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Has anyone played using these? If so how well did they do for you? Was it worth it. I have been working on some lists and struggling to find some serious anti tank abilities for costs under 100-120 pts for dark angels. I have ideas for tri las preds, vindicators(more anti infantry anyway) dev squads being base 70 before adding any weapons brings the cost of even 2 las cannons above where I need to be in the list. So I have been considering these as an option. How have they worked for you?

I've used the Quad Mortar. Loses a touch from the TFC, but gains an anti-armour shell to make up for it. Between armour and infantry, it's got something to fire at just about every turn.

Do you know which imperial armor book that was from or are the rules unpublished in a book?

Nevermind it is unpublished. It wouldn't be allowed in the tournament setting.

 namiel wrote:
Do you know which imperial armor book that was from or are the rules unpublished in a book?

Nevermind it is unpublished. It wouldn't be allowed in the tournament setting.

The Quad Mortar is a Forge World PDF

Coming at this question from a HH standpoint - the rapier quad mortar is the single most effective unit for the points i have seen in the HH.

I took on a mate with emperors children a couple of days ago - 1490pts; he had fulgrim in a unit with a paragon blade praetor and a unit of pheonix terminators, a tactical unit, two mortis contemptors and a vindicator - the three individual quad mortar teams did more damage to the enemy than any other unit; they killed the vindicator, both contemptors, the praetor, most of the terminators and best of all - they got fulgrim.

Do not underestimate the quad mortar!

 SirDonlad wrote:
Coming at this question from a HH standpoint - the rapier quad mortar is the single most effective unit for the points i have seen in the HH.

I took on a mate with emperors children a couple of days ago - 1490pts; he had fulgrim in a unit with a paragon blade praetor and a unit of pheonix terminators, a tactical unit, two mortis contemptors and a vindicator - the three individual quad mortar teams did more damage to the enemy than any other unit; they killed the vindicator, both contemptors, the praetor, most of the terminators and best of all - they got fulgrim.

Do not underestimate the quad mortar!

So he cheated right off the bat haha, 1 master of the Legion per 1000pts, fulgrim is one, the Praetor is another, so min 2k for that, glad you beat him!

Also quad morters are only str5 so cannot harm the contemptors and can only glance the vindicators side armour.


Rapiers are great, 165 for 3 Ord str9 ap1 shots is great, the quads are also very good for 4 str5 barrage blasts per morter, lastly the quad heavy bolters are amazing in an imperial fists Legion, bs5 twin linked, 6 shots each.

 Formosa wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
Coming at this question from a HH standpoint - the rapier quad mortar is the single most effective unit for the points i have seen in the HH.

I took on a mate with emperors children a couple of days ago - 1490pts; he had fulgrim in a unit with a paragon blade praetor and a unit of pheonix terminators, a tactical unit, two mortis contemptors and a vindicator - the three individual quad mortar teams did more damage to the enemy than any other unit; they killed the vindicator, both contemptors, the praetor, most of the terminators and best of all - they got fulgrim.

Do not underestimate the quad mortar!

So he cheated right off the bat haha, 1 master of the Legion per 1000pts, fulgrim is one, the Praetor is another, so min 2k for that, glad you beat him!

Also quad morters are only str5 so cannot harm the contemptors and can only glance the vindicators side armour.


Rapiers are great, 165 for 3 Ord str9 ap1 shots is great, the quads are also very good for 4 str5 barrage blasts per morter, lastly the quad heavy bolters are amazing in an imperial fists Legion, bs5 twin linked, 6 shots each.

The Quad Mortar also has a S8 AP4 shot that rerolls failed armour pen

Just the achilles version, all I can see it the str5 one for rapiers.

 Formosa wrote:
Just the achilles version, all I can see it the str5 one for rapiers.

It clearly says on the PDF that ut also has a S8 AP4 shot

Just checked the field artillery weapons page and looks like they added shatter rounds to the quad mortar

I've used rapier lasers with my guard.

They are flat out better than anything in the codex for long ranged anti tank. The comparison between them and Lascannon teams is flat out laughable (similar to the comparison between mortar teams and Wyverns, which if you ever needed proof GW is incapable of anything resembling balance, there ya go.)

commander dante wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Just the achilles version, all I can see it the str5 one for rapiers.

It clearly says on the PDF that ut also has a S8 AP4 shot

It clearly doesn't, the achilles has its loadout "clearly shown" but the rapier version just called it a quad mortar (thudd gun), so you need to refer to the weapons chart, it didn't used to have that profile so I had to check the mini Dex.

So here's a question, since the achilles clearly shows the round in its profile, and the rapier just has the quad mortar, is it allowed to use the round, like flak missiles, I'd say yes, but it's a valid question non the less.

 Formosa wrote:

commander dante wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Just the achilles version, all I can see it the str5 one for rapiers.

It clearly says on the PDF that ut also has a S8 AP4 shot

It clearly doesn't, the achilles has its loadout "clearly shown" but the rapier version just called it a quad mortar (thudd gun), so you need to refer to the weapons chart, it didn't used to have that profile so I had to check the mini Dex.

So here's a question, since the achilles clearly shows the round in its profile, and the rapier just has the quad mortar, is it allowed to use the round, like flak missiles, I'd say yes, but it's a valid question non the less.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/RapierQuadMortar40k.pdf
Read Again

I came across as rude there, sorry, what I meant to say is it clearly shows the profile in the achilles and pre achilles the sunder round didn't exist, so they added it to the mini Dex like loads of stealth updates.


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That's the 40k version lol, I'm referring to the 30k one


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Have they added the heavy grav gun to the 40k one yet?

 Formosa wrote:


So he cheated right off the bat haha, 1 master of the Legion per 1000pts, fulgrim is one, the Praetor is another, so min 2k for that, glad you beat him!

It's okay, i let him take it all, it's all he had - we forge that narrative hard!
My mates humoured me when i bought the warhound so we all know the drill.

Sadly i didn't beat him because we forgot to do objectives and ended up doing kill points so he won 10 to 8 with a single terminator on the table when the game ended turn 6 - i would have tabled him if we had a turn 7.
The big thing for me was that i finally brought down fulgrim - i am also pretty pleased i did it with less than 1500pts.

Certainly proved the awesomeness of the quad mortar though; for 60pts each, the three of them controlled the game and if you engineer it so only one of the crewmen dies then it becomes T7 afterwards!

It's artillery so it's t7 to shooting all the time isn't it? I usually put 1 guy out front and 1 behind so closest casualty doesn't hurt the gun, making it effectively t7 3 wounds.

Nah man, majority toughness has it at T4 off the bat.

I think you need to check the artillery rules. All crew get the same T as the guns vs shooting.

Hence why Mek guns are hilarious. In my group the "termagrots" are notorious for how rage inducing they are.

"You may add 2 T7 wounds per gun for 3 points apiece"

My normal UM 30k list has two squads of three rapiers, one squad of las and one squad of grav, normally embedded in cover. I like them because they are a pain to shift and are great at making a fire lane. The las ones with tank hunter via Guilliman are amazing at removing light to medium tanks and useful for stripping HP from heavy to super heavy tanks.

I see a lot of talk about the Rapier but nothing really about the Tarantulas. I'll start that off.

I have three tarantula sentry guns and use them in my IG army. I've tried them as both Heavy Bolters and as Lascannons. Go lascannons. It's worth the increase in points cost to make sentry guns usable.
The Heavy Bolters are ineffective against most units and won't do much even if they target the unit you want them to shoot at.
The Lascannons are a much better choice because when they hit, they pose a real threat to about everything and BS3 Twin-linked is not bad when it comes to hitting.

Now in regards to mode, sentry mode is useful if you want to sit the turret at the back to protect against deepstrikers or outflankers but I find more use in point defence mode (you'll usually get more shooting time). Put the sentry guns in positions with great firing lines or facing where you know the enemy will come (a bridge or a road etc) and they'll do their jobs.

I like them both

Rapiers:
Incredibly good, probably one of the best cheap AT options that isn't down right broken

Tarantulas:
big, hairy, 8 legs, can bite you
In all seriousness, can be very good depending on how you load them out and choose to deploy them.

I've got a unit of Quad Heavy Bolters. They're cheap and put out a surprising amount of firepower. I've shredded command squads with them

Graviton Rapiers are on my purchase list at some point, mainly because they shred Spartans and superheavies nicely

As for Tarantulas, I'm looking to get some Heavy Bolter Tarantulas for my Elysians. Mainly to combat drop behind that Aegis Defence line and have it pummel the defenders

Finally, I've got a Hyperios Air Defence Battery. Still not sure on them, but they seem to a nice and cheap anti-air addition. Not sure whether the command platform is worth it (drop from 3 shots to 2, but can split fire...)

Thanks everyone for the input. I have been struggling to fill my heavy support slot with ~90-100 points. At first I was looking at 140 which would have been much easier to do with a tuned up predator or dev squad but now im more leaning towards these options to start play testing. I would love to bring the quad mortar, I would cut points on my core units just to fit a second. Sadly though its still just a pdf and not in any imperial armor book so it is not allowed in adepticon team.

Does anyone know if in one of the Vraaks books, weather or not it lists the rapier as a choice for an IG list? If so, you may actually be in the clear to take it.

 Brennonjw wrote:
Does anyone know if in one of the Vraaks books, weather or not it lists the rapier as a choice for an IG list? If so, you may actually be in the clear to take it.

It's in Imperial Armour Volume 1 with that wording.

You can't take one as part of the new Cadian Battlegroup Detachment(at least for now), but you can definitely take it as a Heavy Support.

But I cant take one as a Dark angels heavy support.......

Rapiers are one of the only good CSM units. Hades are pretty nice as a whole.