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After seeing how successful the AdMech releases were, I can only imagine that any Sisters of Battle casts would sell insanely well. What do you think GW's reasoning is behind them not printing a whole army update (Dark Eldar is another great example)

Well, they did just let our one and only plastic kit go OOP, so there's that...

Because they don't think the money invested in them will equal their returns. They're another power armour army with bolters, basically the bretonians of 40k.

because GW doesn't do market research aka they are a poorly run company. It's their only majority female line, if they marketed that right they would bring in new player

I don't think they sell enough. And the people who do buy them seem to gladly pay for the metal? Most of the people I've seen with them are die hards with the hobby.
I honestly don't know, but if gw thought they could make a profit on them you know they would.

Because they really won't sell much either way.

People keep saying that a reboot like Dark Eldar would work, but how much did that reboot really sell?

You know i am as tired of GW not renewing the sisters as much as the next guy but the reason they don't do it is because (from my POV) the other armies are making GW too much money.

They probably think that there are too few sisters players to make a renewal feasable. This would be caused by lack of attention from GW. Which is caused by lack of money being spent on sisters...caused by lack of attention from GW and so on and so forth.

Honestly I'm getting rid of my army so i can have some money to buy some Sisters of Silence when Forgeworld comes out with them. that way if SoB gets new models I can just use the Sisters of silence models.

Ahhh Efficiency

Except in 5th a lot of people bought the new Dark Eldar, including people who just liked the models because they were cool models and the codex was competitive. If GW wrote good rules and released plastic kits, an all female army that can be tacked on via allies to any imperial army would sell.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Except in 5th a lot of people bought the new Dark Eldar, including people who just liked the models because they were cool models and the codex was competitive. If GW wrote good rules and released plastic kits, an all female army that can be tacked on via allies to any imperial army would sell.

And how do these numbers actually look?

Too less sales.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Except in 5th a lot of people bought the new Dark Eldar, including people who just liked the models because they were cool models and the codex was competitive. If GW wrote good rules and released plastic kits, an all female army that can be tacked on via allies to any imperial army would sell.

And how do these numbers actually look?

Fun Fact about GW- It's really freaking hard to get good data on sales.

Wasn't there a kickstarter that got a lot of funding for non-sob and non female IG models? If that worked well, maybe GW will see it and make theirs. And they could probably ask more for their models, then a small firm, plus the design costs for them are lower then for a small firm.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Except in 5th a lot of people bought the new Dark Eldar, including people who just liked the models because they were cool models and the codex was competitive. If GW wrote good rules and released plastic kits, an all female army that can be tacked on via allies to any imperial army would sell.

And how do these numbers actually look?

Fun Fact about GW- It's really freaking hard to get good data on sales.

Then wouldn't saying how great Dark Eldar did after the reboot, as a defense for Sisters, be really odd?

Makumba wrote:
Wasn't there a kickstarter that got a lot of funding for non-sob and non female IG models? If that worked well, maybe GW will see it and make theirs. And they could probably ask more for their models, then a small firm, plus the design costs for them are lower then for a small firm.

I think i know what you're talking about. IIRC the Sisters of Eternal Mercy and Void Elves kickstarter made like 300k in the first couple of days and 800k to date.

And thats just to fund the project. Never mind actually buying the stuff. So either GW doesn't know about this (unlikely because i thought they had a lawsuit with the company over this) or they don't care. Either way they have their head up their

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Except in 5th a lot of people bought the new Dark Eldar, including people who just liked the models because they were cool models and the codex was competitive. If GW wrote good rules and released plastic kits, an all female army that can be tacked on via allies to any imperial army would sell.

And how do these numbers actually look?

Fun Fact about GW- It's really freaking hard to get good data on sales.

Then wouldn't saying how great Dark Eldar did after the reboot, as a defense for Sisters, be really odd?

I've always had the impression that the dark eldar 5th edition release did really well. Wyches especially always come up as a great kit for conversions, and there are several dark eldar players in my area. Just because we can't throw around sales numbers to support the idea that a faction did well doesn't mean that we should assume they did poorly.

I've found it quite odd, especially recently, that sisters don't get more love. After all, they've had GK in their own book for a while now, and the latest one is rather tiny. Sure they have lots of terminator armor, but it is still just another marine army with a few twists. They released the Millitarum Tempestus book, a book about unmodified humans equipped with above average gear, but still haven't seen fit to release sisters. They introduced the mechanicus books, which granted, the fans were calling for, and yet we still haven't seen them give the sister some love for a while now.

If we can have half a dozen books about marines in power armor, surely non-marines in power armor should have some appeal. If we can release a book about special ops unmodified humans with snazzy wargear, surely the entire sisters faction (and their technically-not-sisters buddies) should have a similar appeal with more variety. If we can introduce a faction of toughness 3 imperials with semi-elite stats and zany tech-based powers, surely we can release a book about semi-elite humans with zany faith-based powers.

I've always had the impression that there was a rather large "install base" for Sisters, and that the lack of plastic and (to a lesser extent) lack of rules support simply turned people away.

I think it comes down to GW just not caring. If they cared, I think they'd push it and make a ton models with their new technical ability. I just don't think anyone there actually like the SOB.

I think they just genuinely don't know what people want.

pm713 wrote:
I think they just genuinely don't know what people want.

Yeah, pretty much.

I think the concept of Battle Nuns is cool, but maybe the appeal is too limited to justify a revamp.

Hell, they never even printed their new codex in hardback.

Not enough sales, and GW being utterly incompetent

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Because they really won't sell much either way.

People keep saying that a reboot like Dark Eldar would work, but how much did that reboot really sell?

This.

I bought a full DE army after the reboot, but I have never seen anyone else collect them.

They haven't yet figured out whether to make them all have Gravguns or D-weapons as standard weaponry.

Because they are stupid people.

It would literally be possible to get away with making one kit. It wouldn't be a perfect solution, but one kit on the level of the Wych and DE Warrior kits would give a cheap way to build Celestian command squads, Celestians, Battle Sisters, Dominions and Retributors. You cannot in good faith say that there's not enough interest in the army to support even a single kit, not when, again, GW wasted more tooling than that on limited edition skull-shaped rocks for a game nobody asked for.

If GW made a kit like that, they'd charge $100 for it and then justify never making Sisters plastics again because no one bought it and they just don't know why.

The reason sales for sisters are crap from GW's point of view is because the only realistic way to get a sisters army without a second morgage is ebay.

I know in my local meta dark eldar sold very well when first released, we had a lot of interest.

These days with allies I find them worry about sales even more baffling. Even if people don't start entire sisters, I know a lot of people who would splash some into their current imperial armies via allies. I know I would want a squad or two. Look at how well knights sold as a one off kit, most people arn't running full knight armies they buy one as an allie.

GW is likely leaving a good amount on the table.

I swear I'd heard before that the idea of re-doing sisters has been floated many times but been shot down by the upper management. They're just not interested in doing the army. Now that Kirby has been replaced from the CEO position, there might be an opportunity for Sisters to return.

Because most boys who play with Sisters will have moved onto plastic dollies by now.....


mwahahahah


In all reality though, I just think the fanbase may be potentially be too small to justify the risk of doing it and taking a financial hit if not successful

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Except in 5th a lot of people bought the new Dark Eldar, including people who just liked the models because they were cool models and the codex was competitive. If GW wrote good rules and released plastic kits, an all female army that can be tacked on via allies to any imperial army would sell.

And how do these numbers actually look?

Fun Fact about GW- It's really freaking hard to get good data on sales.

Then wouldn't saying how great Dark Eldar did after the reboot, as a defense for Sisters, be really odd?

Maybe, but no more odd than trying to suggest the army was a failure and that GW isn't doing Sisters now because of it, because likewise you have no data to back it up. If DE really didn't sell as well as they were expecting then I don't see why GW would have wasted their time putting out a hardback codex for them recently, as GW doesn't really tend to support lines that don't sell (hence why there are no Sisters plastics, and why it originally took GW over a decade to reboot DE in the first place and turn one of their worst-looking model ranges into one of their best).

DE aren't a popular army now because the newest codex is a piece of gak, and they hardly got any plastic to go with it, either; an $80 plane that doesn't perform any better than the existing $45 kit that everyone already bought, plastic wracks that aren't as useful anymore since they aren't usable as troops, and some plastic characters. But from what I understand the army sold well when it was released, and it was allegedly one of the reasons why GW went ahead and released several massive "waves" of them within just a few months of each other, instead of making it a typical codex release and just dumping some stuff initially with the codex and then leaving it at that until the next one in 5 years. I also remember, when GW was first rolling out Finecast and was only converting their most "popular" kits, the Dark Eldar metals were among the first to make the switch (and the first ones to get new Finecast sculpts to go with it).

 Sidstyler wrote:

DE aren't a popular army now because the newest codex is a piece of gak, and they hardly got any plastic to go with it, either; an $80 plane that doesn't perform any better than the existing $45 kit that everyone already bought, plastic wracks that aren't as useful anymore since they aren't usable as troops, and some plastic characters. But from what I understand the army sold well when it was released, and it was allegedly one of the reasons why GW went ahead and released several massive "waves" of them within just a few months of each other, instead of making it a typical codex release and just dumping some stuff initially with the codex and then leaving it at that until the next one in 5 years. I also remember, when GW was first rolling out Finecast and was only converting their most "popular" kits, the Dark Eldar metals were among the first to make the switch (and the first ones to get new Finecast sculpts to go with it).

This, so much this. You probably didn't see my rant about DE treatment in the GW rumours thread but this is precisely why I am preparing to sell off my Dark Eldar.