Serious - why don't you think GW will redo the Sisters line?

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**Melissia**

_ghost_ wrote:
So you see the Space Marine Armour as a default male one

No.

I don't.

Astartes power armor is a very distinct set of power armor, and regardless of what mark you're using it has a very different feel to it than other armors in 40k, regardless of if they're worn by males or females. Including Sororitas power armor, which looks markedly different with or without boob-cup. You keep ranting about how "they're the same if you take the bling off!", except... that's still not true, unless you-- you, specifically-- are saying every armor looks like Astartes armor. I don't need to be looking at the chest of a Sororitas model to tell instantly that they are Adepta Sororitas. Why do you?

**_ghost_**

Melissia wrote:
_ghost_ wrote:
So you see the Space Marine Armour as a default male one
No.

I don't.

Astartes power armor is a very distinct set of power armor, and regardless of what mark you're using it has a very different feel to it than other armors in 40k, regardless of if they're worn by males or females. Including Sororitas power armor, which looks markedly different with or without boob-cup. You keep ranting about how "they're the same if you take hte bling off!", except... that's still not true, unless you-- you, specifically-- are saying every armor looks like astartes armor.

So i guess ur ready now.

Well there are differences. But if you break it down then the differences between a boobfree SoB Armour and a SM armour become prety minor. at a scale comparable to the amount of differences between a Mark I and a Mark II and so on.
Thing dont have to be 100% the same to say " hey thats pretty much this.."

edit: Well. at wich pont of our debate we talked about your personal needs? Or mine ? It seems like you try to use a strawman here.

unfortunatly i have to go off now.

**Melissia**

_ghost_ wrote:
Well there are differences. But if you break it down then the differences between a boobfree SoB Armour and a SM armour become prety minor

If you break it down enough, the differences between Striking Scorpion armor and Astartes armor are "pretty minor" by the definition you're using, but very few people have problems telling the two apart.

Your argument flat out falls apart because, ultimately, all types of armor are, at the core, a sheet of some kind of protective material or energy that covers important parts of the body protecting it from harm; reducing to absurd extremes the details of any two armor types will make them look more and more similar.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

_ghost_ wrote:
So you see the Space Marine Armour as a default male one. ... Based on proportions that are made on a unrealistic scale,.. matching modified humans with abnormal proportions.
Well done.
Eldar are not here to debate. we are talking about human armour.

Kamoulox?

_ghost_ wrote:
You are right this stuff sets SoB apart from other things of the IoM but the bling bling doesn't make them obviously female.

Well, I am pretty sure Melissia does not see them not being obviously female as a problem.
Do you see this as a problem, Melissia? I know I do not. If they are obviously part of a different organization than marines, one that was inspired by the excess of the Catholic church, I am fine with this.
Similarly, the Astartes armor does not come out as obviously male. I do not see this as a problem. Do you see it as a problem, ghost? And what about you, Melissia?

_ghost_ wrote:
But if you break it down then the differences between a boobfree SoB Armour and a SM armour become prety minor. at a scale comparable to the amount of differences between a Mark I and a Mark II and so on.

No. The various marks of power armor are all quiet similar. They share the staples of marines power armor. For instance, they all share approximately the same shoulderpad shape. None of them include clothes, or leather gloves. Actually they are so similar that the fluff insist they are compatible with each other…

**Melissia**

Indeed, I have also never stated that I don't want the Sororitas armor being "obviously female". Rather, I debated what was necessary for the model to be "obviously female". If they're going to be "obviously female", it doesn't have to be through "give them giant boobs!".

**ERJAK**

So can we just call this derailed and move on?

**Melissia**

To be fair, the question was answered on page one, in numerous ways. The specific topic left by the OP wasn't very ripe for discussion.

**AllSeeingSkink**

Melissia wrote:
To be fair, the question was answered on page one, in numerous ways. The specific topic left by the OP wasn't very ripe for discussion.

Yeah, and when we have a SoB thread that isn't sufficiently ripe for discussion instead of just letting it die a natural death we can instead derail it with boob plate... because we haven't already discussed that in 50 other SoB threads (and occasionally non-SoB threads) and it's not the exact same handful of posters discussing it like the other 50 threads.

(sarcasm in case it wasn't obvious)

**the_Armyman**

ERJAK wrote:
So can we just call this derailed and move on?

I've already reported it once. Maybe someone else could hit the yellow triangle of friendship and get this thing locked?

**Elemental**

I'm not sure if it counts as off-topic, since all Sisters threads become boobplate threads. It's like Dakka gravity, irresistable.

**master of ordinance**

Hybrid, I was not 'triggered' (I believe that is yet another SJW term), I am just getting fed up of every single thing that I like being infiltrated by SJW's and feminazis.

It is a 28mm figure. Let. It. Be.
Leave the boob armour and the corseting, it is a familiar look and a style that should not change.

**Melissia**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Melissia wrote:
To be fair, the question was answered on page one, in numerous ways. The specific topic left by the OP wasn't very ripe for discussion.
Yeah, and when we have a SoB thread that isn't sufficiently ripe for discussion instead of just letting it die a natural death we can instead derail it with boob plate... because we haven't already discussed that in 50 other SoB threads (and occasionally non-SoB threads) and it's not the exact same handful of posters discussing it like the other 50 threads.

(sarcasm in case it wasn't obvious)

It'd be nice if we had enough happening to have fifty threads. But we don't

Thus all conversations about sisters tend to gravitate between one thread at a time, plus the sisters tactica thread.

**Torga_DW**

It's obnoxious, but i'm sure the mods have already looked through it and if they don't see a problem then meh. The original topic was addressed, and then we heard how awesome sisters are with the undertone of how it must be a great mystery why nothing has been done with them. Add a little boobplate for seasoning. Just need rumours now of a release that could happen any time and then we'll be done.

**Manchu**

TBH this whole "boob plate" discussion (or should it be, boob plate "discussion") may play a role in GW's seeming reluctance to turn out new Sisters models. I mean, can you imagine if GW released some models just to get jumped all over for portraying women in a way that someone, somewhere with an internet connection could find disagreeable? Don't tell me that GW is too niche for that kind of controversy. I remember when Kickstarter pulled Tentacle Bento because of bad press from tumblristas who knew nothing about tabletop gaming generally, nothing Soda Pop specifically, nothing about the genre in question, nor even the first thing about the actual game they were protesting. I don't think any GW decision makers bother to read Dakka but if they did they could find plenty of reasons in this thread alone to leave Sisters just as they are.

**Melissia**

I have a hard time imagining GW's bigshots even knowing what Tumblr is.

**Psienesis**

master of ordinance wrote:
Hybrid, I was not 'triggered' (I believe that is yet another SJW term), I am just getting fed up of every single thing that I like being infiltrated by SJW's and feminazis.

It is a 28mm figure. Let. It. Be.
Leave the boob armour and the corseting, it is a familiar look and a style that should not change.

I'd like the Sisters line to be released as a Codex that demonstrates how and why they are the Inquisition's first choice in decapitating renegade Astartes Chapters. I'd like the product line to reflect the fact that they are not simply "skinny Space Marines". I'd like the fluff to reflect that there are other Imperial factions capable of being as bad-ass, or moreso, than Space Marines when the situation calls for it.

I am just getting fed up of every single thing that I like being infiltrated by MRAs and meninists.

**Manchu**

Melissia wrote:
I have a hard time imagining GW's bigshots even knowing what Tumblr is.

Agreed but Tumblr is just one (quite specific) element in a wider paradigm that executives are likely to know about and want to avoid.

Psienesis wrote:
I'd like the Sisters line to be released as a Codex that demonstrates how and why they are the Inquisition's first choice

Full stop. This is where I get off the train. Any take on Sisters that focuses on their connection to the Inquisition is a step in the wrong direction. (Although I get your point about wanting GW to depict SoB as badasses rather than Chaos fodder.) Sisters of Battle are an important faction in their own right first and foremost and at the service of the Inquisition as a secondary matter.

**Melissia**

Eh, given how much flak they got over changes like Age of Sigmar or the Eldar release, I'm not sure they'd really care that much, unless it was just to use it as an excuse to do nothing.

**Psienesis**

To my way of thinking, that they are the Inquisition's "first choice" doesn't specifically position them as specifically at the Inquisition's service (though, technically, everyone in the Imperium is at the Inquisition's service). Rather, the Inquisition sees an issue (Renegade Marines) and needs the right tool for the job... so they call the Sisterhood.

Referencing the in-universe fluff-quotes from an Inquisitor who had Sororitas assistance in purging a Hive:

Inquisitor Scallen, Ordo Hereticus wrote:

Most Revered Prioress Helena,
My commendations go to your Sisters of the Order of the Valorous Heart in their undertakings against the heretical infidels infesting Hive Tumulus on Farglum. The Holy Order's response to my request was most prompt, making planetfall less than a week after my entreaty was directed to them.
The fury of their righteous anger was exemplary, and countless souls were returned to the Emperor through the purifying fire of their weapons and strength of their unyielding faith. Through their actions, the hive was purged of its blasphemous perversions, and the so-called Cult Epicurean was all but eradicated. The last few of its foul 'prophets' and apostates have fled deep within the abyss of the underhive, where my companions and I pursue them still.
The holy fury displayed by the Canoness Brigitta and her sisters was devastating to the unholy cultists. An inspiration to behold! The terror they induced amongst the corrupted hivers caused a wave of devotion to spread through the hive. Praise be to the Emperor! The sacred Order of the Valorous Heart are a credit to the Ecclesiarchy, and indeed to the Imperium as a whole.
-0425085.M41

**Manchu**

Melissia wrote:
flak they got over changes like Age of Sigmar or the Eldar release

Those kind of criticisms don't register in the wider media. Charges of sexism do.

Psienesis wrote:
To my way of thinking ...

Right I edited my post to clarify that I appreciate your point about wanting GW to acknowledge that SoB are supremely capable as opposed to yet another faction that fails while the SM are on the way.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

master of ordinance wrote:
Hybrid, I was not 'triggered' (I believe that is yet another SJW term)

Yeah, I was gently mocking you.

master of ordinance wrote:
I am just getting fed up of every single thing that I like being infiltrated by SJW's and feminazis.

Damn, that sound just AWFUL! Were you the guy that wrote this article? I am going to give you a secret internet tip. If you are fed up by SJW and feminazis, stop reading them! Hit the little red button that will close the tab and move on.

Melissia wrote:
I have a hard time imagining GW's bigshots even knowing what Tumblr is.

You missed the thing about how feminazi control the WORLD! It's the main reason why most state leaders are men.

Psienesis wrote:
I am just getting fed up of every single thing that I like being infiltrated by MRAs and meninists.

MRA and meninists are not that numerous. Those who are REALLY annoying are the status quo warrior. So self-righteous, and with such a low willingness to have any shadow of critical analysis of anything beside “Things are 100% perfectly fine and awesome as they are now and any change is bad”… They make me irate.

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Manchu wrote:
Those kind of criticisms don't register in the wider media. Charges of sexism do.

Do you mean this as in “Free advertisement for the company that have no advertisement budget”?

**Melissia**

In my defense, I tend to ignore posts that use the word "feminazi" in a non-ironic manner. After all, without exception, they never have anything of value.

**Martel732**

master of ordinance wrote:
Hybrid, I was not 'triggered' (I believe that is yet another SJW term), I am just getting fed up of every single thing that I like being infiltrated by SJW's and feminazis.

It is a 28mm figure. Let. It. Be.
Leave the boob armour and the corseting, it is a familiar look and a style that should not change.

You used the term "feminazis". You lose the argument.

**Manchu**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Those kind of criticisms don't register in the wider media. Charges of sexism do.
Do you mean this as in “Free advertisement for the company that have no advertisement budget”?

In the best case, the boost you get from polarizing media attention is short term. But you get saddled with long term negative associations that tend to reach people who have no other reason to know about your company other than to dislike it because of such associations.

**War Kitten**

Sad thing is I would love it if the Sister's line was re-done. At this point I frankly don't care if they change the aesthetic or not, the line just needs an update in general, if they did I'd actually have a reason to start up a Sisters army, what little of their fluff I've read I've actually liked (the Soul Drinkers omnibus had some)

**HoundsofDemos**

I don't see the fear of feminist make sense, all people want is GW to take the metal models, make them them plastic, cut them up onto a sprue and sell them. I don't see that leading to protests.

**Matt.Kingsley**

Martel732 wrote:
master of ordinance wrote:
Hybrid, I was not 'triggered' (I believe that is yet another SJW term), I am just getting fed up of every single thing that I like being infiltrated by SJW's and feminazis.

It is a 28mm figure. Let. It. Be.
Leave the boob armour and the corseting, it is a familiar look and a style that should not change.

You used the term "feminazis". You lose the argument.

To be fair though, feminazis are a thing.

The problem comes when people think all feminists are feminazis when they're very different...

EDIT: In case it wasn't clear, I'm not actually calling anyone in this thread a feminazi, I'm just saying they exist in this world and they're a problem as they give feminists a bad image.

**aka_mythos**

I don't think feminized armor does anything wrong; it's simply stylized armor just like the Blood Angel Honour Guard's chest plates but toned down from that. Everything from depictions of mythological valkyries to Xena warrior princess portray styalized female armor in a way similar to SoB. Nothing about 40k is truly realistic; if SoB armor has boob plates it's because the SoB want everyone to know a bunch of women are kicking butt. If that isn't an empowered perspective there just isn't such a thing.

**Wulfmar**

Christ, it's actually disgusting how all these terms like ' feminazis' and 'SJW' are being brought up just because a few women dislike the model design. This name calling needs to stop, it's shameful and you should be ashamed.

The link for those who haven't been involved between the boob plate and bringing SoB back revolves around (as some have realised) that if SoB were to return, they wouldn't be in the form they currently are and would need re-modelling.

I suggested remodelling based on sensible armour from both an aesthetic view (I don't want unrealistic cartoon breasts because I've grown past that point) and from a realistic point (yes this is Sci-Fi, but I still want some realism in it to make it believable).

Manchu hit the nail on the head with their post. This topic is scub and some people will undoubtedly be upset.

The perhaps unsurprising thing is it's actually the boys who want boobs who are getting rude.

**War Kitten**

Wulfmar wrote:
Christ, it's actually disgusting how all these terms like ' feminazis' and 'SJW' are being brought up just because a few women dislike the model design. This name calling needs to stop, it's shameful and you should be ashamed.

The link for those who haven't been involved between the boob plate and bringing SoB back revolves around (as some have realised) that if SoB were to return, they wouldn't be in the form they currently are and would need re-modelling.

I suggested remodelling based on sensible armour from both an aesthetic view (I don't want unrealistic cartoon breasts because I've grown past that point) and from a realistic point (yes this is Sci-Fi, but I still want some realism in it to make it believable).

Manchu hit the nail on the head with their post. This topic is scub and some people will undoubtedly be upset.

The perhaps unsurprising thing is it's actually the boys who want boobs who are getting rude.

I can pretty much agree with this, but at this point I would just like them to get updated models period, so I don't have to sell a kidney to (eventually) start Sisters.