Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

So we got a new forum for HH!?!?! Awesome.

I'm working on a Word Bearers army, and would be more than interested to hear how people are choosing to build their army, and what tactics are working well with the Legion's rules. I'm very keen on hearing what others have to say, as I'm the only 30k Word Bearer's player I know.

My favourite non-character infantry unit in the game is now the Gal Vorbak. They are incredibly flexible, efficient, tough, hard-hitting all-rounders that can take on just about anything their own size (and the unit champion can comfortably duel most HQs if given AA and a weapon upgrade).

They are, quite simply, a great unit. The lack of scoring is a bummer but it's not a big deal. Good threat unit, stick 'em in a Rhino and that Rhino WILL get shot at.

Wait, can they go in a drop pod?

I've been thinking about how to kit out my Gal Vorbak. I'd usually be inclined to kit a marine unit with special weapons instead of CC power weapons, but in the case of Gal Vorbak they seem to me like their strenght is CC, so the power weapons might be worth a look. How do you arm yours?

I don't think they can go in a Drop Pod even using the Drop Pod-dy Rite of War as it only allows you to put units in drop-pods that can take Rhinos, and IIRC they can't take Rhinos (could be wrong about this, away from my book atm). Obviously, if I'm wrong, and they can take a rhino, then they can take a Drop Pod using the RoW.

Edit: Looked it up. The Gal Vorbak indeed do not have access to Rhinos.

I do mine naked except with lightning claws and AA on the Dark Martyr. It makes the Martyr a formidable tank and improves his damage dealing to boot.

I wouldn't buy them special weapons. They want to get into melee and shooting things to death might make them fail their charge. Given the lack of transports, you might as well just deep strike them around the time the rest of your army closes in to force a difficult choice on your opponent.





Automatically Appended Next Post:
Lorgar also conflicts me. He is so powerful he could just as well run around alone, but he can't deep strike and buying a transport just for him without a unit seems wasteful.

I suppose they could split up when they disembark but it still feels inflexible.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I do mine naked except with lightning claws and AA on the Dark Martyr. It makes the Martyr a formidable tank and improves his damage dealing to boot.

I wouldn't buy them special weapons. They want to get into melee and shooting things to death might make them fail their charge. Given the lack of transports, you might as well just deep strike them around the time the rest of your army closes in to force a difficult choice on your opponent.





Automatically Appended Next Post:
Lorgar also conflicts me. He is so powerful he could just as well run around alone, but he can't deep strike and buying a transport just for him without a unit seems wasteful.

I suppose they could split up when they disembark but it still feels inflexible.

Lorgar (if you upgrade him) gets to pick his powers from Divination and Telekenesis (changed in HH5; prior he picked from Diviniation/Telepathy). So he loses Invisibility, but he can now pick up Levitation. That means he and his unit can do an extra 12" move in the psychic phase, which effectively gives you the same move a transport would. Given that his unit would move 18" a turn, that's plenty enough to put something in rapid-fire range (Tactical Support Squad full of Plasma maybe? With Lorgar also picking up Perfect Timing (ignores cover), Forewarning (4++) and Prescience (Twin-Link). That's a slightly scary prospect.)

Forewarning seems superflous, he can tank for the entire squad. I'd pick up Precognition instead, it is very amusing for a fighter of a Primarch's caliber and excellent if he faces stuff that can actually harm him (Leviathan dreadnoughts, automata, other Primarchs, juiced-up characters...)

Good thought on Levitation though.

Gal vorbak in an Anvillus drop pod. Enough said lol. For additional fun... Zardu and his blade boys in another Anvillus.

I also always give the Dark Martyr a power fist.

I was actually wondering if the Dark Martyr may be a good candidate (the only good candidate??) for a tainted weapon.

Rending and Instant Death could be a good tool against MCs and HQs.

Maybe I'm just stretching to look for a good way to take a Tainted Weapon because its an upgrade peculiar to Word Bearers.

I don't find the tainted weapon in him to be useful. His boys rend on 6s and then if you power fist him, he can kill a lot more.

Sat I had that load out in an Anvillus. Stayed in am next turn charged a Carnifex squad. Rolled 5 6s initially lol. Then when the power fist swung, dead fexes. YMWV ofcourse, but so far I haven't seen a reason to take other than the fist.

Telekenisis is an awesome discipline for Lorgar Transfigured - its weakness is that the powers are all over the place, but when you know you can garuantee getting the powers you want....

Levitation is awesome supporting a close-ranged shooty unit, as are prescience, forewarning and perfect timing.

Telekine Dome and Misfortune support putting lorgar in the middle of a firing line.

Precognition makes him a melee badass.

Power Mauls seem like a solid choice on the GV. The Str boost plus Rending adds to their versatility.

As for delivery, no one has said Spartan yet? Flare Shield and AC on AV14 makes it durable enough to deliver and it can hold them and some characters.

Anyone tried going the summoning route with Zardu? I was contemplating it as opposed to sticking him in GV.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Power Mauls seem like a solid choice on the GV. The Str boost plus Rending adds to their versatility.

As for delivery, no one has said Spartan yet? Flare Shield and AC on AV14 makes it durable enough to deliver and it can hold them and some characters.

Anyone tried going the summoning route with Zardu? I was contemplating it as opposed to sticking him in GV.

I try to stay away from spartans outside of 2k and above games. Feels blah at lower points

I'm assembling the deamon box from gw, but only going to summon fluffy

Any love for Corbax or Samus? Are they worth considering in the LoW slot(s)?

For me, the big turnoff with Samus is that the model is horrid in my opinion. Cor'bax is better but still not to my taste.

I agree. Samus is just a bad looking model...would fit better in AoS than 30k. And I'm not find of Corbax either. If I decided I wanted to play with either one they woould certainly be converisons.

From their rules, they actually don't seem to hard to covert. Samus has a sword, Corbax has no wargear at all.

I consider samus and his rotten brother to be more of the beer and pretzels lords of war. They have cool rules, tons of flavor, and make a pretty nice way to tone down a list. Word Bears sporting gal vorbak in spartans backed fire raptors, quad mortars, sicarans, and other fun.

I think one aspect that has not been explored is bringing in a daemon contingent.

Indeed. Corbax/Samus are a whole different ball game with an actual Daemons Age of Darkness Detachment. Lord of the Ruinstorm is a scary-ass warlord trait when (a) you're garuanteed it and (b) you have 1,500 points plus of daemons on the table and more arriving each turn.

Gal Vorbak are nice, but frankly even without them, word bearers are nasty.

As a rule, word bearers are one of the hardest armies to break, and one of the best melee armies. Their Legion Astartes rule, paired with a Legion Vexilla, gives you a 3D6-pick-the-best-two-with-a-reroll leadership check. Plus you're all but required to have at least one character with Zealot and you can give squads a 50-50 shot at integral Zealot with Dark Channeling.

The army works well with massed infantry armed for, but not exclusively for, assault. Using Burning Lore, and allied slaaneshi daemons, gives you access to plenty of telepathy mastery levels, which gives you a good chance of shrouding and/or invisibility, a good way to survive the massive quantities of firepower a legion or solar auxilia army can sling down the field.

the42up wrote:

I think one aspect that has not been explored is bringing in a daemon contingent.

I have one built up but not yet painted, so I haven't played with them yet. My Allied Det is currently HQ: Lord of Change, Troop: Pink Horrors, HS: Daemon Prince of Tzeentch. This wasn't formed for tactics or anything; rather, these are the Daemon models I already had. Hoping they will play decent on the board.

I looked through the Daemon codex for a FA and Elites choice, but nothing in there inspired me to go out and get anything yet.