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So, I've got an idea for a list in which I can run two Regenerating Aces, but I've got a problem. Here's the list so far:

Poe Dameron
-[R5-P9]
-Veteran Instincts
-Autothrusters

Ello Asty
-[R2-D2]
-Veteran Instincts
-Autothrusters

Y-wing
-R3-A2
-Twin Laser Turret
-BTL-A4

While I like the feel of the list (Y-wing passes stress out while X-wings get kills), I'm not sure which droid I should put on which Pilot. of the Two, Poe handles R5-P9's focus needs better. However, Asty's thing is the White K-turn, so he doesn't want to be locked into green maneuvers to regain shields. Right now I'm leaning towards the stance of Poe being the only one who works well with R5-P9. While neither of them are really fond of R2's movement restriction, Asty is more free to boost to make up for it.

Thoughts?

R2-D2 on Ello is a fine choice. Regenerating shields is one of the strongest abilities in the game and the T-70 has enough green to make it worth it.

Paul Heaver used Artoo on Poe in his winning Worlds list.

I know they are both good abilities. I'm just wondering which one is best where.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
I know they are both good abilities. I'm just wondering which one is best where.

The way you have it.

I'd leave them as they are. Poe wants to focus pretty much every turn and not spend the token unless absolutely necessary, so he is a lot stronger with R5-P9. R2-D2 is a good choice on any ship with enough green manoeuvres. Also remember you're only really going to be Tallon Rolling when you actually need to, so R2-D2 shouldn't restrict Asty too much

I'll be honest, Atsy's probably best flown as an arc-dodger, not a regenerating tank.

If you want a T-70 to go 'up the centre' and take anything people can dish out, then the person I'd pair with Poe is Red Ace. He pairs up with R2-D2 incredibly well - and the points saved relative to Hello Nasty allows you to take a comms relay, which complements his ability even further.

Flying up the centre is the Y-wings job. Asty and Poe both function as the Rebel take on Arc dodgers- less action economy and no Barrel Roll, but a lot more bulk.

The point of Regenerators is to try not to get shot as much as possible, but to be able to play a little more agressive than other Arc Dodgers since I can just regen shields later.

So, if you'd recommend Asty as an Arc Dodger, what would you give him? I've boosted his PS to 9 and given him Autothrusters. Both are great for Arc Dodgers. This takes up my EPT and Mod slots. Torps and Tech don't have anything to help, which leaves droids. BB-8 can give him barrel roll, if I limit him to green maneuvers. R2-D2 on the other hand allows me to play hit-and-run with my opponent.

I've drawn up a very similar list (but yet to play it) but with IA on the two T-70s and I've gone for Jake, A-Wing Test Pilot, VI, AT and PTL as the third ship, so I've gone full arc dodger!

That sounds like a really fun list. No points for prockets, though?

Not a one.

100 points

35 points
Poe Dameron
R5-P9 (3)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Integrated Astromech (0)

35 points
Ello Asty
R2-D2 (4)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Integrated Astromech (0)

30 points
Jake Farrell
A-Wing Test Pilot (0)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Autothrusters (2)
Push the Limit (3)

Slap Chardaan on Jake for the Initiative Bid.

Completely forgot about Refit!


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Now I'm faced with the dilemma of a 2pt Initiative bid, or dropping IA on one of the T70s for AT, and, if so, which one?

I'd take the stance that the initiative bid is more valuable. It's not that Integrated Astromech is bad, it's just that Autothrusters is better. All things considered, I'd rather give all three pilots initiative rather than one Autothrusters.

With 3 aces, the initiative bid is super important. The only exception would be if you expect to face a lot of turret ships.

So... am I splitting hair in twain in reading the interaction of Ello Asty and Targeting Astromech? Ello Asty only treat talon rolls as white maneuvers, but they're still, basically, red maneuvers, no?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
So... am I splitting hair in twain in reading the interaction of Ello Asty and Targeting Astromech? Ello Asty only treat talon rolls as white maneuvers, but they're still, basically, red maneuvers, no?

No. The card says "treat them as white", not "treat them as white, except when you want them to be red". If you treat it as a white maneuver then targeting astromech will not trigger. However, the ability does have that key "may" included, so you are free to ignore his pilot ability and execute the maneuver as-printed. In this case you would get the free target lock as usual. Not that I can think of any situation where you'd actually want to do this, but RAW it is possible.

Damn. Ah well, I didn't have the cards with me when I posted the question, and you're right, the way it's worded, you just don't.

I have played a list like this

100 Points

Poe Dameron
R5-P9
Veteran Instincts
Autothrusters

Ello Asty
R2-D2
Push the Limit
Autothrusters

Green Squadron Pilot
A-Wing Test Pilot
Chardaan Refit
Wired
Autothrusters
Push the limit

And?

I know it's a lot less actions, but a Blue Squad Novice with and Integrated Astromech and either R2 or BB-8 could be fluffy, no? It's a full 3 extra wounds, too.

 Azreal13 wrote:

100 points

35 points
Poe Dameron
R5-P9 (3)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Integrated Astromech (0)

35 points
Ello Asty
R2-D2 (4)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Integrated Astromech (0)

30 points
Jake Farrell
A-Wing Test Pilot (0)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Autothrusters (2)
Push the Limit (3)
Chaardan Refit (-2)

So, ran this for the first time last night. Was a bit of an odd game as we'd planned for an epic game and some last minute DNAs somewhat scuppered our plans, so we tried a three-way 100 pts each free for all.

Firstly, the rules effortlessly accommodated the change to three players with no mods needed, other than being on a 6x3' board and ensuring deployment was fair. We did one Scum, one Imp and I took the Rebels. Worth a try sometime, off board negotiations about who was the better target rivalled anything you'd get in a GoT game!

Secondly, I won without losing a ship. The extra shield + regen on the T70s (I didn't have to blow up any robots thankfully) was equal to the large number of arcs (there was a turret, Firespray and YV666 on the board, alongside a bunch of TIEs, holes in the coverage of that lot were hard to find.) It does bear mentioning that because of the free for all nature of the game, I was able to disengage and recover from a few rough turns near the start, but I think that balances out the greater quantity of incoming fire and that the list didn't kill all 200 points worth of enemy, as they were obviously attacking each other too.

I was pleased with how the T70s performed, Atsy pulled off a Tallon Roll that finished off the Firespray in style and Poe was just a beast.

Jake now has a question mark over him, without the points for Prockets, I think I can find more efficient damaged dealers for the cost, but I'm going to play some more conventional game's first, as he may well shine in another environment.

I played Ello Asty last night, with R5-P9, IA and VI. This allowed me to bring an anvil of 3 stock B-wings.

I was incredibly lucky to score an early crit on Soontir Fel (taking out 2 hulls and the Stealth Device in one fell* swoop)

Ello is incredibly mobile with his white tallon rolls. I could always get the shot, generally in a good range. 3 b-wings are a hard anvil, especially when flown in formation.

*fell, Fel, get it?

Played this list in a tourney, against some pretty good players. Won my first two games, lost my second two. First loss was due to a rash of bad luck vs a TLT swarm (Ello didn't dodge a singe shot, died on the first pass). Second was my own fault, I got Poe trapped against a rock vs a Feedback Z-95 swarm.

So, what I've learned about this list:

1) It's very strong vs Aces lists. The T-70's are amazing in a 1-on-1 fight, especially if Stressbot can put in some work.

2) I take a massive hit in firepower the moment that I lose an X-wing. While the Stresshog can put out decent firepower, it is hard to get it in a good firing position, especially if stressed. This leaves me with just one X-wing to work with.

3) All-generic lists pose a problem for Stressbot- I'm generally causing as much harm to myself as to my opponent. Since I'm not passing out stress, the Y-wing will under perform relative to a version without the title.

 Azreal13 wrote:


30 points

Jake Farrell
A-Wing Test Pilot (0)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Autothrusters (2)
Push the Limit (3)
Chaardan Refit (-2)

Jake is only 28 points thanks to the Refit. So, either keep Jake "From Statefarm" Farrell for the 2 point initiative bid or upgrade to Tycho for a second PS10.

Yes mate, just a legacy of cut and pastes.

Could you just forego the stressbot and use a generic r2? It would help with placement.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
3) All-generic lists pose a problem for Stressbot- I'm generally causing as much harm to myself as to my opponent.

Stressbot is great against generics. It shuts down their actions (which hurts pretty much any ship more than it hurts a y-wing) and cripples their maneuverability. And it does this against two different targets if you can get them in arc. Stress a pair of ships and they aren't k-turning with the rest of your opponent's formation, breaking up their concentrated fire and making it a lot easier for your aces to survive.

Iv'e tried swapping r2 with r5 on Poe and Ello. Much of a muchness really. You find yourself taking focus on Poe most of the time anyway, and, while it does allow Ello to regen even while T-rolling, you often find the boost or TL to be (obviously) superior compared to a Focus you don't want to use