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Just an element of curiosity for me. Can they have kids?

Also, did any of the primarchs have wives / children? Or is GW trying to convince us that supermen living amongst humans didn't take wives?

Space Marines are completely sterile, IIRC. Pretty sure the Salamanders would be the only ones to take wives, though.

I don't know about Primarchs.

Hypothetically nothing should stop them from successfully siring children. None of the modifications should cause their sperm to have corkscrew tails, the main issue is that they have absolutely no interest in sexual relations at all. And no, the Primarchs took no wives because like their genetic sons, they also have zero interest in women or men. Godlings care not for the affairs of mortals, they're all aesexual.

And why the hell is Space Marine sexuality such a damned common topic?


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 LethalShade wrote:
Space Marines are completely sterile, IIRC. Pretty sure the Salamanders would be the only ones to take wives, though.

I don't know about Primarchs.

We don't know that they're sterile, we just know they have no interest at all in sexual relations.

Although anything is possible with Slaanesh. But they tend to get more of a sexualized high from mutilating people looking at Talon of Horus.

 Wyzilla wrote:


Hypothetically nothing should stop them from successfully siring children. None of the modifications should cause their sperm to have corkscrew tails, the main issue is that they have absolutely no interest in sexual relations at all. And no, the Primarchs took no wives because like their genetic sons, they also have zero interest in women or men. Godlings care not for the affairs of mortals, they're all aesexual.

And why the hell is Space Marine sexuality such a damned common topic?

Well, it would be interesting to have a lost chapter becoming an independent superhuman society with women and children. I don't really care about Space Marine sexuality, but about its implications.

 LethalShade wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:


Hypothetically nothing should stop them from successfully siring children. None of the modifications should cause their sperm to have corkscrew tails, the main issue is that they have absolutely no interest in sexual relations at all. And no, the Primarchs took no wives because like their genetic sons, they also have zero interest in women or men. Godlings care not for the affairs of mortals, they're all aesexual.

And why the hell is Space Marine sexuality such a damned common topic?

Well, it would be interesting to have a lost chapter becoming an independent superhuman society with women and children. I don't really about Space Marine sexuality, but about its implications.

More likely something results like the origin of Archaon from WHF when a Slaaneshi Warband decides to take some pleasure slaves from a world. Would be an interesting character to think of it.

I think you wouldn't obtain something even remotely superhuman from a space marine's offspring, as he cannot sexually transmit the gene-seed and organs that make him superhuman.

 LethalShade wrote:
Pretty sure the Salamanders would be the only ones to take wives, though.

IIRC the Salamanders don't - when the fluff talks about them keeping in contact with their families it means their parents and siblings, and later the children of their siblings.

Primarchs? Who knows. One would think warrior dudes rising to lead their worlds were also expected to keep consorts because they're so manly, but if any bothered it's now knowledge long lost in history. Leman Russ would surely have kept not one wife but a harem if he cared to do so.

I think it does say or imply that they are incapable of reproduction somewhere but, It's not very clear though.
GW always avoids stuff like that.
I think its for the best; it would be like a great dane mounting a chihuahua

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I think its for the best; it would be like a great dane mounting a chihuahua

Well, the Emperor had biological sons.

 LethalShade wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I think its for the best; it would be like a great dane mounting a chihuahua

Well, the Emperor had biological sons.

He's a human who can supposedly change his appearance and size at will though.
I'm pretty sure the primarchs are always huge.

Except Magnus (and Lorgar, I think).

 LethalShade wrote:
Except Magnus (and Lorgar, I think).

Magnus is described as being a giant, and Lorgar is still bigger than a human.
I think Alpharius was described as the smallest of the primarchs, capable of impersonating a space marine.
Space Marines are still bigger than a human though.

Magnus could change his own size.

Oh could he as well?
I suppose he could with biomancy.
So as least one primarch and the Emperor is physically capable.

In one of the books (cant remeber which) someone shows up claiming to be the child of a spacemarine and no one immediatly dismisses them. So it seems possible although uncommon.

taurising wrote:
In one of the books (cant remeber which) someone shows up claiming to be the child of a spacemarine and no one immediatly dismisses them. So it seems possible although uncommon.

Blenner was a lying bastard, and Gaunt probably didn't know whether Space Marines could reproduce at that age.

Look up the Daemonculaba. It answers everything.

I've always wondered how those that get popped out of it get the Black Carapace though.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 LethalShade wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I think its for the best; it would be like a great dane mounting a chihuahua

Well, the Emperor had biological sons.

He's a human who can supposedly change his appearance and size at will though.
I'm pretty sure the primarchs are always huge.

Alpharius and Omegon were smaller than the First captain of the Alpha legion. Alpharius is only Bulky on the tabletop vs Very bulky or Extremely bulky like the other Primarches

Gene Seed....

Except it goes into men.


That's how the Emperor has children. Still wan't to be a Space Marine now?

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 LethalShade wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I think its for the best; it would be like a great dane mounting a chihuahua

Well, the Emperor had biological sons.

He's a human who can supposedly change his appearance and size at will though.
I'm pretty sure the primarchs are always huge.

Alpharius and Omegon were smaller than the First captain of the Alpha legion. Alpharius is only Bulky on the tabletop vs Very bulky or Extremely bulky like the other Primarches

Nope Guiliman is also Bulky IIRC, same for Lorgar, Fulgrim and others.
And I think I also remember that Alphomegon are taller than the first captain who is also smaller than the second captain. The one closest in size is actually the Captain of the Lernaean Terminator Elite Squads, who often played the role of Omegon, and even until his death.

From the wikia (and indirectly, from Legion) :
- Ingo Pech - First Captain of the Alpha Legion during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy era, Ingo Pech, like the majority of the Legionaries within the Alpha Legion, possessed strong physical similarities to his Primarch Alpharius, with a shaved head and gold-flecked brown eyes. Though he was physically smaller than some of the other Legionaries, he was quite strong.
- Sheed Ranko - Sheed Ranko was the master of the Alpha Legion's Lernaean Terminator Squads during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy eras, and was an especially large Astartes, who doubled well for both Omegon and Lord Alpharius in diplomatic circumstances.

 nullBolt wrote:
Just an element of curiosity for me. Can they have kids?

Also, did any of the primarchs have wives / children? Or is GW trying to convince us that supermen living amongst humans didn't take wives?

The idea of the primarchs was to fix one of the problems with human society. Any time there is a luminary person like Einsten, Da Vinci, Mandela, Bismarck, etcetera, they are limited by getting old, dying, alcoholism, vanity, arguments with their peers, being in the wrong country or under the wrong government. The primarchs were probably made so that any time a genius like this emerged, there would be a Primarch who could absorb and sustain their intellectual legacies, without being distracted by physical infirmities or personal problems.

Obviously then they were scattered and the Emperor had to forget building a great society organically, make space marines and start a crusade just to weld humanity together

Engrenages wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 LethalShade wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I think its for the best; it would be like a great dane mounting a chihuahua

Well, the Emperor had biological sons.

He's a human who can supposedly change his appearance and size at will though.
I'm pretty sure the primarchs are always huge.

Alpharius and Omegon were smaller than the First captain of the Alpha legion. Alpharius is only Bulky on the tabletop vs Very bulky or Extremely bulky like the other Primarches

Nope Guiliman is also Bulky IIRC, same for Lorgar, Fulgrim and others.
And I think I also remember that Alphomegon are taller than the first captain who is also smaller than the second captain. The one closest in size is actually the Captain of the Lernaean Terminator Elite Squads, who often played the role of Omegon, and even until his death.

From the wikia (and indirectly, from Legion) :
- Ingo Pech - First Captain of the Alpha Legion during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy era, Ingo Pech, like the majority of the Legionaries within the Alpha Legion, possessed strong physical similarities to his Primarch Alpharius, with a shaved head and gold-flecked brown eyes. Though he was physically smaller than some of the other Legionaries, he was quite strong.
- Sheed Ranko - Sheed Ranko was the master of the Alpha Legion's Lernaean Terminator Squads during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy eras, and was an especially large Astartes, who doubled well for both Omegon and Lord Alpharius in diplomatic circumstances.

And you are correct. I checked one of my HH black books and Dorn and Corax were both Bulky...

 Wulfmar wrote:
Gene Seed....

Except it goes into men.


That's how the Emperor has children. Still wan't to be a Space Marine now?

Can't tell if trolling or serious...

 dusara217 wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
Gene Seed....

Except it goes into men.


That's how the Emperor has children. Still wan't to be a Space Marine now?

Can't tell if trolling or serious...

Definitely trolling - I'd personally ignore that Wulfmar fella.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 LethalShade wrote:
Except Magnus (and Lorgar, I think).

Magnus is described as being a giant, and Lorgar is still bigger than a human.
I think Alpharius was described as the smallest of the primarchs, capable of impersonating a space marine.

This is all New Fluff, and I'm not sure how it meshes with Old Fluff, but Alpharius used to be among the tallest of Primarchs, almost as tall as Horus, and the Marines of his Legion were all Unusually Tall.

I think that the Alpha Legion Marines are still unusually tall, and that Alpharius and Omegon are now somewhat on the shorter side for Primarchs, so now unusually tall Alpha Legion Marines are able to impersonate the Primarchs, sometimes.

Maybe!

I am pretty sure Leman Russ had plenty of bastards running around. It would just fit his character so much. I don't think there is any fluff suggesting Space Marines can have or not have children, so just leave it up to your own fan-fluff.

Alpharius was the tallest of all Primarchs, Omegon the shortest. Or maybe the other way around. Or maybe they were neither tall nor short, or both at the same time... It depends on who you ask
In any case, you should know because you are Alpharius. Or maybe Omegon. Or neither. Or both.

 LethalShade wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I think its for the best; it would be like a great dane mounting a chihuahua

Well, the Emperor had biological sons.

The Emperor can change his form and appearance with a thought.

However, none of the systems that makes a Space Marine a Space Marine are passed through their genetics. These are all implanted organs. At the most, assuming that Space Marines can reproduce, you'd get big, heavy children.

In the old fluff Jaghatai Khan had a number of children, and if IIRC there was mention in the Space Hulk Deathwing story that one of the marines had direct descendants (probably from before he becomes a marine).

Wyzilla wrote:

And why the hell is Space Marine sexuality such a damned common topic?

Because you can't have superman fantasies without making sure you can still achieve standard male success by being a total stud, I guess?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:I think it does say or imply that they are incapable of reproduction somewhere but, It's not very clear though.
GW always avoids stuff like that.
I think its for the best; it would be like a great dane mounting a chihuahua

So?

New Fluff has Alpha Marines as kinda taller than many marines and their primarch a bit on the smaller side. Lets them role play as him a bit easier.