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I leave sisters out because yes, obviously, but we all know they're not on the schedule. Same with stuff like Militarum Tempestus and Inquisition we probably won't ever see new stuff for.

The contenders:

-Orks. Winners of the "Worf Effect" award, this codex saw everything that was good that Ork players could possibly do to win games creatively absolutely butchered in favor of "buy 1,000,000$ worth of boyz, Battlewagons, or Meganobz." The codex also saw the deletion of two special characters.

-Dark Eldar. Wins the "Bland White Toast With Low Sodium Saltines On Top" award. The codex has a grant total of five unique special rules in it. Two of them are variants on "dodge." Lost five special characters including their overall faction leader-much like if Marneus Calgar got deleted out of the SM Dex. Let out into the sun for a single glorious moment in 5th, DE have once again been unceremoniously dumped.

-Chaos Marines. "YES! GIVE ME THE POWER, I SUBMIT TO THE DARK SIDE!! I FEEL-I FEEEL...worse in every way. What the feth?" "Sorry. Here's your horns and spikes, please leave any good wargear options at the front gate to the warp." Currently repping as Loyalist Marines -100000, the current state of CSM drives approximately 75% of Forgeworld's Horus Heresy revenue.

-Imperial Guard. Winner of the "has rules, but they make no sense/are terrible/both" award. Come on down for today's special on tanks that pay for weapons that snap fire all the time and an elites section that's in a constant mortal struggle over who's the worst unit in the codex.

-Tyranids. Codex: Flying Hive Tyrant With Twin Linked Devourer And Electroshock Grubs. It's a constant struggle to see how many of those you can fit in any given list for the smallest amount of anything else.

-Blood Angels. Other than Crazy Sanguinius' Discount Drop Pod Warehouse, nobody's seen the old angles of blood anywhere since fifth. Unlike other codexes, they have special characters and flavor...it's just that it's all bad. Is that worse or better? You decide.

You making me choose between Tyranids and Chaos.

You evil evil man.

Chaos Marines deserve it the most hands down.

Not only is are play style still firmly stuck in 3rd edition neutral, but our model line is the most neglected outside of the non-existent SoB!
Outside of the Raptor/Warptalon kit, none of our non-vehicle kits contain even 50% of the possible upgrades our units can even take...

Without a complete overhaul of our entire model line, we also have 0 hope of getting any new toys.

At this point, we're so ancient that we need a DE level re-boot.

That's easy. CSM.


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That's easy. CSM.

That's easy for you to say, twice.
I've voted nids just because they've got so many supplements and extra material that really all needs to be in the same book to make them effective.

Guard or Nids, they're still rocking 5th edition Codecies. Although all five deserve some lovin'.

CSM should get it first but I would like to see dark eldar to get one soon.

Dark Eldar need it desperately. There are fans working on a custom codex for them on the dark city. It is 110% dire need of an update. Chaos also really needs it a lot as well.

Just take the 5th edition codex and give it a better warlord table and were good. So many good 5th edition books got hosed by GW in early 7th.

This is a tough one, but I voted Chaos as they're still rocking a 6th edition codex.

Female relatives of war.

Why csm, in the time my IG got one new codex they got 4 new ones or 5 if one counts demons.

Chaos is a full two years older and Guard got a mini update in the last Tau campaign book. Additionally, you range is mostly modern and plastic. Chaos marines need a DE style reboot of nearly the whole line.

I'm actually going to say Blood Angels. They need to be updated to current Space Marine crap BADLY. Dreads, Scouts, Squadrons, all sorts of things that would be the easiest thing in the world to fix. Chaos requires effort, and my Tyranids are also up there for having a host of options not in the codex itself that really should be.

List for me is Blood Angels, Tyranids and then Chaos. And BA and Tyranids could do with just a major FAQ level release. No fanfare, just the two books released on the same day for updates only.

the_scotsman wrote:
I leave sisters out because yes, obviously, but we all know they're not on the schedule. Same with stuff like Militarum Tempestus and Inquisition we probably won't ever see new stuff for.

The contenders:

-Orks. Winners of the "Worf Effect" award, this codex saw everything that was good that Ork players could possibly do to win games creatively absolutely butchered in favor of "buy 1,000,000$ worth of boyz, Battlewagons, or Meganobz." The codex also saw the deletion of two special characters.

-Dark Eldar. Wins the "Bland White Toast With Low Sodium Saltines On Top" award. The codex has a grant total of five unique special rules in it. Two of them are variants on "dodge." Lost five special characters including their overall faction leader-much like if Marneus Calgar got deleted out of the SM Dex. Let out into the sun for a single glorious moment in 5th, DE have once again been unceremoniously dumped.

-Chaos Marines. "YES! GIVE ME THE POWER, I SUBMIT TO THE DARK SIDE!! I FEEL-I FEEEL...worse in every way. What the feth?" "Sorry. Here's your horns and spikes, please leave any good wargear options at the front gate to the warp." Currently repping as Loyalist Marines -100000, the current state of CSM drives approximately 75% of Forgeworld's Horus Heresy revenue.

-Imperial Guard. Winner of the "has rules, but they make no sense/are terrible/both" award. Come on down for today's special on tanks that pay for weapons that snap fire all the time and an elites section that's in a constant mortal struggle over who's the worst unit in the codex.

-Tyranids. Codex: Flying Hive Tyrant With Twin Linked Devourer And Electroshock Grubs. It's a constant struggle to see how many of those you can fit in any given list for the smallest amount of anything else.

-Blood Angels. Other than Crazy Sanguinius' Discount Drop Pod Warehouse, nobody's seen the old angles of blood anywhere since fifth. Unlike other codexes, they have special characters and flavor...it's just that it's all bad. Is that worse or better? You decide.

Why do dark eldar rank? They got their once every 20 years update, they have plastic models. It's frankly more than an army that can be summed up as 'torture sex, lol' deserves.

Dark eldar are so much more than that if you've actually read the book. They are one of the most interesting armies in the game both aesthetically and thematically. Their a culture that fell so hard that they tore a whole in reality and doubled down on that behavior. That said the scheming, the raiding, the technology and the intrigue are some of the coolest stuff GW has put forward. I'm primarily a marine player but the 5th editon codex blew most of what GW has put out about marines out of the water.

I would say CSM, but GW will just give them equally terrible rules in the new codex.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Dark eldar are so much more than that if you've actually read the book. They are one of the most interesting armies in the game both aesthetically and thematically. Their a culture that fell so hard that they tore a whole in reality and doubled down on that behavior. That said the scheming, the raiding, the technology and the intrigue are some of the coolest stuff GW has put forward. I'm primarily a marine player but the 5th editon codex blew most of what GW has put out about marines out of the water.

Aesthetically they wanna be space pirates, cool. Lugft Huron does it better. They wanna be sleek and svelt, cool, base eldar do it better. They wanna be grotesque and deranged, sweet, chaos does it better. They don't have that unique an identity in the 40k because everything they do someone else does only in a more interesting way.

Tau, straight up Bull $hit

Well, let's approach this question from a different angle, shall we? What if instead of looking at it from which needs it, we look it at from which of these needs it the least?

Orks: I don't like them personally, but I also like them in a weird way, as in I think their lore and models are cool, but I just don't like the vibe. That being said, from what I understand they have some viable options in bike and tide lists, additionally they just got a buff in the ITC with the cheaper Stompa. They could probably use an update to make their mech stuff more useful, as I like the Killakans and such, but they aren't exactly in the worst place ever.

CSM: I hear a lot of dire things about these guys, but the issue is that CSM is part of a greater whole and they still have KDK which is pretty viable, not to mention the rumours that Tzeench is coming out soon too. Granted, I was a CSM player a decade ago when I last played the game truly, and I have a soft spot for how awesome their army is. Though I think they are still ok enough with KDK as an option to be given enough time while other projects are worked on, though it would be good if they got something, even if it was a mini-codex update style of thing.

BA: This is the CSM issue made that much wider, the BA armies in theory can be used as SM armies, and they have so many options as is. In a perfect world they'd be updated, but players can still field a BA army using things from other SM chapters, so I feel as if they need it the least, though I fully understand the the frustration people might have that want to play this legion specifically.

Dark Eldar: Probably my top vote, they seem the same as they were a decade ago, with very few options and the new units that look very unique being mostly unplayable for the majority of people. I guess at least Taloses are more efficient now with the Corpse Thief Claw formation, but yea, I considered playing these guys a decade ago, and I considered playing them when I came back to the game recently, and in both cases they seemed about the same :/.

IG: Probably as deserving as the Dark Eldar for an update, they are reasonably as unique as the DE, and even with their other codices they don't really cut it. I guess they got some new stuff in the Mont'ka but from what I hear it wasn't quite that good, so yea, I'd be happy to see them get something.

Nids: They're close, but they still have Flyrant options and I've heard some people have had some success with the Endless Swarm thing. Mawlocs are also reasonably decent. Honestly, if it wasn't the dire state of DE and IG, I'd say they should get it, but they probably feel just a tiny bit better than those two. I think what they really need is an update to make their big ground pounder bugs viable, which can be done via formations or a mini-dex as opposed to a full on codex, but I can see the need for a full codex also.

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In short, I think the DE and IG are most deserving of a new codex, but the Nids aren't far behind. The BAs might be deserving too, but they have enough options thanks to being SM models that they can probably find something, and the same goes for CSM. Orks are probably the most ok, though they have a lot of things that could be fixed.

Out of all of these, I'd say that Blood Angels and CSM are the most deserving, simply due to the fact that they are so underpowered.

CSM needs updating to combine it with daemons again. And of course add in legions, proper cult/mono god armies, and legions.

Add in the FW kits, and redo the plastic kits and it would be a good time to be a CSM player... at last

CSM, DA, and (because I'm contractually obliged to complain about them at least once a week ) Black Tepmlars.

I think GW should first post FAQ to all loyalist Dreadnought to bring them in line with codex SM. So does Scouts

Militarum Tempestus or Harlequins

I think DE are most in need of getting a second 7th edition book. But, I don't know if they should get one before armies like CSM, IG or nids, who haven't had a first 7th edition book yet.

Anyway, the main reason I'd suggest DE is that they were already struggling badly at the beginning of 7th, yet their codex was actually a step backwards. GW basically ripped several pages out of the old book, and charged DE players £30 for the privilege.

 vipoid wrote:
I think DE are most in need of getting a second 7th edition book. But, I don't know if they should get one before armies like CSM, IG or nids, who haven't had a first 7th edition book yet.

Anyway, the main reason I'd suggest DE is that they were already struggling badly at the beginning of 7th, yet their codex was actually a step backwards. GW basically ripped several pages out of the old book, and charged DE players £30 for the privilege.

Given how often I win with DE, it makes me wonder what other people are doing wrong for their to be so much hate for the current dex.

 Imateria wrote:

Given how often I win with DE, it makes me wonder what other people are doing wrong for their to be so much hate for the current dex.

Given how outclassed they are, it makes me wonder how incompetent your opponents must be.

I'm sorry, but Chaos Marines are the only real answer here if you're being honest with yourself...

They're currently the oldest printed codex in the game, and the 6th ed codex fixed none of the issues the army has. At the end of the day, they're still stuck as being an over costed assault army that has no viable delivery system, lacks any form of sustained mid-strength + medium to high rate of fire ranged support, has limited durability, and is full of mediocre units that typically tend to all try and do the same thing.

They're the only army that has received exactly 0 new weapon upgrade options since 3rd edition.
While Loyalists have seen the return of things like Hand/Heavy flamers, and new options such as Grav, Chaos has instead been firmly stuck with Plasma guns & Autocannons for over 18 years.
Chaos Marines have the smallest armoury in the game, which is a slap in the face considering that they really should have the largest, chalk full of daemonic gifts, wargear, daemon weapons, mutations, etc...

The entire model line is in need of a massive overhaul.
Half the non-vehicle options are still ***** Fineco$t kits. Entire units are still missing an actual kit! And of the kits that do exist, they're generally half-baked piles of crap that are missing 50% or more of the squad's basic options. Only the Raptors/Warptalon kit & Termie Lord/Sorc are currently viable. Every other kit - especially the basic Chaos Marines & Terminators - needs a proper modern kit that at least allows for the basic options to be built.
Just how bad is the Chaos Marine model line? It doesn't even have a single plastic combi-weapon available... the Terminator kit cannot even build a basic, naked squad of combi-bolters + power toys! The only plastic heavy weapon available is a ing Heavy bolter!


Everyone else waiting for an update, BA, IG, DE, 'Nids... They all at least have a fully viable model line, that's almost entirely composed of modernised plastic kits. Chaos doesn't even that!

IG. I am sorry Chaos players and I know that your model line is ancient and your crapdex is terrible but as a long time IG player I have to say that we really need some love.
All but one of our units are overpriced and underpowered and we struggle to stand up to almost everything in a fight.