatures they ever did)

 sing your life wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

Spoiler:

 agnosto wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

Sword Of Caliban wrote:

 Vermis wrote:
Which, judging by the turnover of 40K 6th ed, should be about, ooh... next Tuesday.

What's wrong with you? Every post I have seen you write is negative!!! Do you even enjoy wargaming???

Yes, that's why he's ragging on GW.

Because obviously GW is all of wargaming, the alpha and omega of mini-tabletop-wargaming, no other company exists....obviously.

Can anyone else think of what I can do with all of my Ogres? Converting them to Ogryn an option, traiter Ogryn?

I am looking for an Ogre Mercenary for my Mordheim Warbands

Or he could use them under the Ogre rules for KOW, they look better the official Ogres for that game (I still like the Mantic Ogres but GW's are some the best miniatures they ever did)

The sad thing is that AoS killed fantasy around here; I have seen one game of KoW played in the last 6 months and that's been it.

Sword Of Caliban wrote:

What's wrong with you? Every post I have seen you write is negative!!! Do you even enjoy wargaming???

Not as good a one as that latest battleplan, though.



Or if you want a bit more detail: unlike Ronin I think GW does some things right, and I still buy GW minis. (Though scrabbling for the best discounts, it has to be said.) But I'm concerned that the minis I'm collecting might go the way of the tomb kings, and I agree with Ronin that as a ruleset, I don't consider AoS to be the best use for those minis anyway. Given the apparent uptake of AoS so far, maybe I'm not the only one. Hence the possiblity of AoS 2nd edition (Warhammer 10th?) coming around sooner rather than later.

But not as soon as next Tuesday. That was an intentional exaggeration in a satirical fashion to hopefully evoke a humourous response. AoS isn't going anywhere for a while.

Don't panic.


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 Azreal13 wrote:

Yes, that's why he's ragging on GW.

Okay, that's a better one still.


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I should resurrect my old imperial ogres project for Dragon Rampant. It lets me do that Moot-tribe-with-halflings idea without the 'freedom' to shoehorn halflings into gnoblar or goblin profiles. (I'd go for KoW or Mayhem but that much 28mm converting might kill me, and I can't afford that many C11 halflings)

Just a head's up to anyone interested. The Tomb King with Sword and Board appears to be back in stock, according to the e-mail I just received. I successfully completed my order so it doesn't seem like an error.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Tomb-King-with-Sword-and-Shield

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Really like their current range but they could have easily fixed this with making the army current but I get it. Still think in 3-6 weeks up pops the AoS TK so hopefully all players don't knee-jerk sell off their armies.

Or you know, set them on fire like this muppet did

So internationally internet famous

MacMuckles wrote:
Just a head's up to anyone interested. The Tomb King with Sword and Board appears to be back in stock, according to the e-mail I just received. I successfully completed my order so it doesn't seem like an error.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Tomb-King-with-Sword-and-Shield

That's so strange.

Fullork12 wrote:

MacMuckles wrote:
Just a head's up to anyone interested. The Tomb King with Sword and Board appears to be back in stock, according to the e-mail I just received. I successfully completed my order so it doesn't seem like an error.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Tomb-King-with-Sword-and-Shield

That's so strange.

No, not strange. Stock gets shipped around all the time.

But going by the skull timer (it doesn't use sand, but teeny-tiny skullz) it's one of the items on last chance to buy?

Yeah, that's strange. 'Discontinued, available while stock lasts' doesn't usually come with 'until we move stock around' or 'until we make more' tacked on the end.