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Damn, not more skaven. Don't get me wrong, I like skaven and love chaos, but we have been the sole focus for many months. It was nice to see death get some attention, even if they didn't get any new models yet. Was looking forward to destruction even though I don't play them.

As for stormcast eternals, I hope they don't release much. If they do, they are just invalidating the large stormcast book they released! GW, if you release a book, include all the damn units! Stop with the kooky cash grabs.

*rant over*

Well I hope destruction will get some live before the end of the month. I am not buying any more skaven, I have enough thanks.

There aren't any new models for Skaven, just repacks, a get started box and bundle and a battletome, and then Orruks in April, so not long before Destruction.

 Kirasu wrote:
It's beyond me why anyone would want to *buy* GW skeletons.. they're so old and terrible looking, but whatever, to each their own.

What would you recommend?

Someone mentioned these ( http://otherworldminiatures.co.uk/shop/undead/ud1b-skeletons-ii-3/ ) but they are 2 for £8 or 3 for £11 and i think the faces are weird regardless of how nice the bodies are.

( https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Vampire-Counts-Skeleton-Warriors ) these are the ones in the box set which as mentioned is a good deal but even as a standalone they are £15 for ten thats pretty good value imo. I think they look pretty good.

If you want quantity then ( http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/undead/product/undead-skeleton-horde-40-figures.html ) 40 for £29.99 is awesome but they look very samie and in no way more refined than GW skelies.

I don't like the Otherworld sculpts. I prefer plain expression skulls to evil scowling expressions and the poses look like they have rickets and jelly legs.

The GW ones are easily the best in my opinion.

Chad Warden wrote:
Release schedules are pretty much set in stone, arent they? Even if AoS is flopping they still have to release the models they have already sculpted

a shame, 2016 looks like it will be a terrible year

hopefully we get at least some demons that can be used in 40k

But didn't you hear? AoS can't be flopping 'cos a guy who works in the warehouse in Australia told his mate it wasn't

Wishful thinking (though i think if this happens GW will get a lot of gripe with their usage of "last chance to buy" -

Just like Krom gets a re-release in 40K. Some of the Tomb Kings models will be put in a "Start collecting! Reanimants" box set...1 Warsphinx, 3 Sepulchral Stalkers, and 10 Tomb Guards for $85. Wishful thinking of course...

 akai wrote:
Wishful thinking (though i think if this happens GW will get a lot of gripe with their usage of "last chance to buy" -

Just like Krom gets a re-release in 40K. Some of the Tomb Kings models will be put in a "Start collecting! Reanimants" box set...1 Warsphinx, 3 Sepulchral Stalkers, and 10 Tomb Guards for $85. Wishful thinking of course...

GW will always get gripes. Obviously it's worse online, but have you ever seen a more spiteful, hateful group of fans or customers than GW has? for whatever the reason...

 VeteranNoob wrote:
GW will always get gripes. Obviously it's worse online, but have you ever seen a more spiteful, hateful group of fans or customers than GW has? for whatever the reason...

Hey, now. Let's not forget all the hard work GW has put into growing that hateful group of fans.

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 akai wrote:
Wishful thinking (though i think if this happens GW will get a lot of gripe with their usage of "last chance to buy" -

Just like Krom gets a re-release in 40K. Some of the Tomb Kings models will be put in a "Start collecting! Reanimants" box set...1 Warsphinx, 3 Sepulchral Stalkers, and 10 Tomb Guards for $85. Wishful thinking of course...

GW will always get gripes. Obviously it's worse online, but have you ever seen a more spiteful, hateful group of fans or customers than GW has? for whatever the reason...

So, if GW re-released Tomb Kings after putting them up as "last chance to buy", the following gripes would be a result of GW fans/ customers being uniquely spiteful and hateful? Stockholm Syndrome much?

Chad Warden wrote:
Release schedules are pretty much set in stone, arent they? Even if AoS is flopping they still have to release the models they have already sculpted

a shame, 2016 looks like it will be a terrible year

hopefully we get at least some demons that can be used in 40k

I don't think anyone knows how "set in stone" it is. I'm sure it's planned a couple of years in advance, but I'd also imagine they have the capacity to push things back or even drop things completely and bring other things forward to fill the slots.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Chad Warden wrote:
Release schedules are pretty much set in stone, arent they? Even if AoS is flopping they still have to release the models they have already sculpted

a shame, 2016 looks like it will be a terrible year

hopefully we get at least some demons that can be used in 40k

I don't think anyone knows how "set in stone" it is. I'm sure it's planned a couple of years in advance, but I'd also imagine they have the capacity to push things back or even drop things completely and bring other things forward to fill the slots.

I guess it depends on how far out they put the White Dwarf together.

If by terrible, you mean the return of two if the most asked after 40k factions, 30k plastics, a new 30k board game, more adeptus mechanicus, thousand sons, grey knight updates, and possibly even the return of the sisters of battle then sure. (ok I admit some of these are guesses but they are all hinted at by reliable rumour mongers) All of these add up to about 20 werks of releases meaning they could all come out and Aos would still have the majority of the year's releases.

I'm pretty sure sad panda said the rest of the year is dominated by AOS. Exciting start to the year with genestealers, definitely, but it'll be lean times if that represents the lion's share of 40k for the next 10 months.

EDIT: lean time for 40k players, I mean (this being the AOS thread and all )

 Yodhrin wrote:

Chad Warden wrote:
Release schedules are pretty much set in stone, arent they? Even if AoS is flopping they still have to release the models they have already sculpted

a shame, 2016 looks like it will be a terrible year

hopefully we get at least some demons that can be used in 40k

But didn't you hear? AoS can't be flopping 'cos a guy who works in the warehouse in Australia told his mate it wasn't

I didn't say that Age of Sigmar wasn't flopping, I simply shared a more legitimate indication of how it is selling in Australia specifically. If sales information straight from the horses' mouth doesn't line up with your narrative and you want to act like a whiny five year old, that's your problem, not mine. It's altogether possible that it is doing very well in Australia but not anywhere else.


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 Accolade wrote:
I'm pretty sure sad panda said the rest of the year is dominated by AOS. Exciting start to the year with genestealers, definitely, but it'll be lean times if that represents the lion's share of 40k for the next 10 months.

EDIT: lean time for 40k players, I mean (this being the AOS thread and all )

For an Age of Sigmar dominated year, we've already received; the Start Collecting boxes, Wulfen, a Space Wolf VS Chaos Daemon campaign book, a Chaos Daemon update, a Tau update, an Ork update, and a Deathwatch VS Genestealer Cult boxed set. We are confirmed (by Sad Panda and Lady Atia) to be getting; Rubric Marines, a possible Lord of Change (either this year or next year), another 30K box set, an Adeptus Mechanicus update and...someone jog my memory, I'm sure there is more. I'm expecting the Deathwatch and Genestealer Cult to get the codex and proper kit releases this year as well. The advantage of a weekly release schedule ensures that even with the year being mostly populated by Age of Sigmar releases, there's still heaps of 40K stuff to come on top of what we have already received. I don't see it as a lean year for 40K players at all.

I didn't say the beginning part of the year was lean, I said it sounded like the future might be. I also don't know how much I consider the Orks getting an "update," seeing as all they did was replace the previous Ghaz supplement with one that used almost all the same formations (even ditched a whole previous army mode, ala green tide).

Was there a good source on the rubric marines? I hadn't heard anything, all I'm aware is more 30k and rumors that the AM would just have their books smushed together (does that really count as much?).

Caederes wrote:
For an Age of Sigmar dominated year, we've already received; the Start Collecting boxes, Wulfen, a Space Wolf VS Chaos Daemon campaign book, a Chaos Daemon update, a Tau update, an Ork update, and a Deathwatch VS Genestealer Cult boxed set. We are confirmed (by Sad Panda and Lady Atia) to be getting; Rubric Marines, a possible Lord of Change (either this year or next year), another 30K box set, an Adeptus Mechanicus update and...someone jog my memory, I'm sure there is more. I'm expecting the Deathwatch and Genestealer Cult to get the codex and proper kit releases this year as well. The advantage of a weekly release schedule ensures that even with the year being mostly populated by Age of Sigmar releases, there's still heaps of 40K stuff to come on top of what we have already received. I don't see it as a lean year for 40K players at all.

Start Collecting boxes were evenly distributed to start, 6 and 6, then new ones alongside other releases- Space Wolves and then Orks. Now we will see more AoS ones alongside new Aos releases.
Wulfen, Space Wolf vs Daemons book, and DAemon update are all one thing.
Tau update is just the new farsight stuff from last years Mont'Ka packaged with the old farsight fluff. And one rebox set.
Ork Update is a clampack being added to a box, and a reprinted Waaagh Ghazkull with three new formations that could have been unit entries (Marine vehicle get buffs for taking a full squadron of 3, Ork fliers get a small buff for taking a squadron of 3) but removed the iconic Green Tide.

DW vs Genestealer cult is a major boost to 40K, but the rest consists of one campaign book, 2 reprints, 1 new kit, 2 new clampacks, and a bunch of repacked kits.
AdMech update will be nice, but is mostly combining the two small books and adding a few units.
Rubric Marines are much needed, but a one week event.
Genestealer cult getting kits and a codex sounds like a 3-4 week release, with Deathwatch being a 2-4 week release.
Meanwhile Orks and IG need a lot more than the band-aids they just got, while Orks, Dark Eldar, and Eldar have a ton of kits that need a transition to plastic, Nids need a combined book with all their units and formations in one place plus a decurion, and then there are Sisters. There are 3 times as many plastic broodlords as there are plastic sisters models period.

I don't play AoS, but don't mind it getting attention and updates. And any daemon releases for AoS do crossover to 40K. But compared to the scale of 40K releases in the last year or 18 months, the upcoming rumors are comparatively rather sparse.

Friendly reminder:

This is an AoS News & Rumors thread. Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic.

As I mentioned in the OP, this thread is not for discussing AoS or GW generally.

Please feel free to start new threads, or post in existing ones, on those topics in the relevant sections.

Thanks!

Just changed my post. Sad Panda said this is a mostly Aos year. So what is coming? What we know is more Stormcast from the extra chambers. More Khorne. Orruks in April. A lot of Tzeentch stuff, though who knows what that will entail. A boxed game in summer. The hope is that this will introduce the Aelves but noone has confirmed this yet. More Duaridin but it is anyone's guess whether this means repacks or new minis. This would just leave humans as the only major race without representation in the new system. Ogors, skaven, beastmen and undead have all appeared in the art and the fluff. If they can get some Aelves and Humans out this year then they will have every race represented.

Really looking forward to the year of AoS :-)

Plumbumbarum wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 akai wrote:
Wishful thinking (though i think if this happens GW will get a lot of gripe with their usage of "last chance to buy" -

Just like Krom gets a re-release in 40K. Some of the Tomb Kings models will be put in a "Start collecting! Reanimants" box set...1 Warsphinx, 3 Sepulchral Stalkers, and 10 Tomb Guards for $85. Wishful thinking of course...

GW will always get gripes. Obviously it's worse online, but have you ever seen a more spiteful, hateful group of fans or customers than GW has? for whatever the reason...

So, if GW re-released Tomb Kings after putting them up as "last chance to buy", the following gripes would be a result of GW fans/ customers being uniquely spiteful and hateful? Stockholm Syndrome much?

lol not uniquely, over the past say, 5-6 years especially, it doesn't matter what GW does or does not do. They can drop prices by 60% and the responses to anything relating to GW would still be insanely high. It may not be (the reader) but it wil be there. Can't make very one happy, maybe if GW sold pot, but I'm 100% certain spiteful, hateful following is got some reason still there. ... I Just wanted to use the soapbox ork emoji

Edit: sorry, scrolled down after this and saw mod post, you're right, dropping this now

Oh nice. I really like that Horde box. I've been eyeing off the Mortarch boxes lately. Now the question is do I buy two or three?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Chad Warden wrote:
Release schedules are pretty much set in stone, arent they? Even if AoS is flopping they still have to release the models they have already sculpted

a shame, 2016 looks like it will be a terrible year

hopefully we get at least some demons that can be used in 40k

I don't think anyone knows how "set in stone" it is. I'm sure it's planned a couple of years in advance, but I'd also imagine they have the capacity to push things back or even drop things completely and bring other things forward to fill the slots.

GW have their own in-house design for everything, in-house manufacturing for kits. It's relatively low technology and they can be pretty flexible with setting up and changing production. In a pinch, they probably can change moulds in a couple of hours.

GW outsource their print work, and this has more complications since you have to set up your artwork to fit the printer's specs, and fit your print run into the rest of the work the printer is doing. That said, with modern print from digital technology, high speed comms, and worldwide availabiity of plant (China, Dubai, etc.) things are a lot easier and more flexible than even 10 years ago.

Boardgames and new starter sets are more complex, since they are created from scratch and combine plastic models, cardboard components and print work, coupled with complex picking and packing. It's no accident that GW print their board games as limited production runs.

No doubt GW have a release plan a year, two years and possibly five years ahead. I doubt they have a fixed plan more than six months ahead, though, and no doubt have flexibiity within that.

I would love to see new Tzeentch stuff, but seeing as the chaos book was released recently I'd rather they gave the other alliances their books and the releases that go with them first. It would make sense for GW to not release new stuff that isn't in the book so soon. Same goes for stormcast.

So I would HOPE and expect the "shining armour" to be protecting some humans or elves. A big mortal order vs destruction release would inspire the least WTF GW.

I doubt we'll be seeing any new daemons soon, if any were coming they could have been in the Chaos Grand Alliance book or in the Wulfen campaign, Assuming GW will not give us new stuff just after a related book release.

Caederes wrote:
I didn't say that Age of Sigmar wasn't flopping, I simply shared a more legitimate indication of how it is selling in Australia specifically. If sales information straight from the horses' mouth doesn't line up with your narrative and you want to act like a whiny five year old, that's your problem, not mine. It's altogether possible that it is doing very well in Australia but not anywhere else.

Well, it's not straight from the horse's mouth, it's from an anonymous person on the internet who apparently knows someone working in a warehouse And it is a little hard to believe when you walk in to a local Australian GW full of people yet see no one playing AoS, the demo table still set up with half painted models and no one painting it at the painting table, then walk in to a local FLGS and see the same thing, then walk in to a local hobby store which is dumping GW product at half price and notice all the 40k stuff is gone and the Sigmarines are still sitting on the shelf after a month or two.

Of course my local area is hardly all of Australia, but it does make it hard to believe a statement with no context from an anonymous source claiming to know another anonymous warehouse worker.

By now I have come to view all pro- and anti- AoS popularity and sales statements as simple rumours to be taken with a scruple of salt. None of them can be substantiated and IMO often reflect the hopes and biases of the individual players.

The only hard bit of evidence available is the recent six month trading statement, which showed a slight drop in overall sales accounted for by currency exchange fluctuations. Even this is open to much interpretation.

 Azazelx wrote:
Oh nice. I really like that Horde box. I've been eyeing off the Mortarch boxes lately. Now the question is do I buy two or three?

I've wanted the components of that Skaven box for ages, esp the cool Plague Monks.
considering my local shop sells the $85 boxes for $65 + tax, I am not going to hesitant a second.

Good, good times.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
By now I have come to view all pro- and anti- AoS popularity and sales statements as simple rumours to be taken with a scruple of salt. None of them can be substantiated and IMO often reflect the hopes and biases of the individual players.

The only hard bit of evidence available is the recent six month trading statement, which showed a slight drop in overall sales accounted for by currency exchange fluctuations. Even this is open to much interpretation.

Which means despite releasing bunch of best 40k sellers including plastic HH that sold like hot cake they still sold less boxes than before(since prices kept going up).

Which means that for AOS to not be flopping 40k stuff needed to flop.

Combined with all the other indicators(including US stores selling AOS boxes at loss for them even without postage...)...Well I know if I were betting money whether AOS sales are flopping or not I know which way I would put my money! Too much indications it's flopping vs opposite evidence.

(well okay if odds given to me are good enough guess I could bet little money. Somebody wants to pay 50,000 times what I would pay if AOS is selling well guess I can take the risk )

MongooseMatt wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:


@Mongoose, sorry, one more question. Do you happen to know which author wrote that specific mention?

I am afraid don't have the book to hand - there were two authors on that book, and it was the second one that wrote it... best I can do, sorry!

There's a reference in Storm of Blades to troop movements "Dracoths huffed and growled, reluctant to leave Chamon."
No reference to riders, but the paragraph specifically states that the movement consists of 3 chambers of the Celestial Vindicators.
Thostos himself doesn't ride a Dracoth, so assuming the other two Lord Celestant *were*, that seems a weird way to write about it for just two of the things.
I can't find a reference to mounted Stormcast other than Celestants though.

 Manchu wrote:
Friendly reminder:

This is an AoS News & Rumors thread. Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic.

As I mentioned in the OP, this thread is not for discussing AoS or GW generally.

Please feel free to start new threads, or post in existing ones, on those topics in the relevant sections.

Thanks!

Not so friendly reminder.

Vorian wrote:

I personally wonder how long it'll be until the new AoS specific factions will get a start collecting box. If the Fyreslayers had been as affordable as these are making other factions I'd definitely have had a dabble... but the price put me off

Not sure when they will get around to doing it. Could it be that the start collecting boxes are more aimed at legacy models/troops from WHFB than AOS-specific models? I have yet to make 1 AOS purchase but might be more tempted by the Fyreslayers models if there is a saving like some of the other Start Collecting boxes because as you say the current prices are offputting.

On that train of thinking it would also be interesting to see a breakdown of WHFB/AOS sales over the past year especially since the new Last Chance to Buy policy came in; All my recent GW purchases have been buying up old GW WHFB stock and jumping at Last Chance to Buy stuff whenever there is a chance to. I think the key breakdown in GW sales is not 40K vs AOS but old legacy WHFB stuff vs the newer AOS specific stuff; this I feel would give a better picture of how AOS is really doing.

I also think that the release strategy for AOS is strange and not really promoting it well. The new Orcs would be interesting to see but that's now a month away. Instead new releases are separated by reboxes of old stuff which, although being given standalone weeks and months by GW, are not new releases and stymy any sense of excitement