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I use many different paints..
Primarily P3 and VGC,VMA, VGA.
With a few Golden High Flows for my mostly used colours.
Some Citadel Shades and Technicals.
As well as various artist acrylics from W&N in primary colours..
And a few Montana cans.

My gf has a basic Citadel range..

Bonus tip..
For us painters that want faster drying paints..
Vodka.. I always have a little bottle in my paint kit..

 Tjomball wrote:


Bonus tip..
For us painters that want faster drying paints..
Vodka.. I always have a little bottle in my paint kit..

Is that to mix in the paint, or just something to sip at whilst you put your feet up and wait for it to dry?!

 Jadenim wrote:

 Tjomball wrote:


Bonus tip..
For us painters that want faster drying paints..
Vodka.. I always have a little bottle in my paint kit..

Is that to mix in the paint, or just something to sip at whilst you put your feet up and wait for it to dry?!

Both..

 Tjomball wrote:
Bonus tip..
For us painters that want faster drying paints..
Vodka.. I always have a little bottle in my paint kit..

Have you tried using isopropyl alcohol instead of vodka? Unless your country has no tax on booze, isopropyl is a lot cheaper. It's a lot stronger than vodka so you might have to dilute it down a bit.

With Australian prices it's a lot better for me to drive the extra 10 minutes to the FLGS rather than the GW and pick up Vallejo or P3. You simply get more for less.

I hate the pots, they dry out way to easily, especially in summer.

I also found they do not mix all that well.

That said I do not find them objectively bad, the premade glazes, the base line, and the technical are all good for newer painters.

I hate thinning down isopropyl.
Its supposed to be thinned to 40%
Vodka already comes at 40%

rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:
Ceramite White is an utterly useless paint that even armies/craftworlds/septs/chapters/regiments/WAAAGH!s/other factions that use white opt for Ulthuan Grey over a white primer. Thank Duncan. GW washes,dry and technicals are to die for.

Ceramite White had use for the whites of eyes and adding to white to paints to create a bespoke highlight as well as being the final highlight on white and on power/force weapons. Recently I've been using Pallid Wytch Flesh for eyes and mixing highlights and yesterday I picked up a pot of White Scar to try it out (as I work from white primer I have no need good coverage). I have always found Ulthuan Grey to be too much on the grey side for use as an off-white and prefer Pallid Wytch Flesh.

 Tjomball wrote:
I hate thinning down isopropyl.
Its supposed to be thinned to 40%
Vodka already comes at 40%

You could just keep an old vodka bottle and fill it with 40% IPA, you don't have to thin it down each time you paint

I used vodka for a little while because some guys at the local store said it was good, I didn't really like it compared to my regular gamut of thinners.

Yea...
But then I wouldnt be able to have a drink while waiting for layers to dry..

 Bottle wrote:

rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:
Ceramite White is an utterly useless paint that even armies/craftworlds/septs/chapters/regiments/WAAAGH!s/other factions that use white opt for Ulthuan Grey over a white primer. Thank Duncan. GW washes,dry and technicals are to die for.

Ceramite White had use for the whites of eyes and adding to white to paints to create a bespoke highlight as well as being the final highlight on white and on power/force weapons. Recently I've been using Pallid Wytch Flesh for eyes and mixing highlights and yesterday I picked up a pot of White Scar to try it out (as I work from white primer I have no need good coverage). I have always found Ulthuan Grey to be too much on the grey side for use as an off-white and prefer Pallid Wytch Flesh.

I use ceramite white for pure white icons, like the white halves of a Mechanicus cog, or a white dark angels icon. I find it easier to paint the cog black, then do the two white halves. Ceramite just covers better than White Scar.

That said, it is paint I use very little of. I usually do eyes with white scar. But, I'm usually covering bugman's glow, not black (primer).

I agree about the technical paints. They are so unique and save so much time. Nobody else has even tried to make paints like Blood for the Blood God, Typhus Corrosion, or Nilakh Oxide

 Talys wrote:
I agree about the technical paints. They are so unique and save so much time. Nobody else has even tried to make paints like Blood for the Blood God, Typhus Corrosion, or Nilakh Oxide

Vallejo has versions of these paints in the Game Color line.

honestly i hate them.

Love the washes and some of the technicals.
But the paint pots are a deal breaker.
Just over the weekend i had to scrap dry paints off the lids because the pots cant close properly anymore. i had to drip some medium in as some are drying up.

Never had such an issue with Vallejo.

 Talys wrote:

 Bottle wrote:

rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:
Ceramite White is an utterly useless paint that even armies/craftworlds/septs/chapters/regiments/WAAAGH!s/other factions that use white opt for Ulthuan Grey over a white primer. Thank Duncan. GW washes,dry and technicals are to die for.

Ceramite White had use for the whites of eyes and adding to white to paints to create a bespoke highlight as well as being the final highlight on white and on power/force weapons. Recently I've been using Pallid Wytch Flesh for eyes and mixing highlights and yesterday I picked up a pot of White Scar to try it out (as I work from white primer I have no need good coverage). I have always found Ulthuan Grey to be too much on the grey side for use as an off-white and prefer Pallid Wytch Flesh.

I use ceramite white for pure white icons, like the white halves of a Mechanicus cog, or a white dark angels icon. I find it easier to paint the cog black, then do the two white halves. Ceramite just covers better than White Scar.

That said, it is paint I use very little of. I usually do eyes with white scar. But, I'm usually covering bugman's glow, not black (primer).

I agree about the technical paints. They are so unique and save so much time. Nobody else has even tried to make paints like Blood for the Blood God, Typhus Corrosion, or Nilakh Oxide

@Talys, thanks for the advice man!

I work from white primer so I am sure White Scar will give good enough coverage. If not I still have my gloopy Ceramite White that can be thinned down quickly with Lahmein Medium :-)

Ceramite white dries out faster than any other paint I've owned. I loved it when I first tried it, a little bit later I noticed it was getting a bit thick and goopy, I didn't use it for a few months and when I came back the pot had mostly dried out.

What I really miss is Citadels Foundation paint range. Those rocked the house. They covered, they blended, they were awesome.

I have no idea why they stopped making them. Now its Vallejo or reaper for me since I've pretty much got to order online where I'm at.

 Jayden63 wrote:
What I really miss is Citadels Foundation paint range. Those rocked the house. They covered, they blended, they were awesome.

I have no idea why they stopped making them. Now its Vallejo or reaper for me since I've pretty much got to order online where I'm at.

You don't like the Citadel Base range that replaced the foundations? I'm mostly indifferent, the Base paints tend to be more vibrant than the Foundations so naturally don't cover quite as well, but still a lot better than regular Citadel or Vallejo Game paints.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Talys wrote:
I agree about the technical paints. They are so unique and save so much time. Nobody else has even tried to make paints like Blood for the Blood God, Typhus Corrosion, or Nilakh Oxide

Vallejo has versions of these paints in the Game Color line.

Really? They must not carry it in my store. Do you know what they would be?

Specifically, blood for the blood god 'splatters' really well and makes realistic looking blood stains with no work at all. Typhus corrosion is a super gritty and oily paint that adds texture and grime to a model, ideal for weathering - combined with drybrushing, it just takes a lot less time than weathering powders. It's my favorite technical paint, and I go through like 2 pots every month. Nilakh oxide is a very chalky paint that smears very nicely and easily reproduces verdigris. Nurgle's Rot is very unique in the ease at which you can create.... slime... and Ryza rust is a neat effect on top of typhus corrosion, but I can live without the last two.

I don't think Vallejo has those... Tamiya Clear Red is pretty much Blood for the Blood God though.

My main dislike for GW paints is that the range is unstable. Colours come and go.

Some are excellent, but it's hard to make them a staple when you're uncertain they'll remain. Tallarn flesh is still in my opinion the best flesh base paint ever made by anyone. I've yet to find a suitable replacement, and it was bloody retired.

Mephiston red is a great, bright red base. But I've not been stung, so I don't use it as much as I might, preferring Vallejo's stable colour range.

Its the Vallejo Special Effects set and has been out for a while.

The Citadel paint range, in my mind, seems to be designed for convenience above all else, with a lot of useful colors, base, layer and shade. IMHO, the number of pots available is getting unwieldy. The fact that some of the paint names are reused between the different ranges (dry, base, layer etc) is idiotic and confusing. The fact that they went to IP protected names is idiotic and confusing - especially with the paint names that have no "color" in them. Seriously... WTF is "Warpstone Glow". For someone not in the GW hobby, you'd think yellow or orange right? My favourite WTF paint name is "The Fang". Nobody expects it to be some sort of purple-grey.

Hilariously, despite the gigantic quantity of colors available, GW does not provide a proper deep red. Khorne Red is not nearly dark enough and is fething rubbish.

Even more frustrating than the paint names is the fact that they keep changing their paint line - and the new paints have equally nonsensical, non-descriptive names. The new paint pots are a frustrating exercise as well. The best designed ones had that little clip to hold the damn thing open. None of the new ones have that. At least they're better than the P3 pots, with their self-destructing lids.

I think everyone has covered the price. GW: More money for less paint. 'nuff said.

The more I use them, the more I'm impressed with the P3 line. It is a very compact (but versatile) paint range and I use it for most of my painting grunt work. I'm using Reaper/Vallejo paints for specialty colors not available in p3. The only new Citadel paints I've purchased in the last 6 months have been technical paints... everything else gets replaced with a p3, Reaper or Vallejo equivalent. These are useful in their own way as they are a very easy way to get interesting effects.

 Ghaz wrote:
Its the Vallejo Special Effects set and has been out for a while.

Very cool, had no idea they did those, thanks!


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 keezus wrote:
The Citadel paint range, in my mind, seems to be designed for convenience above all else, with a lot of useful colors, base, layer and shade. IMHO, the number of pots available is getting unwieldy. The fact that some of the paint names are reused between the different ranges (dry, base, layer etc) is idiotic and confusing. The fact that they went to IP protected names is idiotic and confusing - especially with the paint names that have no "color" in them. Seriously... WTF is "Warpstone Glow". For someone not in the GW hobby, you'd think yellow or orange right? My favourite WTF paint name is "The Fang". Nobody expects it to be some sort of purple-grey.

Hilariously, despite the gigantic quantity of colors available, GW does not provide a proper deep red. Khorne Red is not nearly dark enough and is fething rubbish.

Even more frustrating than the paint names is the fact that they keep changing their paint line - and the new paints have equally nonsensical, non-descriptive names. The new paint pots are a frustrating exercise as well. The best designed ones had that little clip to hold the damn thing open. None of the new ones have that. At least they're better than the P3 pots, with their self-destructing lids.

I think everyone has covered the price. GW: More money for less paint. 'nuff said.

The more I use them, the more I'm impressed with the P3 line. It is a very compact (but versatile) paint range and I use it for most of my painting grunt work. I'm using Reaper/Vallejo paints for specialty colors not available in p3. The only new Citadel paints I've purchased in the last 6 months have been technical paints... everything else gets replaced with a p3, Reaper or Vallejo equivalent. These are useful in their own way as they are a very easy way to get interesting effects.

The color distribution with GW paints is pants. They have a ton of greens and blues, but only a couple of reds and three yelllows. Of course that's not a problem if you have access to other ranges, but many people use GW Paints exclusively. I for one don't have access to any other paints locally.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
What I really miss is Citadels Foundation paint range. Those rocked the house. They covered, they blended, they were awesome.

I have no idea why they stopped making them. Now its Vallejo or reaper for me since I've pretty much got to order online where I'm at.

You don't like the Citadel Base range that replaced the foundations? I'm mostly indifferent, the Base paints tend to be more vibrant than the Foundations so naturally don't cover quite as well, but still a lot better than regular Citadel or Vallejo Game paints.

They dont cover as well, so no I don't like them. The best thing about the foundation paints was exactly what was in their name. They are the foundation. They didn't need to be bright, it was just the first coat of paint that goes over the primer. It doesn't have to be bright, it just needed to be the correct color to allow for build up. The foundation yellow and red were my favorites. A yellow and red you could paint over black primer that actually completely covered in one or two coats. It actually made me like painting yellow.

 Jayden63 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
What I really miss is Citadels Foundation paint range. Those rocked the house. They covered, they blended, they were awesome.

I have no idea why they stopped making them. Now its Vallejo or reaper for me since I've pretty much got to order online where I'm at.

You don't like the Citadel Base range that replaced the foundations? I'm mostly indifferent, the Base paints tend to be more vibrant than the Foundations so naturally don't cover quite as well, but still a lot better than regular Citadel or Vallejo Game paints.

They dont cover as well, so no I don't like them. The best thing about the foundation paints was exactly what was in their name. They are the foundation. They didn't need to be bright, it was just the first coat of paint that goes over the primer. It doesn't have to be bright, it just needed to be the correct color to allow for build up. The foundation yellow and red were my favorites. A yellow and red you could paint over black primer that actually completely covered in one or two coats. It actually made me like painting yellow.

I can understand prefering the foundations, personally I'm more of a fan of the bases. In the case of Yellow I definitely prefer Averland Sunset to whatever came before it (I forget names).

Have you tried the Vallejo Model Colour (not Game Colour) range? They have pretty good coverage too. Not sure how well they compare to foundations as I haven't tried to do a direct comparison.

 Ghaz wrote:
Its the Vallejo Special Effects set and has been out for a while.

Spoiler:

Wow, neat! I didn't know those existed; I've never seen it in a hobby shop. I'll ask if it can be ordered in!!

Thanks


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 Mymearan wrote:

The color distribution with GW paints is pants. They have a ton of greens and blues, but only a couple of reds and three yelllows. Of course that's not a problem if you have access to other ranges, but many people use GW Paints exclusively. I for one don't have access to any other paints locally.

I totally agree with you (there are a lot of -- too many -- flesh tones, too), but this is actually very similar to other ranges. Nobody has a lot of reds, purples, pinks, yellows, and oranges -- not compared to their collection of blues, greens, greys. A positive thing about GW is that they have several very good tinted near-blacks (eg Stegadon Scale Green, Incubi Darkness, and Dark Reaper, Skavenblight Dinge) and a couple of good tinted near-whites (eg Ulthuan Grey). Vallejo is the king of indistinguishable camo colors, and colors between their own ranges with different names that are *exactly the same*

For years, I too used GW paints simply because the closest store had the full GW range and almost nothing else.

 Talys wrote:
Vallejo is the king of indistinguishable camo colors, and colors between their own ranges with different names that are *exactly the same*

Of course that's due to the VMC paint line's target audience (the military modeler) and the necessity of matching real world colors. If all the armies would have used the same colors, we wouldn't have had that problem

 Mymearan wrote:

The color distribution with GW paints is pants. They have a ton of greens and blues, but only a couple of reds and three yelllows.

What colors would you add? Note that GW also has pinks (which I consider a part of the red category), purple (which is a blue or red depending on the tint), orange (a yellow or red depending on the tint) and the yellowish browns of XV88 and Tau Light Ochre.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Talys wrote:
Vallejo is the king of indistinguishable camo colors, and colors between their own ranges with different names that are *exactly the same*

Of course that's due to the VMC paint line's target audience (the military modeler) and the necessity of matching real world colors. If all the armies would have used the same colors, we wouldn't have had that problem

They are so inconsiderate, you know? Why didn't the Germans and Japanese coordinate. SHEESH.

 Ghaz wrote:
What colors would you add? Note that GW also has pinks (which I consider a part of the red category), purple (which is a blue or red depending on the tint), orange (a yellow or red depending on the tint) and the yellowish browns of XV88 and Tau Light Ochre.

In my perfect universe, GW paints would have a dark purple (close to black), a purple between genestealer purple and dechala lilac, two pure reds darker than Mephiston and one pinkish red darker than Khorne. Yellow is fine, IMO, because after Tau Ochre, you're getting into browns anyhow.

It's not about not being able to achieve those colors by simple mixing, it's about ease of layering -- if the color you want to layer up or down is already in a pot, it's easy to grab it and go with it, and reproduce it 3 years later for the next model in the series

Doesn't Naggaroth Night fit the bill for your dark purple?

Good paints.
Too expensive.
Terrible pots.

I am slowly replacing all mine with dropper bottles from a variety of cheaper and comparable lines. I do find GW metallics to be VERY good, they are the only thing I keep buying.

I despise the constant reshuffling of paint lines.

Also, it's worth noting that their 'technical' paints have existed for years outside of their own line; tamiya clear red, crackle medium... Not to knock their quality, but for vastly less money I can get paints from other lines that do the exact same thing.

As someone who used to live in Western Australia, I cannot reiterate enough, just how bad their pots are...


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Oh, and the complete lack of a numbering system to find the colour you are after...

 Talys wrote:

Thanks


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 Mymearan wrote:

The color distribution with GW paints is pants. They have a ton of greens and blues, but only a couple of reds and three yelllows. Of course that's not a problem if you have access to other ranges, but many people use GW Paints exclusively. I for one don't have access to any other paints locally.

I totally agree with you (there are a lot of -- too many -- flesh tones, too), but this is actually very similar to other ranges. Nobody has a lot of reds, purples, pinks, yellows, and oranges -- not compared to their collection of blues, greens, greys. A positive thing about GW is that they have several very good tinted near-blacks (eg Stegadon Scale Green, Incubi Darkness, and Dark Reaper, Skavenblight Dinge) and a couple of good tinted near-whites (eg Ulthuan Grey). Vallejo is the king of indistinguishable camo colors, and colors between their own ranges with different names that are *exactly the same*

I know you're being somewhat facetious here, mate, but it is a little misleading for anyone stopping into the thread looking for info about brands - as a heavy VMC user I feel the need to advocate a little on the line's behalf It contains plenty of vibrant, non-camo colours if that's what you want. Particular favourites of mine are Emerald, Blue-Green, Blue Violet, Flat Red, the two Turquoises (70.966, the darker one is todie for. Utterly gorgeous) and Royal Purple. It also has tinted near-blacks like the imaginatively named Black-Red and Black-Green. German Grey would have to be one of my must have paints and is a great almost black grey.